12:11 p.m.
How do I report these? I get about one a day, typically while in Firefox
and doing something else. The machine locks up tight (flashing num and
scroll locks) and requires power cycling and nothing seems to get
logged. Abrt doesn't see it after restart.
--
Steve
10:32 a.m.
On 12/13/2009 07:25 AM, Globe Trotter wrote:
--- On Sun, 12/13/09, Hiisi<very-cool(a)rambler.ru> wrote:
> From: Hiisi<very-cool(a)rambler.ru>
> Subject: Re: Daily Kernel Panics
> To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using
Fedora."<fedora-list(a)redhat.com>
> Date: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 2:34 AM
> 2009/12/12 Steven Stern<subscribed-lists(a)sterndata.com>:
>> On 12/11/2009 03:45 PM, Hiisi wrote:
>>>
>>> 2009/12/11 Steven Stern<subscribed-lists(a)sterndata.com>:
>>>>
>>>> How do I report these? I get about one a day,
> typically while in Firefox
>>>> and
>>>> doing something else. The machine locks up
> tight (flashing num and
>>>> scroll
>>>> locks) and requires power cycling and nothing
> seems to get logged. Abrt
>>>> doesn't see it after restart.
>>>>
>>>>
I have had this problem in the past with Fedora 9, I believe using ATI graphics cards. I
tracked it down to glxgears (posted to this group then) getting invoked and eliminated it
to get around this problem. Specifically, I did
yum erase glx-utils
This may not work for you because you may use glxgears for something but it did work for
me.
Best wishes,
T
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>
>>> The same here:
>>> Linux ***.** 2.6.30.9-102.fc11.i586 #1 SMP Thu Dec
> 3 23:46:37 EST 2009
>>> i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
>>> And yes, Firefox is not always involved. I've
> already asked the
>>> question on this list (haven't received any
> responses).
>>> How do you know it's kernel panic?
>>
>> When the machine locks up, the caps-lock and
> scroll-light both flash. What's
>> really annoying is that if I'm playing music, it gets
> really weird and
>> scares the cats.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Steve
>>
>
> Do you have desktop effects enabled? I found that my system
> is much
> more stable with desktop effects turned off [1]. My video
> is ATI [2]
> with driver 'ati' [3].
>
> Footmarks:
> 1. ~]$ uptime
> 10:27:28 up 3 days, 9:22, 3 users, load
> average: 0.25, 0.22, 0.18
> 2. ~]$ lspci
> [--SNIP--]
> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc
> RV350 AP [Radeon 9600]
> 01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AP
> [Radeon
> 9600] (Secondary)
> 3. ati - Vendor-supplied driver for ati cards
I do have an ATI card. I'll try turning off desktop effects. Removing
glx-utils removes all of compiz!
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV370 5B60
[Radeon X300 (PCIE)]
01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV370 [Radeon X300SE]
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11:10 a.m.
On 12/20/2009 10:44 AM, Hiisi wrote:
2009/12/20 Steven Stern <subscribed-lists(a)sterndata.com>:
> On 12/19/2009 10:29 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
>> Steven Stern wrote:
>>> On 12/13/2009 07:25 AM, Globe Trotter wrote:
>>
<--SNIP-->
>>>
>> Note that in the above example of a stable system, item 3. I have had
>> about equal numbers of people tell me that the vendor driver is vastly
>> more stable than the built-in driver, and totally the opposite.
>>
>> Oh, and some fundamentalist open source fanatics who tell me it's better
>> to crash a few times a day than use a closed source driver. ;-)
>>
>> The only "desktop effect" of interest to me is stability.
>>
>
> Agreed on your final point. Just for grins, I'm downloading and will
> try the Radeon X300 drivers directly from ATI with Compiz enabled.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Steve
'Directly from ATI' you will have to compile them manually. I think
it's better use rpm [1].
Just my 2 cents...
Links:
1. http://rpmfusion.org/RPMFusionSwitcher
I found that out. The ATI drivers don't like the current kernel. I'm
using rpmfusion (for the codecs), but I don't see any ATI drivers there.
--
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10:44 a.m.
2009/12/20 Steven Stern <subscribed-lists(a)sterndata.com>:
On 12/19/2009 10:29 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
> Steven Stern wrote:
>> On 12/13/2009 07:25 AM, Globe Trotter wrote:
>
<--SNIP-->
>>
> Note that in the above example of a stable system, item 3. I have had
> about equal numbers of people tell me that the vendor driver is vastly
> more stable than the built-in driver, and totally the opposite.
>
> Oh, and some fundamentalist open source fanatics who tell me it's better
> to crash a few times a day than use a closed source driver. ;-)
>
> The only "desktop effect" of interest to me is stability.
>
Agreed on your final point. Just for grins, I'm downloading and will
try the Radeon X300 drivers directly from ATI with Compiz enabled.
--
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'Directly from ATI' you will have to compile them manually. I think
it's better use rpm [1].
Just my 2 cents...
Links:
1. http://rpmfusion.org/RPMFusionSwitcher
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On 12/19/2009 10:29 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
Steven Stern wrote:
> On 12/13/2009 07:25 AM, Globe Trotter wrote:
>>> Do you have desktop effects enabled? I found that my system
>>> is much
>>> more stable with desktop effects turned off [1]. My video
>>> is ATI [2]
>>> with driver 'ati' [3].
>>>
>>> Footmarks:
>>> 1. ~]$ uptime
>>> 10:27:28 up 3 days, 9:22, 3 users, load
>>> average: 0.25, 0.22, 0.18
>>> 2. ~]$ lspci
>>> [--SNIP--]
>>> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc
>>> RV350 AP [Radeon 9600]
>>> 01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AP
>>> [Radeon
>>> 9600] (Secondary)
>>> 3. ati - Vendor-supplied driver for ati cards
>
>
> I do have an ATI card. I'll try turning off desktop effects. Removing
> glx-utils removes all of compiz!
>
> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV370 5B60
> [Radeon X300 (PCIE)]
> 01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV370 [Radeon X300SE]
>
Note that in the above example of a stable system, item 3. I have had
about equal numbers of people tell me that the vendor driver is vastly
more stable than the built-in driver, and totally the opposite.
Oh, and some fundamentalist open source fanatics who tell me it's better
to crash a few times a day than use a closed source driver. ;-)
The only "desktop effect" of interest to me is stability.
Agreed on your final point. Just for grins, I'm downloading and will
try the Radeon X300 drivers directly from ATI with Compiz enabled.
--
Steve
10:29 p.m.
Steven Stern wrote:
On 12/13/2009 07:25 AM, Globe Trotter wrote:
>> Do you have desktop effects enabled? I found that my system
>> is much
>> more stable with desktop effects turned off [1]. My video
>> is ATI [2]
>> with driver 'ati' [3].
>>
>> Footmarks:
>> 1. ~]$ uptime
>> 10:27:28 up 3 days, 9:22, 3 users, load
>> average: 0.25, 0.22, 0.18
>> 2. ~]$ lspci
>> [--SNIP--]
>> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc
>> RV350 AP [Radeon 9600]
>> 01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AP
>> [Radeon
>> 9600] (Secondary)
>> 3. ati - Vendor-supplied driver for ati cards
I do have an ATI card. I'll try turning off desktop effects. Removing
glx-utils removes all of compiz!
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV370 5B60
[Radeon X300 (PCIE)]
01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV370 [Radeon X300SE]
Note that in the above example of a stable system, item 3. I have had about
equal numbers of people tell me that the vendor driver is vastly more stable
than the built-in driver, and totally the opposite.
Oh, and some fundamentalist open source fanatics who tell me it's better to
crash a few times a day than use a closed source driver. ;-)
The only "desktop effect" of interest to me is stability.
--
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the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot
7:33 a.m.
On 12/13/2009 10:32 AM, Steven Stern wrote:
On 12/13/2009 07:25 AM, Globe Trotter wrote:
> --- On Sun, 12/13/09, Hiisi<very-cool(a)rambler.ru> wrote:
>
>> From: Hiisi<very-cool(a)rambler.ru>
>> Subject: Re: Daily Kernel Panics
>> To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using
>> Fedora."<fedora-list(a)redhat.com>
>> Date: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 2:34 AM
>> 2009/12/12 Steven Stern<subscribed-lists(a)sterndata.com>:
>>> On 12/11/2009 03:45 PM, Hiisi wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 2009/12/11 Steven Stern<subscribed-lists(a)sterndata.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>> How do I report these? I get about one a day,
>> typically while in Firefox
>>>>> and
>>>>> doing something else. The machine locks up
>> tight (flashing num and
>>>>> scroll
>>>>> locks) and requires power cycling and nothing
>> seems to get logged. Abrt
>>>>> doesn't see it after restart.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>
> I have had this problem in the past with Fedora 9, I believe using ATI
> graphics cards. I tracked it down to glxgears (posted to this group
> then) getting invoked and eliminated it to get around this problem.
> Specifically, I did
>
> yum erase glx-utils
>
> This may not work for you because you may use glxgears for something
> but it did work for me.
>
> Best wishes,
> T
>
>
>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The same here:
>>>> Linux ***.** 2.6.30.9-102.fc11.i586 #1 SMP Thu Dec
>> 3 23:46:37 EST 2009
>>>> i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
>>>> And yes, Firefox is not always involved. I've
>> already asked the
>>>> question on this list (haven't received any
>> responses).
>>>> How do you know it's kernel panic?
>>>
>>> When the machine locks up, the caps-lock and
>> scroll-light both flash. What's
>>> really annoying is that if I'm playing music, it gets
>> really weird and
>>> scares the cats.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>
>> Do you have desktop effects enabled? I found that my system
>> is much
>> more stable with desktop effects turned off [1]. My video
>> is ATI [2]
>> with driver 'ati' [3].
>>
>> Footmarks:
>> 1. ~]$ uptime
>> 10:27:28 up 3 days, 9:22, 3 users, load
>> average: 0.25, 0.22, 0.18
>> 2. ~]$ lspci
>> [--SNIP--]
>> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc
>> RV350 AP [Radeon 9600]
>> 01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AP
>> [Radeon
>> 9600] (Secondary)
>> 3. ati - Vendor-supplied driver for ati cards
I do have an ATI card. I'll try turning off desktop effects. Removing
glx-utils removes all of compiz!
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV370 5B60
[Radeon X300 (PCIE)]
01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV370 [Radeon X300SE]
Just for the record. Since I've turned off desktop effects, the
frequent crashes are gone.
--
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7:57 a.m.
2009/12/18 Steven Stern <subscribed-lists(a)sterndata.com>
On 12/13/2009 10:32 AM, Steven Stern wrote:
<--SNIP-->
>>
>> I have had this problem in the past with Fedora 9, I believe using ATI
>> graphics cards. I tracked it down to glxgears (posted to this group
>> then) getting invoked and eliminated it to get around this problem.
>> Specifically, I did
>>
>> yum erase glx-utils
>>
>> This may not work for you because you may use glxgears for something
>> but it did work for me.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> T
<--SNIP-->
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>
>>> Do you have desktop effects enabled? I found that my system
>>> is much
>>> more stable with desktop effects turned off [1]. My video
<--SNIP-->
>
Just for the record. Since I've turned off desktop effects, the frequent crashes
are gone.
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Since I've yumerased glx-utils the problem has gone at all. Now my
system is stable like a Linux ;-)
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10:38 a.m.
2009/12/13 Steven Stern <subscribed-lists(a)sterndata.com>:
On 12/13/2009 07:25 AM, Globe Trotter wrote:
>
> --- On Sun, 12/13/09, Hiisi<very-cool(a)rambler.ru> wrote:
>
<--SNIP-->
>
> I have had this problem in the past with Fedora 9, I believe using ATI
> graphics cards. I tracked it down to glxgears (posted to this group then)
> getting invoked and eliminated it to get around this problem. Specifically,
> I did
>
> yum erase glx-utils
>
> This may not work for you because you may use glxgears for something but
> it did work for me.
>
> Best wishes,
> T
>
<--SNIP-->
I do have an ATI card. I'll try turning off desktop effects. Removing
glx-utils removes all of compiz!
Yes! And I can live without it and without emerald themes. So, I did
'yum erase glx-utils'...
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1:34 a.m.
2009/12/12 Steven Stern <subscribed-lists(a)sterndata.com>:
On 12/11/2009 03:45 PM, Hiisi wrote:
>
> 2009/12/11 Steven Stern<subscribed-lists(a)sterndata.com>:
>>
>> How do I report these? I get about one a day, typically while in Firefox
>> and
>> doing something else. The machine locks up tight (flashing num and
>> scroll
>> locks) and requires power cycling and nothing seems to get logged. Abrt
>> doesn't see it after restart.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Steve
>>
>
> The same here:
> Linux ***.** 2.6.30.9-102.fc11.i586 #1 SMP Thu Dec 3 23:46:37 EST 2009
> i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
> And yes, Firefox is not always involved. I've already asked the
> question on this list (haven't received any responses).
> How do you know it's kernel panic?
When the machine locks up, the caps-lock and scroll-light both flash. What's
really annoying is that if I'm playing music, it gets really weird and
scares the cats.
--
Steve
Do you have desktop effects enabled? I found that my system is much
more stable with desktop effects turned off [1]. My video is ATI [2]
with driver 'ati' [3].
Footmarks:
1. ~]$ uptime
10:27:28 up 3 days, 9:22, 3 users, load average: 0.25, 0.22, 0.18
2. ~]$ lspci
[--SNIP--]
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AP [Radeon 9600]
01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AP [Radeon
9600] (Secondary)
3. ati - Vendor-supplied driver for ati cards
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New subject: Mobile Broadband in Qatar
Hi,
On 01/-9/-28163 01:29 AM, LifeOverFiber wrote:
Hello all,
I am working in a project in Doha, QATAR and our company provided us 3G
connection with USB stick from QTEL(Qatar TELECOM).
When I connect my USB to my Fedora12 I go Network Manager-> Edit
Connection->Mobile Broadband->Add.
F12 detects the USB stick and when I forward it I can not see either
Qatar or Doha on the list.
Is there anyway around this problem?
Scroll to the top of the list where there is an option that says 'My country is
not listed', select that and move ahead. You would have to enter a provider name
and the connection information manually.
Also, file a bug against the mobile-broadband-provider-info package to include
your service provider's info.
cheers,
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6:05 a.m.
New subject: Mobile Broadband in Qatar
Hello all,
I am working in a project in Doha, QATAR and our company provided us 3G
connection with USB stick from QTEL(Qatar TELECOM).
When I connect my USB to my Fedora12 I go Network Manager-> Edit
Connection->Mobile Broadband->Add.
F12 detects the USB stick and when I forward it I can not see either
Qatar or Doha on the list.
Is there anyway around this problem?
Thanks a lot
Erdal YAZICIOGLU
Shell Pearl GTL Project
Telecoms Field Engineering Manager
Doha - Qatar
5:51 p.m.
On 12/11/2009 03:45 PM, Hiisi wrote:
2009/12/11 Steven Stern<subscribed-lists(a)sterndata.com>:
> How do I report these? I get about one a day, typically while in Firefox and
> doing something else. The machine locks up tight (flashing num and scroll
> locks) and requires power cycling and nothing seems to get logged. Abrt
> doesn't see it after restart.
>
>
> --
>
> Steve
>
The same here:
Linux ***.** 2.6.30.9-102.fc11.i586 #1 SMP Thu Dec 3 23:46:37 EST 2009
i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
And yes, Firefox is not always involved. I've already asked the
question on this list (haven't received any responses).
How do you know it's kernel panic?
When the machine locks up, the caps-lock and scroll-light both flash.
What's really annoying is that if I'm playing music, it gets really
weird and scares the cats.
--
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3:45 p.m.
2009/12/11 Steven Stern <subscribed-lists(a)sterndata.com>:
How do I report these? I get about one a day, typically while in
Firefox and
doing something else. The machine locks up tight (flashing num and scroll
locks) and requires power cycling and nothing seems to get logged. Abrt
doesn't see it after restart.
--
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The same here:
Linux ***.** 2.6.30.9-102.fc11.i586 #1 SMP Thu Dec 3 23:46:37 EST 2009
i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
And yes, Firefox is not always involved. I've already asked the
question on this list (haven't received any responses).
How do you know it's kernel panic?
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3:34 p.m.
On 12/11/2009 12:51 PM, Frank Cox wrote:
On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 12:11 -0600, Steven Stern wrote:
> I get about one a day, typically while in Firefox
> and doing something else. The machine locks up tight (flashing num
> and
> scroll locks) and requires power cycling and nothing seems to get
> logged.
Remove your firefox plugins and extensions and see if the problem goes
away.
Firefox is not always involved. Thus, my question on how I find a log
or some real data and report it.
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12:51 p.m.
On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 12:11 -0600, Steven Stern wrote:
I get about one a day, typically while in Firefox
and doing something else. The machine locks up tight (flashing num
and
scroll locks) and requires power cycling and nothing seems to get
logged.
Remove your firefox plugins and extensions and see if the problem goes
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7:25 a.m.
--- On Sun, 12/13/09, Hiisi <very-cool(a)rambler.ru> wrote:
From: Hiisi <very-cool(a)rambler.ru>
Subject: Re: Daily Kernel Panics
To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora."
<fedora-list(a)redhat.com>
Date: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 2:34 AM
2009/12/12 Steven Stern <subscribed-lists(a)sterndata.com>:
> On 12/11/2009 03:45 PM, Hiisi wrote:
>>
>> 2009/12/11 Steven Stern<subscribed-lists(a)sterndata.com>:
>>>
>>> How do I report these? I get about one a day,
typically while in Firefox
>>> and
>>> doing something else. The machine locks up
tight (flashing num and
>>> scroll
>>> locks) and requires power cycling and nothing
seems to get logged. Abrt
>>> doesn't see it after restart.
>>>
>>>
I have had this problem in the past with Fedora 9, I believe using ATI graphics cards. I
tracked it down to glxgears (posted to this group then) getting invoked and eliminated it
to get around this problem. Specifically, I did
yum erase glx-utils
This may not work for you because you may use glxgears for something but it did work for
me.
Best wishes,
T
>>> --
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>
>> The same here:
>> Linux ***.** 2.6.30.9-102.fc11.i586 #1 SMP Thu Dec
3 23:46:37 EST 2009
>> i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
>> And yes, Firefox is not always involved. I've
already asked the
>> question on this list (haven't received any
responses).
>> How do you know it's kernel panic?
>
> When the machine locks up, the caps-lock and
scroll-light both flash. What's
> really annoying is that if I'm playing music, it gets
really weird and
> scares the cats.
>
> --
>
> Steve
>
Do you have desktop effects enabled? I found that my system
is much
more stable with desktop effects turned off [1]. My video
is ATI [2]
with driver 'ati' [3].
Footmarks:
1. ~]$ uptime
10:27:28 up 3 days, 9:22, 3 users, load
average: 0.25, 0.22, 0.18
2. ~]$ lspci
[--SNIP--]
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc
RV350 AP [Radeon 9600]
01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AP
[Radeon
9600] (Secondary)
3. ati - Vendor-supplied driver for ati cards
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