Mate desktop, login produces up to ten caja instances

[Fred Smith]

On F19 with Mate desktop, sometimes after login 8 or 9 or even 10 copies
of Caja (Mate File Manger) are started up.

Most of the time not, but perhaps once every day or two this will happen.
the rest of the time it's completely normal.

I found these /var/log/messages entries at around the right time, but I'm
not certain whether they are from login or the boot a small bit earlier:

Jul 19 19:23:56 aspirebox dbus-daemon[556]: dbus[556]: [system] Rejected send me
ssage, 2 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.52" (uid=1000 pid=1410 co
mm="caja -n ") interface="org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties" member="GetAll" error
 name="(unset)" requested_reply="0" destination=":1.12" (uid=0 pid=638 comm="/us
r/sbin/console-kit-daemon --no-daemon ")
Jul 19 19:23:56 aspirebox dbus[556]: [system] Rejected send message, 2 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.52" (uid=1000 pid=1410 comm="caja -n ") interface="org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties" member="GetAll" error name="(unset)" requested_reply="0" destination=":1.12" (uid=0 pid=638 comm="/usr/sbin/console-kit-daemon --no-daemon ")

Anybody got any clues?

thanks!

Fred

[Kevin Cummings]

On 07/19/2013 07:32 PM, Fred Smith wrote:
> On F19 with Mate desktop, sometimes after login 8 or 9 or even 10 copies
> of Caja (Mate File Manger) are started up.

Fred,
    I upgraded a test F17 system to F18 using fedora-upgrade, and it seemed
successful.  The next thing I did was to install MATE.  After that I
tried to upgrade from nouveau to NVIDIA drivers.  After that I logged in
using the MATE desktop, and saw the same as you are seeing.

I googled the issue and discovered that this has been a problem off and
on since F16, with various fixes and re-apperance of the problem.  The
last resolution of the problem was still in updates-testing on F18 last
I looked.
> Most of the time not, but perhaps once every day or two this will happen.
> the rest of the time it's completely normal.

IIRC, it happens after the first MATE session login after system
startup, though I was not able to limit it to that.  Once it started
happening for me, it continued to happen every time I logged out and
logged back in again.
> I found these /var/log/messages entries at around the right time, but I'm
> not certain whether they are from login or the boot a small bit earlier:
>
> Jul 19 19:23:56 aspirebox dbus-daemon[556]: dbus[556]: [system] Rejected send me
> ssage, 2 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.52" (uid=1000 pid=1410 co
> mm="caja -n ") interface="org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties" member="GetAll" error
>  name="(unset)" requested_reply="0" destination=":1.12" (uid=0 pid=638 comm="/us
> r/sbin/console-kit-daemon --no-daemon ")
> Jul 19 19:23:56 aspirebox dbus[556]: [system] Rejected send message, 2 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.52" (uid=1000 pid=1410 comm="caja -n ") interface="org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties" member="GetAll" error name="(unset)" requested_reply="0" destination=":1.12" (uid=0 pid=638 comm="/usr/sbin/console-kit-daemon --no-daemon ")
>
> Anybody got any clues?

Check out bugzilla 886029.  It has some information, but not a
definitive resolution, just yet....
> thanks!
>
> Fred

Was Mate desktop, ten caja instances. Now Nouveau

[Roger]

<snip>  After that I tried to upgrade from nouveau to NVIDIA drivers.
</snip>
Why?
I have used the nouveau drivers since Fedora 16 they work very well and 
it saved me a lot of heartache and time. I use mate on one system, Gnome 
on another and cinnamon on the desktop.
I do graphic intensive work and development at the same time.
  Cinnamon desktop is getting jerky when dragging windows when I have 
several open but apart from that I'm glad to stick with Nouveau and 
support the devs.
Roger

[Fred Smith]

On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 10:22:42PM -0400, Kevin J. Cummings wrote:
> On 07/19/2013 07:32 PM, Fred Smith wrote:
> > On F19 with Mate desktop, sometimes after login 8 or 9 or even 10 copies
> > of Caja (Mate File Manger) are started up.
>
> Fred,
>    I upgraded a test F17 system to F18 using fedora-upgrade, and it seemed
> successful.  The next thing I did was to install MATE.  After that I
> tried to upgrade from nouveau to NVIDIA drivers.  After that I logged in
> using the MATE desktop, and saw the same as you are seeing.
>
> I googled the issue and discovered that this has been a problem off and
> on since F16, with various fixes and re-apperance of the problem.  The
> last resolution of the problem was still in updates-testing on F18 last
> I looked.
> > Most of the time not, but perhaps once every day or two this will happen.
> > the rest of the time it's completely normal.
>
> IIRC, it happens after the first MATE session login after system
> startup, though I was not able to limit it to that.  Once it started
> happening for me, it continued to happen every time I logged out and
> logged back in again.

Nope, not for me. just now and then. I hate intermittent software problems! :)
> > I found these /var/log/messages entries at around the right time, but I'm
> > not certain whether they are from login or the boot a small bit earlier:
> >
> > Jul 19 19:23:56 aspirebox dbus-daemon[556]: dbus[556]: [system] Rejected send me
> > ssage, 2 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.52" (uid=1000 pid=1410 co
> > mm="caja -n ") interface="org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties" member="GetAll" error
> >  name="(unset)" requested_reply="0" destination=":1.12" (uid=0 pid=638 comm="/us
> > r/sbin/console-kit-daemon --no-daemon ")
> > Jul 19 19:23:56 aspirebox dbus[556]: [system] Rejected send message, 2 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.52" (uid=1000 pid=1410 comm="caja -n ") interface="org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties" member="GetAll" error name="(unset)" requested_reply="0" destination=":1.12" (uid=0 pid=638 comm="/usr/sbin/console-kit-daemon --no-daemon ")
> >
> > Anybody got any clues?
>
> Check out bugzilla 886029.  It has some information, but not a
> definitive resolution, just yet....

Thanks, Kevin, I'll do that.

How's the world treating you these days? I'm "semi-retired", i.e., I
voluntarily dropped from full-time to two days a week a little over
two years ago, once I got to where I could get full SS benefits--I
didn't want to take less than I could get by retiring early. I'm
enjoying the five-day weekends!

Fred

[Fred Smith]

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 10:29:30AM -0400, Fred Smith wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 10:22:42PM -0400, Kevin J. Cummings wrote:
> > On 07/19/2013 07:32 PM, Fred Smith wrote:
> > > On F19 with Mate desktop, sometimes after login 8 or 9 or even 10 copies
> > > of Caja (Mate File Manger) are started up.

Oops. My apologies for the personal note on the list. Nothing revealing,
but simply OT.

Fred
> > Fred,
> >    I upgraded a test F17 system to F18 using fedora-upgrade, and it seemed
> > successful.  The next thing I did was to install MATE.  After that I
> > tried to upgrade from nouveau to NVIDIA drivers.  After that I logged in
> > using the MATE desktop, and saw the same as you are seeing.
> >
> > I googled the issue and discovered that this has been a problem off and
> > on since F16, with various fixes and re-apperance of the problem.  The
> > last resolution of the problem was still in updates-testing on F18 last
> > I looked.
> > > Most of the time not, but perhaps once every day or two this will happen.
> > > the rest of the time it's completely normal.
> >
> > IIRC, it happens after the first MATE session login after system
> > startup, though I was not able to limit it to that.  Once it started
> > happening for me, it continued to happen every time I logged out and
> > logged back in again.
>
> Nope, not for me. just now and then. I hate intermittent software problems! :)
> > > I found these /var/log/messages entries at around the right time, but I'm
> > > not certain whether they are from login or the boot a small bit earlier:
> > >
> > > Jul 19 19:23:56 aspirebox dbus-daemon[556]: dbus[556]: [system] Rejected send me
> > > ssage, 2 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.52" (uid=1000 pid=1410 co
> > > mm="caja -n ") interface="org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties" member="GetAll" error
> > >  name="(unset)" requested_reply="0" destination=":1.12" (uid=0 pid=638 comm="/us
> > > r/sbin/console-kit-daemon --no-daemon ")
> > > Jul 19 19:23:56 aspirebox dbus[556]: [system] Rejected send message, 2 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.52" (uid=1000 pid=1410 comm="caja -n ") interface="org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties" member="GetAll" error name="(unset)" requested_reply="0" destination=":1.12" (uid=0 pid=638 comm="/usr/sbin/console-kit-daemon --no-daemon ")
> > >
> > > Anybody got any clues?
> >
> > Check out bugzilla 886029.  It has some information, but not a
> > definitive resolution, just yet....
>
> Thanks, Kevin, I'll do that.
>
> How's the world treating you these days? I'm "semi-retired", i.e., I
> voluntarily dropped from full-time to two days a week a little over
> two years ago, once I got to where I could get full SS benefits--I
> didn't want to take less than I could get by retiring early. I'm
> enjoying the five-day weekends!
> Fred
>
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Was Mate desktop, ten caja instances. Now Nouveau

[Kevin Cummings]

On 07/23/2013 11:03 PM, Roger wrote:
> <snip>  After that I tried to upgrade from nouveau to NVIDIA drivers.
>
> </snip>
> Why?

vdpau and XvMC

When nouveau support them, I'll reconsider.  Buts its been years now,
and still no support for them in nouveau.

Was Mate desktop, ten caja instances. Now Nouveau

[Marko Vojinovic]

On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 23:17:25 -0400
"Kevin J. Cummings"  wrote:
> vdpau and XvMC
>
> When nouveau support them, I'll reconsider.  Buts its been years now,
> and still no support for them in nouveau.

The development of XvMC and vdpau support is in progress right now ---
take a look at

http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix/

and specifically

http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/VideoAcceleration/

The latter site comments that at the moment closed-source firmware is
typically needed for modern hardware. While nouveau itself refuses to
include it (and I can imagine Fedora too), it can be obtained either
manually or if your particular Linux distro provides it as a package.
There is a single-entry list of distros that do so far: Archlinux.

Maybe a nice small project for a rpmfusion package?

HTH, :-)
Marko