9:16 a.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Green <jgreen(a)8x8.com>
Sent: Jan 28, 2005 1:15 PM
To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list(a)redhat.com>
Subject: Re: FC3 sucks. It takes up too much memory!
James McKenzie wrote:
akonstam(a)trinity.edu wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2005 at 01:59:43AM -0800, Mark Eggers wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 2005-01-26 at 22:49 -0800, John Wendel wrote:
>>
I don't disagree that some programs are memory hogs, but any release of
linux is mostly defined by what you run on top of it. If you like FC3,
but don't like the fact that the release of gnome packaged with it is a
memory hog, then you should be complaining to the developers of gnome.
likewise with eggcups.
just my 2 bits.
-----James' reply to Mr. Green's comments-----
I agree totally with your assessment. I found that Nautilus was using the MOST memory and
almost 38MB and I will look at what it does. If it is just a program to show me what
files exist on my system, that is a little high, but I don't know (but I can find out)
how much space explore.exe uses in Windows XP (it performs basically the same function, to
show you a nice background, lauch applications and show you your files.) And I like what
you are doing with your system.
As I said, I am a fan of LINUX and started with Caldera (cough, cough). I moved to RH 7.1
and switched to FC 1, 2 and 3 after my support ran out on the boxed set of RH9 that I
bought. I think that I need to trim my system but like you, I run on a less than optimum
system and unless I run a Java based torrent program, my memory usage hardly hits the swap
file. And yes, I've complained about the memory usage of the Java program.
James McKenzie
A Proud User of Linux!
5:30 p.m.
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James Mckenzie wrote:
I agree totally with your assessment. I found that Nautilus was using the MOST memory and
almost 38MB and I will look at what it does. If it is just a program to show me what
files exist on my system, that is a little high, but I don't know (but I can find out)
how much space explore.exe uses in Windows XP (it performs basically the same function, to
show you a nice background, lauch applications and show you your files.) And I like what
you are doing with your system.
As I said, I am a fan of LINUX and started with Caldera (cough, cough). I moved to RH 7.1
and switched to FC 1, 2 and 3 after my support ran out on the boxed set of RH9 that I
bought. I think that I need to trim my system but like you, I run on a less than optimum
system and unless I run a Java based torrent program, my memory usage hardly hits the swap
file. And yes, I've complained about the memory usage of the Java program.
James McKenzie
A Proud User of Linux!
What will it take for Sun to really look into their Linux (and Solaris
for that matter) JavaVM. Currently the best performing JavaVM is the one
for Microsoft systems and it is not even written by Sun!! (the Microsft
JavaVM)
9:29 a.m.
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Gain Paolo Mureddu wrote:
James Mckenzie wrote:
>
>
>
> James McKenzie
> A Proud User of Linux!
>
>
>
What will it take for Sun to really look into their Linux (and Solaris
for that matter) JavaVM. Currently the best performing JavaVM is the one
for Microsoft systems and it is not even written by Sun!! (the Microsft
JavaVM)
But it isn't to the Java Standard. MS lost the court battle over this
one.
--
Robin Laing
12:22 p.m.
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On Mon, 2005-01-31 at 08:29 -0700, Robin Laing wrote:
Gain Paolo Mureddu wrote:
> James Mckenzie wrote:
>> James McKenzie
>> A Proud User of Linux!
> What will it take for Sun to really look into their Linux (and Solaris
> for that matter) JavaVM. Currently the best performing JavaVM is the one
> for Microsoft systems and it is not even written by Sun!! (the Microsft
> JavaVM)
What do you men "best performing"?. speed?, quality?, features?, or
exactly what are you defining this as?
I don't use anything but the Sun VM so I can't compare. However, I am
very satisfied with what I get.
But it isn't to the Java Standard. MS lost the court battle over
this
one.
IIRC, not only did M$ lose the battle about code rights, they have
deviated greatly from the java standards. Thus any code written to use
their vm and it's features is likely to fail to function correctly on a
vm that complies with the standards.
The best bet is to use the JRE package from Sun and be certain that all
the code it runs is compliant with standards. Any java programs that do
not work with the Sun vm are likely not standards compliant.
3:44 p.m.
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Jeff Vian wrote:
On Mon, 2005-01-31 at 08:29 -0700, Robin Laing wrote:
>Gain Paolo Mureddu wrote:
>
>>James Mckenzie wrote:
>>
>>>James McKenzie
>>>A Proud User of Linux!
>>
>>What will it take for Sun to really look into their Linux (and Solaris
>>for that matter) JavaVM. Currently the best performing JavaVM is the one
>>for Microsoft systems and it is not even written by Sun!! (the Microsft
>>JavaVM)
What do you men "best performing"?. speed?, quality?, features?, or
exactly what are you defining this as?
I don't use anything but the Sun VM so I can't compare. However, I am
very satisfied with what I get.
>But it isn't to the Java Standard. MS lost the court battle over this
>one.
IIRC, not only did M$ lose the battle about code rights, they have
deviated greatly from the java standards. Thus any code written to use
their vm and it's features is likely to fail to function correctly on a
vm that complies with the standards.
The best bet is to use the JRE package from Sun and be certain that all
the code it runs is compliant with standards. Any java programs that do
not work with the Sun vm are likely not standards compliant.
As all those Web designers are starting to find out that based their
designs on the MS VM, now that it isn't being shipped with Windows. I
have come across a few sites that are this way.
--
Robin Laing
5:29 p.m.
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Jeff Vian wrote:
On Mon, 2005-01-31 at 08:29 -0700, Robin Laing wrote:
>Gain Paolo Mureddu wrote:
>
>
>>James Mckenzie wrote:
>>
>>
>>>James McKenzie
>>>A Proud User of Linux!
>>>
>>>
>>What will it take for Sun to really look into their Linux (and Solaris
>>for that matter) JavaVM. Currently the best performing JavaVM is the one
>>for Microsoft systems and it is not even written by Sun!! (the Microsft
>>JavaVM)
>>
>>
What do you men "best performing"?. speed?, quality?, features?, or
exactly what are you defining this as?
I don't use anything but the Sun VM so I can't compare. However, I am
very satisfied with what I get.
First of all, yes, not only speed wise, actually the speed difference
between the two is not THAT big, however MS VM uses for some reason hogs
much less the system, even if the program would run at about the same
speed in both VMs, the rest of the system would not slow down to a
crawl, and the memory usage... I mean, have you seen how much memory
will launching a Java application consume?? have you seen the amount of
shared memory all the Java processes have?? Those are HUGE amounts of
memory... I mean probably 80-100Mb are ok, but 400Mb?? That is way too
much in my book... And yes, my computer is Linux-only, but eventually I
have to use a WinXP machine, in which embedded applets while about as
fast as in Linux, the rest of the computer feels about the same as
always, plus the memory foot print is MUCH less (when loaded, the plguin
would increase at most 20Mb memory usage). Both systems with very
similar specs (actually my PC is slightly faster [AMD XP 2100 Vs 2200])
>But it isn't to the Java Standard. MS lost the court battle over this
>one.
>
>
IIRC, not only did M$ lose the battle about code rights, they have
deviated greatly from the java standards. Thus any code written to use
their vm and it's features is likely to fail to function correctly on a
vm that complies with the standards.
The best bet is to use the JRE package from Sun and be certain that all
the code it runs is compliant with standards. Any java programs that do
not work with the Sun vm are likely not standards compliant.
They may have lost the battle in court, and I'm happy for that. Really,
is just like I said, Sun should pay more attention to their VM
performance in Linux.
12:41 p.m.
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On Mon, 2005-01-31 at 08:29 -0700, Robin Laing wrote:
Gain Paolo Mureddu wrote:
> What will it take for Sun to really look into their Linux (and
Solaris
> for that matter) JavaVM. Currently the best performing JavaVM is the one
> for Microsoft systems and it is not even written by Sun!! (the Microsft
> JavaVM)
>
But it isn't to the Java Standard. MS lost the court battle over this
one.
Ah, but let's not forget the nearly-$100M paid by Sun to Kodak,
because, as we all know, Kodak is the world's foremost authority on
computer programming....they wrote Java, didn't they? :)
(I can't BELIEVE Sun just rolled over on this one and paid Kodak...)
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