auto-mounting removable drives

[Paul Allen Newell]

Hello:

I am running F19 xfce on a 32bit box (fully updated at the time of this 
test)

I have "Applications Menu -> Settings -> Removable Drives and Media" open

Under "Removable Storage":
     [checked] Mount removable drives when hot-plugged
     [checked] Mount removable drives when inserted
     [checked] Browse removable media when inserted
     [not checked] Auto-run programs on new drives and media
     [not checked] Auto-open files on new drives and media

Nothing else is checked on this or all the other tabs.

Whether I hot-plug a memory stick into the computer or plug it in before 
powering on, it never mounts the volume until I manually go to the icon 
on the desktop and tell it to "please go mount yourself"

Am I not understanding the options under "Settings -> Removable Storage"?

I first encountered this in F16 under xfce but figured I wasn't 
understanding something as I had just switched from F14 gnome where I 
could hot-plug

I have three Linux boxes and it doesn't auto mount on any of them, so I 
am not thinking it is a hardware problem to a particular machine.

This also happens with cd/dvd when inserted ... have to manually "please 
go mount yourself" (and, yes, the phraseology is intentional as I am 
rather frustrated by this)

Thanks in advance for any advice
Paul

[Dale Dellutri]

On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
> Hello:
>
> I am running F19 xfce on a 32bit box (fully updated at the time of this
> test)
>
> I have "Applications Menu -> Settings -> Removable Drives and Media" open
>
> Under "Removable Storage":
>     [checked] Mount removable drives when hot-plugged
>     [checked] Mount removable drives when inserted
>     [checked] Browse removable media when inserted
>     [not checked] Auto-run programs on new drives and media
>     [not checked] Auto-open files on new drives and media
>
> Nothing else is checked on this or all the other tabs.
>
> Whether I hot-plug a memory stick into the computer or plug it in before
> powering on, it never mounts the volume until I manually go to the icon on
> the desktop and tell it to "please go mount yourself"
>
> Am I not understanding the options under "Settings -> Removable Storage"?

This is an XFCE issue, not a fedora issue.  You probably should post this
question
on the XFCE general discussion list:
  https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce
> I first encountered this in F16 under xfce but figured I wasn't
> understanding something as I had just switched from F14 gnome where I could
> hot-plug
>
> I have three Linux boxes and it doesn't auto mount on any of them, so I am
> not thinking it is a hardware problem to a particular machine.
>
> This also happens with cd/dvd when inserted ... have to manually "please
> go mount yourself" (and, yes, the phraseology is intentional as I am rather
> frustrated by this)
>
> Thanks in advance for any advice
> Paul
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[poma]

On 09.12.2013 05:07, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
> Hello:
>
> I am running F19 xfce on a 32bit box (fully updated at the time of this 
> test)
>
> I have "Applications Menu -> Settings -> Removable Drives and Media" open
>
> Under "Removable Storage":
>      [checked] Mount removable drives when hot-plugged
>      [checked] Mount removable drives when inserted
>      [checked] Browse removable media when inserted
>      [not checked] Auto-run programs on new drives and media
>      [not checked] Auto-open files on new drives and media
>
> Nothing else is checked on this or all the other tabs.
>
> Whether I hot-plug a memory stick into the computer or plug it in before 
> powering on, it never mounts the volume until I manually go to the icon 
> on the desktop and tell it to "please go mount yourself"
>
> Am I not understanding the options under "Settings -> Removable Storage"?
>
> I first encountered this in F16 under xfce but figured I wasn't 
> understanding something as I had just switched from F14 gnome where I 
> could hot-plug
>
> I have three Linux boxes and it doesn't auto mount on any of them, so I 
> am not thinking it is a hardware problem to a particular machine.
>
> This also happens with cd/dvd when inserted ... have to manually "please 
> go mount yourself" (and, yes, the phraseology is intentional as I am 
> rather frustrated by this)
>
> Thanks in advance for any advice
> Paul

http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/thunar/preferences#advanced_preferences
- Volume Management
$ xfconf-query -c thunar -p /misc-volume-management
$ xfconf-query -c thunar -p /misc-volume-management -s true

poma

[Paul Allen Newell]

On 12/9/13 8:15 AM, poma wrote:
> On 09.12.2013 05:07, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
> > Hello:
> >
> > I am running F19 xfce on a 32bit box (fully updated at the time of this
> > test)
> >
> > I have "Applications Menu -> Settings -> Removable Drives and Media" open
> >
> > Under "Removable Storage":
> >       [checked] Mount removable drives when hot-plugged
> >       [checked] Mount removable drives when inserted
> >       [checked] Browse removable media when inserted
> >       [not checked] Auto-run programs on new drives and media
> >       [not checked] Auto-open files on new drives and media
> >
> > Nothing else is checked on this or all the other tabs.
> >
> > Whether I hot-plug a memory stick into the computer or plug it in before
> > powering on, it never mounts the volume until I manually go to the icon
> > on the desktop and tell it to "please go mount yourself"
> >
> > Am I not understanding the options under "Settings -> Removable Storage"?
> >
> > I first encountered this in F16 under xfce but figured I wasn't
> > understanding something as I had just switched from F14 gnome where I
> > could hot-plug
> >
> > I have three Linux boxes and it doesn't auto mount on any of them, so I
> > am not thinking it is a hardware problem to a particular machine.
> >
> > This also happens with cd/dvd when inserted ... have to manually "please
> > go mount yourself" (and, yes, the phraseology is intentional as I am
> > rather frustrated by this)
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any advice
> > Paul
>
> http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/thunar/preferences#advanced_preferences
> Volume Management
>
> $ xfconf-query -c thunar -p /misc-volume-management
> $ xfconf-query -c thunar -p /misc-volume-management -s true
>
> poma

Poma:

Thanks for reply.

Volume management is checked on as the link you provided shows

Running the command "xfconf-query -c thunar -p /misc-volume-management" 
returns the following:

Property "misc-volume-management" does not exist on channel "thunar".

The package thunar-volman is already installed on my machine (0.8.0-4.fc19).

The only other thing I can spot in your link is reference to HAL. When I 
hunt around to find out information, I come across the following on the 
xfce site for thunar-volman: " HAL is undergoing deprecation at the 
moment. All major distributions push for the removal of HAL in favor of 
DeviceKit-disks/udisk, DeviceKit-power/upower and udev" 
(http://wiki.xfce.org/dev/thunar-volman-udev). Everything I can see on 
this implies the transition as 2009 to 2010 range.

The other response from Dale suggested that I take it to the xfce 
general discussion site (which I intend to do after seeing if I get any 
more info here).

Any suggestions on what I should be looking for to better understand the 
problem?

Thanks,
Paul

[poma]

On 09.12.2013 22:11, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
> On 12/9/13 8:15 AM, poma wrote:
> > On 09.12.2013 05:07, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
> > > Hello:
> > >
> > > I am running F19 xfce on a 32bit box (fully updated at the time of this
> > > test)
> > >
> > > I have "Applications Menu -> Settings -> Removable Drives and Media" open
> > >
> > > Under "Removable Storage":
> > >       [checked] Mount removable drives when hot-plugged
> > >       [checked] Mount removable drives when inserted
> > >       [checked] Browse removable media when inserted
> > >       [not checked] Auto-run programs on new drives and media
> > >       [not checked] Auto-open files on new drives and media
> > >
> > > Nothing else is checked on this or all the other tabs.
> > >
> > > Whether I hot-plug a memory stick into the computer or plug it in before
> > > powering on, it never mounts the volume until I manually go to the icon
> > > on the desktop and tell it to "please go mount yourself"
> > >
> > > Am I not understanding the options under "Settings -> Removable Storage"?
> > >
> > > I first encountered this in F16 under xfce but figured I wasn't
> > > understanding something as I had just switched from F14 gnome where I
> > > could hot-plug
> > >
> > > I have three Linux boxes and it doesn't auto mount on any of them, so I
> > > am not thinking it is a hardware problem to a particular machine.
> > >
> > > This also happens with cd/dvd when inserted ... have to manually "please
> > > go mount yourself" (and, yes, the phraseology is intentional as I am
> > > rather frustrated by this)
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance for any advice
> > > Paul
> >
> > http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/thunar/preferences#advanced_preferences
> > Volume Management
> >
> > $ xfconf-query -c thunar -p /misc-volume-management
> > $ xfconf-query -c thunar -p /misc-volume-management -s true
> >
> > poma
>
> Poma:
>
> Thanks for reply.
>
> Volume management is checked on as the link you provided shows
>
> Running the command "xfconf-query -c thunar -p /misc-volume-management" 
> returns the following:
>
> Property "misc-volume-management" does not exist on channel "thunar".
>
> The package thunar-volman is already installed on my machine (0.8.0-4.fc19).
>
> The only other thing I can spot in your link is reference to HAL. When I 
> hunt around to find out information, I come across the following on the 
> xfce site for thunar-volman: " HAL is undergoing deprecation at the 
> moment. All major distributions push for the removal of HAL in favor of 
> DeviceKit-disks/udisk, DeviceKit-power/upower and udev" 
> (http://wiki.xfce.org/dev/thunar-volman-udev). Everything I can see on 
> this implies the transition as 2009 to 2010 range.

:)
The requirement part is outdated, anyway the emphasis was on
http://docs.xfce.org/_media/xfce/thunar/preferences-advanced.png
$ grep Required -A13 /usr/share/doc/thunar-volman-0.8.0/README
> The other response from Dale suggested that I take it to the xfce 
> general discussion site (which I intend to do after seeing if I get any 
> more info here).
>
> Any suggestions on what I should be looking for to better understand the 
> problem?

Just play with it.
i.e. Re-enable Volume Managment(checkbox)
or "Create a new property if it does not already exist"[1],
$ xfconf-query -c thunar -p /misc-volume-management -n -t bool -s true

poma

[1] $ xfconf-query -h

[Frank Murphy]

On Mon, 9 Dec 2013 09:23:49 -0600
Dale Dellutri  wrote:
> This is an XFCE issue, not a fedora issue.  You probably should
> post this question
> on the XFCE general discussion list:
>   https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce

yum search xfce
Fedora packaged Xfce, it's allowed.

[Paul Allen Newell]

On 12/9/2013 11:23 PM, Frank Murphy wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Dec 2013 09:23:49 -0600
> Dale Dellutri  wrote:
> > This is an XFCE issue, not a fedora issue.  You probably should
> > post this question
> > on the XFCE general discussion list:
> >    https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce
>
> yum search xfce
> Fedora packaged Xfce, it's allowed.

Thank you!

[Paul Allen Newell]

On 12/9/2013 7:41 PM, poma wrote:
> On 09.12.2013 22:11, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
> > On 12/9/13 8:15 AM, poma wrote:
> > > On 09.12.2013 05:07, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
> > > > Hello:
> > > >
> > > > I am running F19 xfce on a 32bit box (fully updated at the time of this
> > > > test)
> > > >
> > > > I have "Applications Menu -> Settings -> Removable Drives and Media" open
> > > >
> > > > Under "Removable Storage":
> > > >        [checked] Mount removable drives when hot-plugged
> > > >        [checked] Mount removable drives when inserted
> > > >        [checked] Browse removable media when inserted
> > > >        [not checked] Auto-run programs on new drives and media
> > > >        [not checked] Auto-open files on new drives and media
> > > >
> > > > Nothing else is checked on this or all the other tabs.
> > > >
> > > > Whether I hot-plug a memory stick into the computer or plug it in before
> > > > powering on, it never mounts the volume until I manually go to the icon
> > > > on the desktop and tell it to "please go mount yourself"
> > > >
> > > > Am I not understanding the options under "Settings -> Removable Storage"?
> > > >
> > > > I first encountered this in F16 under xfce but figured I wasn't
> > > > understanding something as I had just switched from F14 gnome where I
> > > > could hot-plug
> > > >
> > > > I have three Linux boxes and it doesn't auto mount on any of them, so I
> > > > am not thinking it is a hardware problem to a particular machine.
> > > >
> > > > This also happens with cd/dvd when inserted ... have to manually "please
> > > > go mount yourself" (and, yes, the phraseology is intentional as I am
> > > > rather frustrated by this)
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance for any advice
> > > > Paul
> > >
> > > http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/thunar/preferences#advanced_preferences
> > > Volume Management
> > >
> > > $ xfconf-query -c thunar -p /misc-volume-management
> > > $ xfconf-query -c thunar -p /misc-volume-management -s true
> > >
> > > poma
> >
> > Poma:
> >
> > Thanks for reply.
> >
> > Volume management is checked on as the link you provided shows
> >
> > Running the command "xfconf-query -c thunar -p /misc-volume-management"
> > returns the following:
> >
> > Property "misc-volume-management" does not exist on channel "thunar".
> >
> > The package thunar-volman is already installed on my machine (0.8.0-4.fc19).
> >
> > The only other thing I can spot in your link is reference to HAL. When I
> > hunt around to find out information, I come across the following on the
> > xfce site for thunar-volman: " HAL is undergoing deprecation at the
> > moment. All major distributions push for the removal of HAL in favor of
> > DeviceKit-disks/udisk, DeviceKit-power/upower and udev"
> > (http://wiki.xfce.org/dev/thunar-volman-udev). Everything I can see on
> > this implies the transition as 2009 to 2010 range.
>
> :)
> The requirement part is outdated, anyway the emphasis was on
> http://docs.xfce.org/_media/xfce/thunar/preferences-advanced.png
> $ grep Required -A13 /usr/share/doc/thunar-volman-0.8.0/README
> > The other response from Dale suggested that I take it to the xfce
> > general discussion site (which I intend to do after seeing if I get any
> > more info here).
> >
> > Any suggestions on what I should be looking for to better understand the
> > problem?
>
> Just play with it.
> i.e. Re-enable Volume Managment(checkbox)
> or "Create a new property if it does not already exist"[1],
> $ xfconf-query -c thunar -p /misc-volume-management -n -t bool -s true
>
> poma
>
> [1] $ xfconf-query -h

Poma:

Thanks for reply and additional info. I'm going to need some time to 
look into this as I need to understand why I should be creating the new 
property given thunar-volman is installed

Paul

[poma]

On 10.12.2013 23:02, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
> Thanks for reply and additional info. I'm going to need some time to 
> look into this as I need to understand why I should be creating the new 
> property given thunar-volman is installed

This is probably by design, to create properties[1] when you first start
using them. Although it's probably a bug when the option is turned on by
default, and the property doesn't exist.

poma

[1] $ ll .config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/

[poma]

On 11.12.2013 03:52, poma wrote:
> On 10.12.2013 23:02, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
> > Thanks for reply and additional info. I'm going to need some time to 
> > look into this as I need to understand why I should be creating the new 
> > property given thunar-volman is installed
>
> This is probably by design, to create properties[1] when you first start
> using them. Although it's probably a bug when the option is turned on by
> default, and the property doesn't exist.

With this[1] patch the Thunar Volume Management is unchecked by default,
which reflects the true initial state of this option.
Paul, do you want to file a bug report?

poma

[1] 'thunar-pref-vol-management.diff' - attach

[Paul Allen Newell]

On 12/11/2013 7:14 AM, poma wrote:
> With this[1] patch the Thunar Volume Management is unchecked by default,
> which reflects the true initial state of this option.
> Paul, do you want to file a bug report?
>
> poma
>
> [1] 'thunar-pref-vol-management.diff' - attach

Poma:

Confirmed bug and submitted bugzilla.xfce #10539 (included that user 
"poma" from this list found the bug, though I only submitted what I 
could confirm through my testing).

After all this, I discovered that the drives/media still do not 
auto-mount, even though the property /misc-volume-management is there 
and set to true. A bit of a dig in their bugzilla shows #9193 which 
looks kinda similar with a bunch of comments, suggestions, tests, etc. 
but no explicit mention of a patch being released.

I guess I will just see what happens now and, if necessary, get used to 
manually mounting the volume. Given how long I've spent on looking at 
this issue, I could have manually mounted a whole lot of drives/media 
(smile).

Thank you for your help
Paul

[poma]

On 12.12.2013 00:25, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
> Confirmed bug and submitted bugzilla.xfce #10539 (included that user 
> "poma" from this list found the bug, though I only submitted what I 
> could confirm through my testing).
>
> After all this, I discovered that the drives/media still do not 
> auto-mount, even though the property /misc-volume-management is there 
> and set to true. A bit of a dig in their bugzilla shows #9193 which 
> looks kinda similar with a bunch of comments, suggestions, tests, etc. 
> but no explicit mention of a patch being released.
>
> I guess I will just see what happens now and, if necessary, get used to 
> manually mounting the volume. Given how long I've spent on looking at 
> this issue, I could have manually mounted a whole lot of drives/media 
> (smile).

I tested with vaxon77's "delayed mount"[1], however the value required
for this varies from machine to machine, and on some it isn't necessary
at all.
So you can start with one second to more until you reach the automounting.

Do not forget to chmod the file:
# chmod +x /usr/local/bin/thunar-volman

poma

[1] https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9193#c0

[Paul Allen Newell]

On 12/12/2013 1:19 PM, poma wrote:
> I tested with vaxon77's "delayed mount"[1], however the value required
> for this varies from machine to machine, and on some it isn't necessary
> at all.
> So you can start with one second to more until you reach the automounting.
>
> Do not forget to chmod the file:
> # chmod +x /usr/local/bin/thunar-volman
>
> poma
>
> [1] https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9193#c0

I decided manually mounting was an easier solution. If xfce responds to 
the bugs, I'll reconsider

[poma]

On 13.12.2013 08:44, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
> On 12/12/2013 1:19 PM, poma wrote:
> > I tested with vaxon77's "delayed mount"[1], however the value required
> > for this varies from machine to machine, and on some it isn't necessary
> > at all.
> > So you can start with one second to more until you reach the automounting.
> >
> > Do not forget to chmod the file:
> > # chmod +x /usr/local/bin/thunar-volman
> >
> > poma
> >
> > [1] https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9193#c0
>
> I decided manually mounting was an easier solution. If xfce responds to 
> the bugs, I'll reconsider

There are not many active developers there.
Regarding automount it works without problems on my machine, although I
don't use it.
If, I'd call my pal Dr. Udev D. Dolittle. ;)

poma

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=893029