11:50 a.m.
hi
can u plz explain me how to share internet connection in fedora os
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azeez khan wrote:
hi
can u plz explain me how to share internet connection in fedora os
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In ANY os a cheap user Rooter will do the trick. I have one from
Logitec that has 3 wired and one WiFi port and cost about $30.00 4 years
ago. I expect they are cheaper now.
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7:39 p.m.
On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 08:45 -0800, Paul Shaffer wrote:
Azeez, what you need is not trite retorts from resident list
imbeciles (see Bill's response below),
Not nice, Paul. That was not nice. I saw nothing in Azeez's post asking
about firewalls specifically. He could have been asking about routers
just as easily. Or hubs. Or setting up domains, ip addresses, DHCP, ftp,
or UUCP. He coulda been asking about NFS, ssh, IP tunneling, telnet,
apache, samba and shares. Everyone else fill in the remaining blanks.
This is a trick question and worth 10 additional points. You may start
writing ...now.
There's a helluva lot of trees in those woods there, between all the
possible connections to all the possible devices and all the possible
answers.
Azeez, it's better if you ask a question describing what you have and
what you want to have, which narrows down the possible answers to merely
a handful, instead of a dump truck load.
Who was that guy, about a year ago, that wanted us to do his homework? I
wonder if he graduated?? <cringe> Ric
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Yeah, they probably got what they needed from my response and went about their business.
Terry Polzin <foxec208(a)wowway.com> wrote: On Monday 26 November 2007 12:50:18 azeez
khan wrote:
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moi <rainer(a)lucien.sysadmin.at> wrote:
Les Mikesell schrieb:
moi wrote:
> The difference is simple: Anyone can give advice such as "write
> yourself a firewall and routing script" or "try it with webmin" - you
> can only hope he has access to those.
>
> You "understood" he has a fully configured network and a server with
> at least two Ethernet Cards, able to do the forwarding/NAT. If *any*
> of those assumptions is wrong, he may end up with a misconfigured
> network and NO internet access. how cool.
And how would that be worse than the popular OS that has a checkbox
for internet sharing - which only works when you have a suitable
network topology? Microsoft does it like this:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306126 in case you are confused about
the term.
At least microsoft does install DHCP and leaves no doubt any other
method is not supported. period. How many sites have you seen with
Internet connection sharing via XP, how many persons you know use the
in-built VPN concentrator function ?
Another hint: HP-UX has ip_forwarding enabled by default. One only needs
to configure a strict set of firewall Rules and/or enable NAT (if needed).
So, please stop being rude and comparing with *whatsoever*.
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On Nov 26, 2007 12:50 PM, azeez khan <lovable4uin(a)yahoo.co.in> wrote:
hi
can u plz explain me how to share internet connection in fedora os
regards
Rahim Khan
Rahim,
Did you find the answer you wanted in the postings? Depending on your
needs there is a very easy way (as suggested by Karl - use a
gateway/router) and a more difficult way (as others have suggested).
If all you want to do is to have several computers share a single high
speed Internet connection then I agree with Karl, get a
gateway/router. They are relatively inexpensive (at least around
here) and pretty easy to set up. Then your computers (Fedora,
Windows, Solaris, BSD, MAC, or whatever else you are running) can all
easily share the connection by getting their IP from the router.
Jacques B.
4:08 p.m.
Les Mikesell wrote:
Do you see any quoting on the lines I included from here:
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2007-November/msg04679.html?
I think it was someone's line wrap issue, but it happened before I saw it.
If you are talking about:
Paul Shaffer <ace_wizard yahoo com> wrote:
> Azeez, what you need is not trite retorts from resident list
imbeciles (see
Bill's response below), but rather to employ an
iptables firewall application/script. There are numerous available
to meet any need from simple to enterprise-capable. Firestarter,
Shorewall, and I believe there is a basic firewall configuration
utility in the distro. The web-based firewall gui in Webmin provides
a very simple rudimentary funtion for this. There are many others.
Keywords: firewall, nat, masq.
It looks like that is all one line from Paul Shaffer, especially as
the sentence structure has each sentence spanning more then one
line. So it looks like you everything you quoted as being from me is
actually from Paul. Even a quick reading should show that.
Mikkel
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12:23 p.m.
On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 12:16 -0600, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
Paul Shaffer wrote:
>
>
> */"Mikkel L. Ellertson" <mikkel(a)infinity-ltd.com>/* wrote:
>
>
> would probably help with future requests for help. I know I can not
> answer the OP without more information, and I after reading the
> original post, I wasn't interested in trying to get it.
>
> Mikkel
>
> Of course not. All you're intersted in doing is demonstrating your
> prodigious knowledge by asking as many fully formulated questions as you
> can deam up, rather than simply attempting to help somebody.
>
Definitely. Why would I ever want to help anyone? I would rather
point them to where they can find the answers themselves. Much
better then giving advice that may or may not apply.
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12:18 p.m.
Les Mikesell wrote:
Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
>>> Azeez, what you need is not trite retorts from resident list
> imbeciles (see Bill's response below), but rather to employ an
> iptables firewall application/script. There are numerous available
> to meet any need from simple to enterprise-capable. Firestarter,
> Shorewall, and I believe there is a basic firewall configuration
> utility in the distro. The web-based firewall gui in Webmin provides
> a very simple rudimentary funtion for this. There are many others.
It might be as simple as:
modprobe iptable_nat
iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE
echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
but if you have to ask the question, you might be better off with one of
the appliance systems that do this for you along with a lot of other
things - like SME server or Clarkconnect.
Strange - I don't remember writing any of the text attributed to me.
Are you sure you got the quote correct Les?
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9:29 a.m.
The answer would then be "you have everything you need".
Thanks a lot, that really opened my eyes, Paul.
Cya.
Paul Shaffer schrieb:
Oh, I almost forgot:
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."
- A. Einstein
*/Les Mikesell <lesmikesell(a)gmail.com>/* wrote:
moi wrote:
> The difference is simple: Anyone can give advice such as "write
yourself
> a firewall and routing script" or "try it with webmin" - you can
only
> hope he has access to those.
>
> You "understood" he has a fully configured network and a server
with at
> least two Ethernet Cards, able to do the forwarding/NAT. If
*any* of
> those assumptions is wrong, he may end up with a misconfigured
network
> and NO internet access. how cool.
And how would that be worse than the popular OS that has a
checkbox for
internet sharing - which only works when you have a suitable network
topology? Microsoft does it like this:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306126 in case you are confused about
the term.
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Oh, I almost forgot:
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."
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Les Mikesell <lesmikesell(a)gmail.com> wrote:
moi wrote:
The difference is simple: Anyone can give advice such as "write
yourself
a firewall and routing script" or "try it with webmin" - you can only
hope he has access to those.
You "understood" he has a fully configured network and a server with at
least two Ethernet Cards, able to do the forwarding/NAT. If *any* of
those assumptions is wrong, he may end up with a misconfigured network
and NO internet access. how cool.
And how would that be worse than the popular OS that has a checkbox for
internet sharing - which only works when you have a suitable network
topology? Microsoft does it like this:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306126 in case you are confused about
the term.
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Les Mikesell schrieb:
moi wrote:
> The difference is simple: Anyone can give advice such as "write
> yourself a firewall and routing script" or "try it with webmin" - you
> can only hope he has access to those.
>
> You "understood" he has a fully configured network and a server with
> at least two Ethernet Cards, able to do the forwarding/NAT. If *any*
> of those assumptions is wrong, he may end up with a misconfigured
> network and NO internet access. how cool.
And how would that be worse than the popular OS that has a checkbox
for internet sharing - which only works when you have a suitable
network topology? Microsoft does it like this:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306126 in case you are confused about
the term.
At least microsoft does install DHCP and leaves no doubt any other
method is not supported. period. How many sites have you seen with
Internet connection sharing via XP, how many persons you know use the
in-built VPN concentrator function ?
Another hint: HP-UX has ip_forwarding enabled by default. One only needs
to configure a strict set of firewall Rules and/or enable NAT (if needed).
So, please stop being rude and comparing with *whatsoever*.
bye
8:16 a.m.
On Monday 26 November 2007 12:50:18 azeez khan wrote:
hi
can u plz explain me how to share internet connection in fedora os
regards
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from the original poster?
Until he replies we are all just wasting bandwidth.
8:01 a.m.
Paul Shaffer wrote:
maybe I'm the only one who understood the question. I thought he
stated
very simply and straightforward exactly what he needed:
"can u plz explain me how to share internet connection in fedora os"
The answer and pertinent pointers are pretty simple as well. Sorry you
don't get it.
Yes, it sure looks like you are the only one who understood the
question. That is a good indication that the question was not
written clearly. It probably would have helped if it were written as
an e-mail instead of looking like something you would text to a cell
phone. That alone limits the number of people that will understand
it. (It also limits the number of people that will be interested in
providing help.)
Mikkel
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7:49 a.m.
The difference is simple: Anyone can give advice such as "write yourself
a firewall and routing script" or "try it with webmin" - you can only
hope he has access to those.
You "understood" he has a fully configured network and a server with at
least two Ethernet Cards, able to do the forwarding/NAT. If *any* of
those assumptions is wrong, he may end up with a misconfigured network
and NO internet access. how cool.
so, I personally prefer asking, as this does not hurt or harm in any
way. If you do not see it that way - my bad.
EOD.
Paul Shaffer schrieb:
maybe I'm the only one who understood the question. I thought he
stated very simply and straightforward exactly what he needed:
"can u plz explain me how to share internet connection in fedora os"
The answer and pertinent pointers are pretty simple as well. Sorry
you don't get it.
*/moi <rainer(a)lucien.sysadmin.at>/* wrote:
If possible, could you just stop this useless commotion ?
Dear Paul, the first answer stile "if you don´t really tell us
WHAT you need, we cannot provide you any kind of solution" was and
is perfectly acceptable.
If you would like discussing that matter on a personal level (yes,
I often consider myself an imbecile and nevertheless managed to be
an RHCE and work as a systems manager), please do so with just the
specific persons involved - and not the whole mailing list.
bye
moi
Paul Shaffer schrieb:
> Yes, thank you. It would be preferred for you to keep the
> excrement "in" your ass.
>
> */Bill Davidsen <davidsen(a)tmr.com>/* wrote:
>
> Paul Shaffer wrote:
> > Azeez, what you need is not trite retorts from resident
> list imbeciles
> > (see Bill's response below), but rather to employ an
> iptables firewall
> > application/script. There are numerous available to meet
> any need from
> > simple to enterprise-capable. Firestarter, Shorewall, and I
> believe
> > there is a basic firewall configuration utility in the
> distro. The
> > web-based firewall gui in Webmin provides a very simple
> rudimentary
> > funtion for this. There are many others. Keywords:
> firewall, nat, masq.
>
> Right, without knowing if he's asking how to plug two
> computers into a
> switch, use Fedora as a firewall, run multiple virtual
> machines network
> connected, or any of the other things you could mean by
> "share internet
> connection in fedora." Instead of asking for clarification so
> I could
> actually help with his problem I should have pulled an answer
> out of my
> ass so I look smart?
>
> Well I guess I should have, you sure did.
>
> On TV game shows someone gives an answer and then the
> contestant has to
> make up a matching question. On a mailing list the question
> comes first
> and then you have to understand it and provide the matching
> answer.
> >
> > v/r
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > */Bill Davidsen /* wrote:
> >
> > azeez khan wrote:
> > > hi
> > > can u plz explain me how to share internet connection in
> fedora os
> > >
> > Share it with what?
> >
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Yes, thank you. It would be preferred for you to keep the excrement "in" your
ass.
Bill Davidsen <davidsen(a)tmr.com> wrote: Paul Shaffer wrote:
Azeez, what you need is not trite retorts from resident list
imbeciles
(see Bill's response below), but rather to employ an iptables firewall
application/script. There are numerous available to meet any need from
simple to enterprise-capable. Firestarter, Shorewall, and I believe
there is a basic firewall configuration utility in the distro. The
web-based firewall gui in Webmin provides a very simple rudimentary
funtion for this. There are many others. Keywords: firewall, nat, masq.
Right, without knowing if he's asking how to plug two computers into a
switch, use Fedora as a firewall, run multiple virtual machines network
connected, or any of the other things you could mean by "share internet
connection in fedora." Instead of asking for clarification so I could
actually help with his problem I should have pulled an answer out of my
ass so I look smart?
Well I guess I should have, you sure did.
On TV game shows someone gives an answer and then the contestant has to
make up a matching question. On a mailing list the question comes first
and then you have to understand it and provide the matching answer.
v/r
Paul
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azeez khan wrote:
> hi
> can u plz explain me how to share internet connection in fedora os
>
Share it with what?
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Just to analyze a bit: You were the only one to explicitly tell him to
use webmin or shorewall.
So: when I install a firewall (any kind), this usually still does not
allow me to share any internet connection. So, how do you suppose this
was any better ?
As later suggested, one needs ip_forwarding and an iptables entry for
nat - at least. But, as this has security implications and can render
the internet connection unsusable (e.g. a spelling error in the iptables
script), we would prefer not to rush things. Haste makes waste, easy as
that.
The only one who has still not understood the basiscs seems to be you,
Paul. It´s not only about manners or stuff, but also about flaming
people willing to _help_, not just finish the call.
Paul Shaffer wrote:
If you had simlpy read and understood the OP's question, you
would
understand that all you're "what if" scenarios are completely
ridiculous. There is only one correct simple answer all you
complainers have overlooked in the rush to over analyze this.
*/Ric Moore <wayward4now(a)gmail.com>/* wrote:
On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 11:11 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 08:45:02 -0800,
> Paul Shaffer wrote:
> > Azeez, what you need is not trite retorts from resident list
imbeciles (see Bill's response below), but rather to employ an
iptables firewall application/script. There are numerous available
to meet any need from simple to enterprise-capable. Firestarter,
Shorewall, and I believe there is a basic firewall configuration
utility in the distro. The web-based firewall gui in Webmin
provides a very simple rudimentary funtion for this. There are
many others. Keywords: firewall, nat, masq.
>
> Depending on what he wants to do there can be significantly more
invloved.
> His original question was incomplete and asking to expand on it
before giving
> him an inappropiate response was correct.
It was past incomplete. It said virtually nothing, yet we have two
"experts" divining that he needs firewall rules. Suppose he has only
some computers and some wires, with the ends freshly spliced,
wondering
what to hook them to?? Or two dumb terminals and a pair of rabbit
ears?
Or two tin-cans and a string? No one knows, except "The Amazing
Kreskin"
and he's dead. Period.
Bill's response was not "trite" at all. The OP can learn, that I
have no
doubt. When he does, he will be better served. That's the point.
We all
come here to serve or be served, usually some of both. Learning how to
reach that goal successfully, and acknowledge the conventions of lists
such as ours and of others, is not a bad thing. Bill just cut through
the mustard. Ric
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On Wednesday 28 November 2007, Ric Moore wrote:
[...]
Who was that guy, about a year ago, that wanted us to do his homework?
I
wonder if he graduated?? <cringe> Ric
Huh? Which one Ric, there have been several.
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9:12 p.m.
They are no hindrance, as they are no solution to a (not) given problem.
kind of lame, in my opinion.
i suggest you concentrate on "helping" with the other requests - since
you are that good.
bye
Paul Shaffer wrote:
Gonna continue to overanalyze, huh? Since when are script tools like
Webmin and Shorewall a hindrance to setting up Masq?
And don't put words in my post. I suggested some possible tools to
make the task easier. I did not "explicity tell him" to use
anything. Sorry, but your lame attempt to twist my words had failed.
Nice try.
This is really starting to get funny now. I wonder how many more
experts not "understanding the basics" will eventually become exposed
over this. Hmmmm...
*/rainer <rainer(a)lucien.sysadmin.at>/* wrote:
Just to analyze a bit: You were the only one to explicitly tell
him to use webmin or shorewall.
So: when I install a firewall (any kind), this usually still does
not allow me to share any internet connection. So, how do you
suppose this was any better ?
As later suggested, one needs ip_forwarding and an iptables entry
for nat - at least. But, as this has security implications and can
render the internet connection unsusable (e.g. a spelling error in
the iptables script), we would prefer not to rush things. Haste
makes waste, easy as that.
The only one who has still not understood the basiscs seems to be
you, Paul. It´s not only about manners or stuff, but also about
flaming people willing to _help_, not just finish the call.
Paul Shaffer wrote:
> If you had simlpy read and understood the OP's question, you
> would understand that all you're "what if" scenarios are
> completely ridiculous. There is only one correct simple answer
> all you complainers have overlooked in the rush to over analyze this.
>
> */Ric Moore <wayward4now(a)gmail.com>/* wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 11:11 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 08:45:02 -0800,
> > Paul Shaffer wrote:
> > > Azeez, what you need is not trite retorts from resident
> list imbeciles (see Bill's response below), but rather to
> employ an iptables firewall application/script. There are
> numerous available to meet any need from simple to
> enterprise-capable. Firestarter, Shorewall, and I believe
> there is a basic firewall configuration utility in the
> distro. The web-based firewall gui in Webmin provides a very
> simple rudimentary funtion for this. There are many others.
> Keywords: firewall, nat, masq.
> >
> > Depending on what he wants to do there can be significantly
> more invloved.
> > His original question was incomplete and asking to expand
> on it before giving
> > him an inappropiate response was correct.
>
> It was past incomplete. It said virtually nothing, yet we
> have two
> "experts" divining that he needs firewall rules. Suppose he
> has only
> some computers and some wires, with the ends freshly spliced,
> wondering
> what to hook them to?? Or two dumb terminals and a pair of
> rabbit ears?
> Or two tin-cans and a string? No one knows, except "The
> Amazing Kreskin"
> and he's dead. Period.
>
> Bill's response was not "trite" at all. The OP can learn,
> that I have no
> doubt. When he does, he will be better served. That's the
> point. We all
> come here to serve or be served, usually some of both.
> Learning how to
> reach that goal successfully, and acknowledge the conventions
> of lists
> such as ours and of others, is not a bad thing. Bill just cut
> through
> the mustard. Ric
>
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Paul Shaffer wrote:
Azeez, what you need is not trite retorts from resident list
imbeciles
(see Bill's response below), but rather to employ an iptables firewall
application/script. There are numerous available to meet any need from
simple to enterprise-capable. Firestarter, Shorewall, and I believe
there is a basic firewall configuration utility in the distro. The
web-based firewall gui in Webmin provides a very simple rudimentary
funtion for this. There are many others. Keywords: firewall, nat, masq.
Right, without knowing if he's asking how to plug two computers into a
switch, use Fedora as a firewall, run multiple virtual machines network
connected, or any of the other things you could mean by "share internet
connection in fedora." Instead of asking for clarification so I could
actually help with his problem I should have pulled an answer out of my
ass so I look smart?
Well I guess I should have, you sure did.
On TV game shows someone gives an answer and then the contestant has to
make up a matching question. On a mailing list the question comes first
and then you have to understand it and provide the matching answer.
v/r
Paul
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azeez khan wrote:
> hi
> can u plz explain me how to share internet connection in fedora os
>
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7:57 p.m.
On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 11:11 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 08:45:02 -0800,
Paul Shaffer <ace_wizard(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> Azeez, what you need is not trite retorts from resident list imbeciles (see
Bill's response below), but rather to employ an iptables firewall application/script.
There are numerous available to meet any need from simple to enterprise-capable.
Firestarter, Shorewall, and I believe there is a basic firewall configuration utility in
the distro. The web-based firewall gui in Webmin provides a very simple rudimentary
funtion for this. There are many others. Keywords: firewall, nat, masq.
Depending on what he wants to do there can be significantly more invloved.
His original question was incomplete and asking to expand on it before giving
him an inappropiate response was correct.
It was past incomplete. It said virtually nothing, yet we have two
"experts" divining that he needs firewall rules. Suppose he has only
some computers and some wires, with the ends freshly spliced, wondering
what to hook them to?? Or two dumb terminals and a pair of rabbit ears?
Or two tin-cans and a string? No one knows, except "The Amazing Kreskin"
and he's dead. Period.
Bill's response was not "trite" at all. The OP can learn, that I have no
doubt. When he does, he will be better served. That's the point. We all
come here to serve or be served, usually some of both. Learning how to
reach that goal successfully, and acknowledge the conventions of lists
such as ours and of others, is not a bad thing. Bill just cut through
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Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
Les Mikesell wrote:
> Do you see any quoting on the lines I included from here:
> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2007-November/msg04679.html?
>
> I think it was someone's line wrap issue, but it happened before I saw it.
>
If you are talking about:
> Paul Shaffer <ace_wizard yahoo com> wrote:
>> Azeez, what you need is not trite retorts from resident list
imbeciles (see Bill's response below), but rather to employ an
iptables firewall application/script. There are numerous available
to meet any need from simple to enterprise-capable. Firestarter,
Shorewall, and I believe there is a basic firewall configuration
utility in the distro. The web-based firewall gui in Webmin provides
a very simple rudimentary funtion for this. There are many others.
Keywords: firewall, nat, masq.
It looks like that is all one line from Paul Shaffer, especially as
the sentence structure has each sentence spanning more then one
line. So it looks like you everything you quoted as being from me is
actually from Paul. Even a quick reading should show that.
It wasn't a single line when I got it. If it wasn't when you sent it,
it should have had the quotes added on the wrapped lines.
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3:09 p.m.
Les Mikesell wrote:
Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
> Les Mikesell wrote:
>> Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
>>
>>>>> Azeez, what you need is not trite retorts from resident list
>>> imbeciles (see Bill's response below), but rather to employ an
>>> iptables firewall application/script. There are numerous available
>>> to meet any need from simple to enterprise-capable. Firestarter,
>>> Shorewall, and I believe there is a basic firewall configuration
>>> utility in the distro. The web-based firewall gui in Webmin provides
>>> a very simple rudimentary funtion for this. There are many others.
>> It might be as simple as:
>> modprobe iptable_nat
>> iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE
>> echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
>>
>> but if you have to ask the question, you might be better off with one of
>> the appliance systems that do this for you along with a lot of other
>> things - like SME server or Clarkconnect.
>>
> Strange - I don't remember writing any of the text attributed to me.
> Are you sure you got the quote correct Les?
Thunderbird did my quoting - and what I replied to (yours) did not have
any quoting on the parts now 3 levels deep.
Thunderbird may have done the quoting, but you did the trimming.
Strange how you managed to trim out all of the stuff I wrote. It
looks like you took a message that replied to one of mine, and
trimmed out the part from me. I would expect someone with your
claimed experience not to make a mistake like that. Or was it a mistake?
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3:30 p.m.
Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
Les Mikesell wrote:
> Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
>> Les Mikesell wrote:
>>> Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Azeez, what you need is not trite retorts from resident list
>>>> imbeciles (see Bill's response below), but rather to employ an
>>>> iptables firewall application/script. There are numerous available
>>>> to meet any need from simple to enterprise-capable. Firestarter,
>>>> Shorewall, and I believe there is a basic firewall configuration
>>>> utility in the distro. The web-based firewall gui in Webmin provides
>>>> a very simple rudimentary funtion for this. There are many others.
>>> It might be as simple as:
>>> modprobe iptable_nat
>>> iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE
>>> echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
>>>
>>> but if you have to ask the question, you might be better off with one of
>>> the appliance systems that do this for you along with a lot of other
>>> things - like SME server or Clarkconnect.
>>>
>> Strange - I don't remember writing any of the text attributed to me.
>> Are you sure you got the quote correct Les?
> Thunderbird did my quoting - and what I replied to (yours) did not have
> any quoting on the parts now 3 levels deep.
>
Thunderbird may have done the quoting, but you did the trimming.
Strange how you managed to trim out all of the stuff I wrote. It
looks like you took a message that replied to one of mine, and
trimmed out the part from me. I would expect someone with your
claimed experience not to make a mistake like that. Or was it a mistake?
Do you see any quoting on the lines I included from here:
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2007-November/msg04679.html?
I think it was someone's line wrap issue, but it happened before I saw it.
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12:16 p.m.
Paul Shaffer wrote:
*/"Mikkel L. Ellertson" <mikkel(a)infinity-ltd.com>/* wrote:
would probably help with future requests for help. I know I can not
answer the OP without more information, and I after reading the
original post, I wasn't interested in trying to get it.
Mikkel
Of course not. All you're intersted in doing is demonstrating your
prodigious knowledge by asking as many fully formulated questions as you
can deam up, rather than simply attempting to help somebody.
Definitely. Why would I ever want to help anyone? I would rather
point them to where they can find the answers themselves. Much
better then giving advice that may or may not apply.
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11:56 a.m.
Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
>> Azeez, what you need is not trite retorts from resident list
imbeciles (see Bill's response below), but rather to employ an
iptables firewall application/script. There are numerous available
to meet any need from simple to enterprise-capable. Firestarter,
Shorewall, and I believe there is a basic firewall configuration
utility in the distro. The web-based firewall gui in Webmin provides
a very simple rudimentary funtion for this. There are many others.
It might be as simple as:
modprobe iptable_nat
iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE
echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
but if you have to ask the question, you might be better off with one of
the appliance systems that do this for you along with a lot of other
things - like SME server or Clarkconnect.
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11:50 a.m.
"Mikkel L. Ellertson" <mikkel(a)infinity-ltd.com> wrote:
would probably help with future requests for help. I know I can not
answer the OP without more information, and I after reading the
original post, I wasn't interested in trying to get it.
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Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 08:45:02 -0800,
Paul Shaffer <ace_wizard(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> Azeez, what you need is not trite retorts from resident list
imbeciles (see
Bill's response below), but rather to employ an
iptables firewall application/script. There are numerous available
to meet any need from simple to enterprise-capable. Firestarter,
Shorewall, and I believe there is a basic firewall configuration
utility in the distro. The web-based firewall gui in Webmin provides
a very simple rudimentary funtion for this. There are many others.
Keywords: firewall, nat, masq.
Depending on what he wants to do there can be significantly more invloved.
His original question was incomplete and asking to expand on it before giving
him an inappropiate response was correct.
It would help to know things like how the Linux box connects to the
Internet now, how the Linux box connects to the rest of the
computers on the network, etc. For example, if he had a DSL or cable
modem, using a PPPoE or PPPoA connection, and only one NIC, it gets
a bit complicated. Sharing a dial-up connection with other computers
is a bit easier, but then you get into things like DNS caching,
maybe running something like squid, etc. While it is possible to
share a DSL or cable connection that does not use PPPoE using only
one NIC and a hub, that is really complicated.
Then you get into things like are all the computers going to use a
static IP, or do you need to set up a DHCP server? You also run into
things like is the Linux box going to be running all the time? If
not, what happens when the other computers need to access the
Internet? So the correct answer may be to buy a firewall/router, and
plug all the computers into it.
There is no way to tell from the original question. In the long run,
something on the order of pointing the OP to something like:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines#head-3d48...
would probably help with future requests for help. I know I can not
answer the OP without more information, and I after reading the
original post, I wasn't interested in trying to get it.
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11:11 a.m.
On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 08:45:02 -0800,
Paul Shaffer <ace_wizard(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
Azeez, what you need is not trite retorts from resident list
imbeciles (see Bill's response below), but rather to employ an iptables firewall
application/script. There are numerous available to meet any need from simple to
enterprise-capable. Firestarter, Shorewall, and I believe there is a basic firewall
configuration utility in the distro. The web-based firewall gui in Webmin provides a very
simple rudimentary funtion for this. There are many others. Keywords: firewall, nat,
masq.
Depending on what he wants to do there can be significantly more invloved.
His original question was incomplete and asking to expand on it before giving
him an inappropiate response was correct.
12:32 p.m.
Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
Les Mikesell wrote:
> Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
>
>>>> Azeez, what you need is not trite retorts from resident list
>> imbeciles (see Bill's response below), but rather to employ an
>> iptables firewall application/script. There are numerous available
>> to meet any need from simple to enterprise-capable. Firestarter,
>> Shorewall, and I believe there is a basic firewall configuration
>> utility in the distro. The web-based firewall gui in Webmin provides
>> a very simple rudimentary funtion for this. There are many others.
> It might be as simple as:
> modprobe iptable_nat
> iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE
> echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
>
> but if you have to ask the question, you might be better off with one of
> the appliance systems that do this for you along with a lot of other
> things - like SME server or Clarkconnect.
>
Strange - I don't remember writing any of the text attributed to me.
Are you sure you got the quote correct Les?
Thunderbird did my quoting - and what I replied to (yours) did not have
any quoting on the parts now 3 levels deep.
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10:56 a.m.
The easy way to share the internet connection with some PCs in the back
(assuming there is a correctly configured network) would be to enable
IP-forwarding (with /etc/sysctl.conf -> enable ipV4_forward).
Second step would be to enable NAT, e.g. "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING
-s 192.168.0.0/24 -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE", assuming the internal network
is 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0. These rules can also be defined in
/etc/sysconfig/iptables.
Either way, we know nothing of Azeez´ config and especially have no
specs regarding his requirements. as a result, I would prefer to know
more about the setup before telling him how to do this - just as Bill
said (it was perhaps in a rude manner, but nonetheless perfectly ok).
regards
rainer
Paul Shaffer schrieb:
Azeez, what you need is not trite retorts from resident list
imbeciles
(see Bill's response below), but rather to employ an iptables firewall
application/script. There are numerous available to meet any need
from simple to enterprise-capable. Firestarter, Shorewall, and I
believe there is a basic firewall configuration utility in the
distro. The web-based firewall gui in Webmin provides a very simple
rudimentary funtion for this. There are many others. Keywords:
firewall, nat, masq.
v/r
Paul
*/Bill Davidsen <davidsen(a)tmr.com>/* wrote:
azeez khan wrote:
> hi
> can u plz explain me how to share internet connection in fedora os
>
Share it with what?
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Azeez, what you need is not trite retorts from resident list imbeciles (see Bill's
response below), but rather to employ an iptables firewall application/script. There are
numerous available to meet any need from simple to enterprise-capable. Firestarter,
Shorewall, and I believe there is a basic firewall configuration utility in the distro.
The web-based firewall gui in Webmin provides a very simple rudimentary funtion for this.
There are many others. Keywords: firewall, nat, masq.
v/r
Paul
Bill Davidsen <davidsen(a)tmr.com> wrote:
azeez khan wrote:
hi
can u plz explain me how to share internet connection in fedora os
Share it with what?
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azeez khan wrote:
hi
can u plz explain me how to share internet connection in fedora os
http://www.squid-cache.org is a good place to start.
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9:22 a.m.
I suggest you mind your own business and STFU, unless you have something positive to
contribute to this list. That goes for anybody who understands my whole premise for this
particular flame war.
rainer <rainer(a)lucien.sysadmin.at> wrote: They are no hindrance, as they are no
solution to a (not) given problem. kind of lame, in my opinion.
i suggest you concentrate on "helping" with the other requests - since you are
that good.
bye
Paul Shaffer wrote: Gonna continue to overanalyze, huh? Since when are script tools
like Webmin and Shorewall a hindrance to setting up Masq?
And don't put words in my post. I suggested some possible tools to make the task
easier. I did not "explicity tell him" to use anything. Sorry, but your lame
attempt to twist my words had failed. Nice try.
This is really starting to get funny now. I wonder how many more experts not
"understanding the basics" will eventually become exposed over this. Hmmmm...
rainer <rainer(a)lucien.sysadmin.at> wrote:
Just to analyze a bit: You were the only one to explicitly tell him to use webmin or
shorewall.
So: when I install a firewall (any kind), this usually still does not allow me to share
any internet connection. So, how do you suppose this was any better ?
As later suggested, one needs ip_forwarding and an iptables entry for nat - at least. But,
as this has security implications and can render the internet connection unsusable (e.g. a
spelling error in the iptables script), we would prefer not to rush things. Haste makes
waste, easy as that.
The only one who has still not understood the basiscs seems to be you, Paul. It´s not only
about manners or stuff, but also about flaming people willing to _help_, not just finish
the call.
Paul Shaffer wrote: If you had simlpy read and understood the OP's question, you
would understand that all you're "what if" scenarios are completely
ridiculous. There is only one correct simple answer all you complainers have overlooked
in the rush to over analyze this.
Ric Moore <wayward4now(a)gmail.com> wrote: On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 11:11 -0600, Bruno
Wolff III wrote:
On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 08:45:02 -0800,
Paul Shaffer wrote:
> Azeez, what you need is not trite retorts from resident list imbeciles (see
Bill's response below), but rather to employ an iptables firewall application/script.
There are numerous available to meet any need from simple to enterprise-capable.
Firestarter, Shorewall, and I believe there is a basic firewall configuration utility in
the distro. The web-based firewall gui in Webmin provides a very simple rudimentary
funtion for this. There are many others. Keywords: firewall, nat, masq.
Depending on what he wants to do there can be significantly more invloved.
His original question was incomplete and asking to expand on it before giving
him an inappropiate response was correct.
It was past incomplete. It said virtually nothing, yet we have two
"experts" divining that he needs firewall rules. Suppose he has only
some computers and some wires, with the ends freshly spliced, wondering
what to hook them to?? Or two dumb terminals and a pair of rabbit ears?
Or two tin-cans and a string? No one knows, except "The Amazing Kreskin"
and he's dead. Period.
Bill's response was not "trite" at all. The OP can learn, that I have no
doubt. When he does, he will be better served. That's the point. We all
come here to serve or be served, usually some of both. Learning how to
reach that goal successfully, and acknowledge the conventions of lists
such as ours and of others, is not a bad thing. Bill just cut through
the mustard. Ric
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If you had simlpy read and understood the OP's question, you would understand that all
you're "what if" scenarios are completely ridiculous. There is only one
correct simple answer all you complainers have overlooked in the rush to over analyze
this.
Ric Moore <wayward4now(a)gmail.com> wrote: On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 11:11 -0600, Bruno
Wolff III wrote:
On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 08:45:02 -0800,
Paul Shaffer wrote:
> Azeez, what you need is not trite retorts from resident list imbeciles (see
Bill's response below), but rather to employ an iptables firewall application/script.
There are numerous available to meet any need from simple to enterprise-capable.
Firestarter, Shorewall, and I believe there is a basic firewall configuration utility in
the distro. The web-based firewall gui in Webmin provides a very simple rudimentary
funtion for this. There are many others. Keywords: firewall, nat, masq.
Depending on what he wants to do there can be significantly more invloved.
His original question was incomplete and asking to expand on it before giving
him an inappropiate response was correct.
It was past incomplete. It said virtually nothing, yet we have two
"experts" divining that he needs firewall rules. Suppose he has only
some computers and some wires, with the ends freshly spliced, wondering
what to hook them to?? Or two dumb terminals and a pair of rabbit ears?
Or two tin-cans and a string? No one knows, except "The Amazing Kreskin"
and he's dead. Period.
Bill's response was not "trite" at all. The OP can learn, that I have no
doubt. When he does, he will be better served. That's the point. We all
come here to serve or be served, usually some of both. Learning how to
reach that goal successfully, and acknowledge the conventions of lists
such as ours and of others, is not a bad thing. Bill just cut through
the mustard. Ric
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I know. It was not nice on purpose. because I believe some people around here are not
nice in the way they respond to very simple inquiries. OK Ric, I'll play along with
you too, just for grins 'n giggles. Give us an example of how you would NOT use
iptables to share an Internet connection "using Fedora OS."
You may wish to re-read the OP's question. It was extremely simple and
straightforward. There are many very talented highly qualified people on this list who
sometimes get hamstrung by those very attributes when they read too much into a simple
question. And sometimes in Bill's case for example, I also believe they do it on
purpose to belittle the poster or puff their own chest. That's not nice either, IMHO.
That's all.
Ric Moore <wayward4now(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 08:45 -0800, Paul Shaffer wrote:
Azeez, what you need is not trite retorts from resident list
imbeciles (see Bill's response below),
Not nice, Paul. That was not nice. I saw nothing in Azeez's post asking
about firewalls specifically. He could have been asking about routers
just as easily. Or hubs. Or setting up domains, ip addresses, DHCP, ftp,
or UUCP. He coulda been asking about NFS, ssh, IP tunneling, telnet,
apache, samba and shares. Everyone else fill in the remaining blanks.
This is a trick question and worth 10 additional points. You may start
writing ...now.
There's a helluva lot of trees in those woods there, between all the
possible connections to all the possible devices and all the possible
answers.
Azeez, it's better if you ask a question describing what you have and
what you want to have, which narrows down the possible answers to merely
a handful, instead of a dump truck load.
Who was that guy, about a year ago, that wanted us to do his homework? I
wonder if he graduated?? Ric
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If possible, could you just stop this useless commotion ?
Dear Paul, the first answer stile "if you don´t really tell us WHAT you
need, we cannot provide you any kind of solution" was and is perfectly
acceptable.
If you would like discussing that matter on a personal level (yes, I
often consider myself an imbecile and nevertheless managed to be an RHCE
and work as a systems manager), please do so with just the specific
persons involved - and not the whole mailing list.
bye
moi
Paul Shaffer schrieb:
Yes, thank you. It would be preferred for you to keep the excrement
"in" your ass.
*/Bill Davidsen <davidsen(a)tmr.com>/* wrote:
Paul Shaffer wrote:
> Azeez, what you need is not trite retorts from resident list
imbeciles
> (see Bill's response below), but rather to employ an iptables
firewall
> application/script. There are numerous available to meet any
need from
> simple to enterprise-capable. Firestarter, Shorewall, and I believe
> there is a basic firewall configuration utility in the distro. The
> web-based firewall gui in Webmin provides a very simple rudimentary
> funtion for this. There are many others. Keywords: firewall,
nat, masq.
Right, without knowing if he's asking how to plug two computers
into a
switch, use Fedora as a firewall, run multiple virtual machines
network
connected, or any of the other things you could mean by "share
internet
connection in fedora." Instead of asking for clarification so I could
actually help with his problem I should have pulled an answer out
of my
ass so I look smart?
Well I guess I should have, you sure did.
On TV game shows someone gives an answer and then the contestant
has to
make up a matching question. On a mailing list the question comes
first
and then you have to understand it and provide the matching answer.
>
> v/r
>
> Paul
>
> */Bill Davidsen /* wrote:
>
> azeez khan wrote:
> > hi
> > can u plz explain me how to share internet connection in fedora os
> >
> Share it with what?
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7:42 a.m.
maybe I'm the only one who understood the question. I thought he stated very simply
and straightforward exactly what he needed:
"can u plz explain me how to share internet connection in fedora os"
The answer and pertinent pointers are pretty simple as well. Sorry you don't get
it.
moi <rainer(a)lucien.sysadmin.at> wrote:
If possible, could you just stop this useless commotion ?
Dear Paul, the first answer stile "if you don´t really tell us WHAT you need, we
cannot provide you any kind of solution" was and is perfectly acceptable.
If you would like discussing that matter on a personal level (yes, I often consider myself
an imbecile and nevertheless managed to be an RHCE and work as a systems manager), please
do so with just the specific persons involved - and not the whole mailing list.
bye
moi
Paul Shaffer schrieb: Yes, thank you. It would be preferred for you to keep the
excrement "in" your ass.
Bill Davidsen <davidsen(a)tmr.com> wrote: Paul Shaffer wrote:
Azeez, what you need is not trite retorts from resident list
imbeciles
(see Bill's response below), but rather to employ an iptables firewall
application/script. There are numerous available to meet any need from
simple to enterprise-capable. Firestarter, Shorewall, and I believe
there is a basic firewall configuration utility in the distro. The
web-based firewall gui in Webmin provides a very simple rudimentary
funtion for this. There are many others. Keywords: firewall, nat, masq.
Right, without knowing if he's asking how to plug two computers into a
switch, use Fedora as a firewall, run multiple virtual machines network
connected, or any of the other things you could mean by "share internet
connection in fedora." Instead of asking for clarification so I could
actually help with his problem I should have pulled an answer out of my
ass so I look smart?
Well I guess I should have, you sure did.
On TV game shows someone gives an answer and then the contestant has to
make up a matching question. On a mailing list the question comes first
and then you have to understand it and provide the matching answer.
v/r
Paul
*/Bill Davidsen /* wrote:
azeez khan wrote:
> hi
> can u plz explain me how to share internet connection in fedora os
>
Share it with what?
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Gonna continue to overanalyze, huh? Since when are script tools like Webmin and Shorewall
a hindrance to setting up Masq?
And don't put words in my post. I suggested some possible tools to make the task
easier. I did not "explicity tell him" to use anything. Sorry, but your lame
attempt to twist my words had failed. Nice try.
This is really starting to get funny now. I wonder how many more experts not
"understanding the basics" will eventually become exposed over this. Hmmmm...
rainer <rainer(a)lucien.sysadmin.at> wrote:
Just to analyze a bit: You were the only one to explicitly tell him to use webmin or
shorewall.
So: when I install a firewall (any kind), this usually still does not allow me to share
any internet connection. So, how do you suppose this was any better ?
As later suggested, one needs ip_forwarding and an iptables entry for nat - at least. But,
as this has security implications and can render the internet connection unsusable (e.g. a
spelling error in the iptables script), we would prefer not to rush things. Haste makes
waste, easy as that.
The only one who has still not understood the basiscs seems to be you, Paul. It´s not only
about manners or stuff, but also about flaming people willing to _help_, not just finish
the call.
Paul Shaffer wrote: If you had simlpy read and understood the OP's question, you
would understand that all you're "what if" scenarios are completely
ridiculous. There is only one correct simple answer all you complainers have overlooked
in the rush to over analyze this.
Ric Moore <wayward4now(a)gmail.com> wrote: On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 11:11 -0600, Bruno
Wolff III wrote:
On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 08:45:02 -0800,
Paul Shaffer wrote:
> Azeez, what you need is not trite retorts from resident list imbeciles (see
Bill's response below), but rather to employ an iptables firewall application/script.
There are numerous available to meet any need from simple to enterprise-capable.
Firestarter, Shorewall, and I believe there is a basic firewall configuration utility in
the distro. The web-based firewall gui in Webmin provides a very simple rudimentary
funtion for this. There are many others. Keywords: firewall, nat, masq.
Depending on what he wants to do there can be significantly more invloved.
His original question was incomplete and asking to expand on it before giving
him an inappropiate response was correct.
It was past incomplete. It said virtually nothing, yet we have two
"experts" divining that he needs firewall rules. Suppose he has only
some computers and some wires, with the ends freshly spliced, wondering
what to hook them to?? Or two dumb terminals and a pair of rabbit ears?
Or two tin-cans and a string? No one knows, except "The Amazing Kreskin"
and he's dead. Period.
Bill's response was not "trite" at all. The OP can learn, that I have no
doubt. When he does, he will be better served. That's the point. We all
come here to serve or be served, usually some of both. Learning how to
reach that goal successfully, and acknowledge the conventions of lists
such as ours and of others, is not a bad thing. Bill just cut through
the mustard. Ric
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8:16 a.m.
moi wrote:
The difference is simple: Anyone can give advice such as "write
yourself
a firewall and routing script" or "try it with webmin" - you can only
hope he has access to those.
You "understood" he has a fully configured network and a server with at
least two Ethernet Cards, able to do the forwarding/NAT. If *any* of
those assumptions is wrong, he may end up with a misconfigured network
and NO internet access. how cool.
And how would that be worse than the popular OS that has a checkbox for
internet sharing - which only works when you have a suitable network
topology? Microsoft does it like this:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306126 in case you are confused about
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8:34 a.m.
On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 07:22:49 -0800,
Paul Shaffer <ace_wizard(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
I suggest you mind your own business and STFU, unless you have
something positive to contribute to this list. That goes for anybody who understands my
whole premise for this particular flame war.
Paul, I don't see anyone here agreeing with you.
The consensus appears to be that asking further questions of the original
poster was appropiate.
P.S. You should set your mail client to use the format=flowed parameter for
the content-type of thetext/plain part of your messages.
1:29 a.m.
On Thu, 2007-11-29 at 06:34 -0800, Paul Shaffer wrote:
I know. It was not nice on purpose. because I believe some people
around here are not nice in the way they respond to very simple
inquiries. OK Ric, I'll play along with you too, just for grins 'n
giggles. Give us an example of how you would NOT use iptables to
share an Internet connection "using Fedora OS."
That's easy, the same way I ran an 8 line BBS using a Dickens Terminal
server. I assigned local IP addresses to the 8 modems and 8 terminals we
also had and gave them all names in hosts. They all pointed to my
server, with a static IP address to the net as their telnet gateway
automatically. Everything worked just fine, in text mode. The users
could telnet and FTP to their heart's content. 14.4 was considered high
speed and 28.8 externals were over $200 apiece. We ran a MUD and gave
everyone command line access for free. It only blew up a couple of
times. I learned to keep good backups. :) In that fashion, setting it up
was a breeze. I've set up small home networks in the same fashion using
a hub. Gonna do that again this weekend. Of course, nowadays it does pay
some to heed security issues. Out here in the toolies using a modem, all
I have to do is watch the modem lights for suspicious activity.
In Greensboro, when I had a nice fat Business DSL connection, I had a
router connected to the DSL modem and just about anyone could bring
their laptop over, plug in along side mine and hit the net without
touching my machine. How the OP was connected and with what was not
mentioned. It could have been just that simple. Just plug 'em in.
You may wish to re-read the OP's question. It was extremely
simple
and straightforward. There are many very talented highly qualified
people on this list who sometimes get hamstrung by those very
attributes when they read too much into a simple question. And
sometimes in Bill's case for example, I also believe they do it on
purpose to belittle the poster or puff their own chest. That's not
nice either, IMHO. That's all.
I read what the OP wrote, no prob. He just didn't mention anything
regarding his hardware, just that he wanted to share the internet among
his various computers. I would hazard a guess that a router or a hub
would come in handy first. No mention. Plus the cables to connect them.
I had no clue what he had, from what he wrote. No mention of interface
to the web or among the machines and if any of it worked at all. Suppose
he didn't know to configure his ethernet cards? Maybe he has a Linux
server and Windows client machines? We don't know from the little info
given. That's the beef and I've posted forgetting to include the juicy
bits, and got called on it, as I should have been. He got called on it
too. Bill didn't "label" the OP as stupid or idiotic. But you did label
Bill. That's where some panties got caught up in a snit. You could have
called him on being less than thoughtful without the name-calling. I
think you'll agree that would have been more appropriate.
To my thinking, before you do the iptables bit, it would be handy to set
up either ip addresses to be addressed or DHCP or something just to
establish the connections among his machines and have them just ping to
each other for starts.
Check out my linux user number, I've been at this awhile. I've Founded
and Co-Founded 4 computer clubs in my life. I've done technical support
in the Chemical Industry for 25 years. Since I've dealt with
non-technical folks in a technical niche, I've had to dumb it down
alot!
But, I've had to educate my clients as well, so we have a common mode of
comprehension level when discussing their problems. I made pretty good
coin at it, you just have to love your customers and have expectations
of them as well. The OP did not convey his true situation to a group
list that isn't being paid to be as patient. A seal barks for fish in
the circus. So, it's also incumbent for the question "asker" to provide
enough information so that we seals can bark on cue. :)
So long, and thanks for all the fish, Ric
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On Thursday 29 November 2007, Ric Moore wrote:
On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 21:29 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Wednesday 28 November 2007, Ric Moore wrote:
> [...]
>
> >Who was that guy, about a year ago, that wanted us to do his homework? I
> >wonder if he graduated?? <cringe> Ric
>
> Huh? Which one Ric, there have been several.
Ha! There was one who was so memorial that the Digest people all jumped
in as well. I think he asked that he was taking a college course and
wanted the list to explain computers, networking, tcp/ip and the
Internet. Expected an answer, too! <cackles> That thread must have
spawned more network activity than any other, on this list. Does this
list have statistics run monthly? If so, it would be interesting to see
the results posted periodically. <grins> Ric
It might be a peak around that time I suppose. I can't recall if I commented
or not, but I got the impression he had his tail tucked so tightly between
his legs by the time the list got done that he may have been rendered
incapable of evacuating without first getting his tail docked...
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9:10 p.m.
On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 21:29 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
On Wednesday 28 November 2007, Ric Moore wrote:
[...]
>Who was that guy, about a year ago, that wanted us to do his homework? I
>wonder if he graduated?? <cringe> Ric
>
Huh? Which one Ric, there have been several.
Ha! There was one who was so memorial that the Digest people all jumped
in as well. I think he asked that he was taking a college course and
wanted the list to explain computers, networking, tcp/ip and the
Internet. Expected an answer, too! <cackles> That thread must have
spawned more network activity than any other, on this list. Does this
list have statistics run monthly? If so, it would be interesting to see
the results posted periodically. <grins> Ric
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