Latest Sunbird is Broken Again -- Patch Available

[Jonathan Ryshpan]

The latest version of the sunbird calendar fails to start, giving the
message:
        $ Sunbird
        Cannot find Calendar runtime directory. Exiting.
This is reported in bug report
	https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=633083
with a very simple patch.

BTW: The same bug (mutatis mutandis) was reported in:
	https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=558307
Where is QA when we need them?

jon

[Michael Cronenworth]

Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
>  Where is QA when we need them? 
Please join[1] and help. It's easy, free, and painless.

I only test Thunderbird, but Thunderbird and Sunbird usually get pushed 
in a single update[2] so my positive karma for TB also affects Sunbird. 
You can fight my positive karma with your negative karma. :)


[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Join
[2] 
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/sunbird-1.0-0.30.b2pre.fc13,thund...

[Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak]

On 11/02/2010 03:01 PM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
>  The latest version of the sunbird calendar fails to start, giving
> the
>  message:
>           $ Sunbird
>           Cannot find Calendar runtime directory. Exiting.
>  This is reported in bug report
>  	https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=633083
>  with a very simple patch.
>
>  BTW: The same bug (mutatis mutandis) was reported in:
>  	https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=558307
>  Where is QA when we need them? 
Yes, sunbird on Fedora always seem to be broken in some 
trivial-to-fix-but-annoying way.

- Mike

[Michael Schwendt]

On Tue, 02 Nov 2010 14:24:21 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote:

>  Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
>  > Where is QA when we need them?
>  
>  Please join[1] and help. It's easy, free, and painless.
>  
>  I only test Thunderbird, but Thunderbird and Sunbird usually get pushed 
>  in a single update[2] so my positive karma for TB also affects Sunbird. 
>  You can fight my positive karma with your negative karma. :)
>  
>  
>  [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Join
>  [2] 
>
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/sunbird-1.0-0.30.b2pre.fc13,thund...
>  
What?! IMHO, you should not give positive karma if you only tested an
update set partially. The brief and even missing comments in that update
ticket also leave much to be desired.

Both packages in that ticket do need testing. Fedora has suffered before
from updates that have been rushed out without sufficient testing. In
cases where at least the package maintainer(s) ought to have strong
interest in positive feedback from multiple people or in good results for
specific tests. We can't fix that if we continue with delivering updates
that aren't ready.

[Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak]

On 11/02/2010 03:24 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
>  Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
>
>  I only test Thunderbird, but Thunderbird and Sunbird usually get pushed
>  in a single update[2] 
Why? Isn't that asking for trouble?

- Mike

[Michael Cronenworth]

Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote:
>  Why? Isn't that asking for trouble? 
Please don't shoot the messenger. Talk to the Red Hat folks who maintain 
the Mozilla packages.

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Tue, Nov 02, 2010 at 14:24:21 -0500,
  Michael Cronenworth <mike(a)cchtml.com&gt; wrote:
>  Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
>  > Where is QA when we need them?
>  
>  Please join[1] and help. It's easy, free, and painless.
>  
>  I only test Thunderbird, but Thunderbird and Sunbird usually get pushed 
>  in a single update[2] so my positive karma for TB also affects Sunbird. 
>  You can fight my positive karma with your negative karma. :) 
It seems pretty clear that this seems to be standard practice. I reported
a similar bug and registered negative karma and the set was pushed
anyway. Even though sunbird was completely broken. I also told them what
was wrong, how to fix it, and suggested a change in the build system, since
I had seen the same bug introduced twice and didn't see a prompt response
with a fixed update.