several issues with F25

[Paolo Galtieri]

Over the last week I have observed several problems with how F25 runs on 
my laptop.

Issue 1:  The system does not suspend on lid closed.  I have an external 
monitor attached to it and I can continue working on the system despite 
the lid being closed.  When I run gnome-tweak-tool and indicates the 
system should suspend on lid closed. I have attached the png image of 
the gnome-tweak-tool screen.

Issue 2:  Back in the F24 days and even prior to that I filed a bug 
(1389019) which states that when I boot my laptop on battery and login 
the power status applet is not displayed in the MATE top menu bar.  It 
does show up when I plug the AC cord in.  This problem has now gotten 
worse.  The power applet is no longer displayed regardless of what I 
try.  I have had to re-open this bug since it was without it ever being 
fixed.

Issue 3:  I run the MATE desktop and so I also run the 
mate-screensaver.  This is configured to display pictures from my 
Pictures directory.  Under the the "Power Management" screen it is 
configured to suspend on lid closed and to put the display to sleep 
after 5 minutes.  After 5 minutes the display is not put to sleep, the 
pictures from the Pictures directory continue to be displayed.

Issue 4:  If I close the lid prior to the screen saver kicking in, wait 
a minute and then lift the lid my session resumes without being asked to 
enter a password.  This to me is a serious security issue.

I have installed updates as of 8/15/2017

None of these issues existed a couple of months ago, except for maybe 
the suspend issue.  It has been a recurring problem getting the system 
to suspend on lid closed.  Sometimes it works other times it doesn't and 
I've made no changes :-(

Has anyone else seen these issues?

As a side note why is there no equivalent to gnome-tweak-tool for the 
MATE desktop?  When I run gnome-tweak-tool under MATE I get these errors:

[pgaltieri@terrapin ~]$ gnome-tweak-tool
WARNING : Shell not installed or running
WARNING : Shell not running
None
WARNING : Error detecting shell
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File 
"/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gtweak/tweaks/tweak_group_shell_extensions.py", 
line 275, in __init__
     raise Exception("Shell not running or DBus service not available")
Exception: Shell not running or DBus service not available

Of these issues Issue 2 is probably the most critical.  If I'm running 
on battery I want to see how much time I have left before the battery 
power is consumed.  I know I can use the upower command to find this 
out, but that is not a satisfactory solution.

Any help is appreciated.

Thank you,
Paolo

[Richard Hughes]

On 16 August 2017 at 05:48, Paolo Galtieri  wrote:
> lid being closed.  When I run gnome-tweak-tool and indicates the system
> should suspend on lid closed. I have attached the png image of the
> gnome-tweak-tool screen.

GNOME tweak tool isn't designed for MATE.
> Issue 2:  Back in the F24 days and even prior to that I filed a bug
> (1389019) which states that when I boot my laptop on battery and login the
> power status applet is not displayed in the MATE top menu bar.  It does show
> up when I plug the AC cord in.  This problem has now gotten worse.  The
> power applet is no longer displayed regardless of what I try.  I have had to
> re-open this bug since it was without it ever being fixed.

I wrote gnome-power-manager a long time ago, and then a old dead
branch was forked into mate-power-manager -- my code was incorporated
into gnome-settings-daemon and improved upon and further pushed down
into the stack. I don't think there is anyone who cares about the
long-obsolete mate power management stuff. Basically, MATE is a mostly
a fork of old GNOME components, and the developers who wrote the 99%
code shipping with MATE are either not working on Linux any more or
are working on GNOME. I think over time MATE is going to become harder
and harder to maintain. Sorry to be blunt.

Richard

[isdtor]

> I wrote gnome-power-manager a long time ago, and then a old dead
> branch was forked into mate-power-manager -- my code was incorporated
> into gnome-settings-daemon and improved upon and further pushed down
> into the stack. I don't think there is anyone who cares about the
> long-obsolete mate power management stuff. Basically, MATE is a mostly
> a fork of old GNOME components, and the developers who wrote the 99%
> code shipping with MATE are either not working on Linux any more or
> are working on GNOME. I think over time MATE is going to become harder
> and harder to maintain. Sorry to be blunt.

It's under active development, doesn't mean that the original developers
 who's code was forked need to be on board. MATE is now completely GTK2-free
 since 1.18, and looking at the roadmap, this seems to provide the option
 of reintegrating some current Gnome3 components.

Power management is a weak point right now.