Hello,
I've been experiencing, lately, some total freezes. The computer just dies: - The mouse won't respond. - The keyboard won't respond. - X can't be restarted
The only option is to hard-reset. Once done, firefox looses most of it's configuration options and sessions. It doesn't loose field history, history and bookmarks.
I have the following addons:
- Google sync - Google toolbar - Google notebook - Facebook toolbar.
I've experienced problems even without these. Tried removing flash with no luck...
Anybody experiencing the same problems? Any idea of what's the problem?
On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 07:04:57 -0500 Renich Bon Ciric renich@woralelandia.com wrote:
Hello,
I've been experiencing, lately, some total freezes. The computer just dies:
- The mouse won't respond.
- The keyboard won't respond.
- X can't be restarted
Are they keyboard lights flashing ? Are you using the Nvidia drivers ?
On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 07:04 -0500, Renich Bon Ciric wrote:
Hello,
I've been experiencing, lately, some total freezes. The computer just dies:
- The mouse won't respond.
- The keyboard won't respond.
- X can't be restarted
The only option is to hard-reset. Once done, firefox looses most of it's configuration options and sessions. It doesn't loose field history, history and bookmarks.
I have the following addons:
- Google sync
- Google toolbar
- Google notebook
- Facebook toolbar.
I've experienced problems even without these. Tried removing flash with no luck...
Anybody experiencing the same problems? Any idea of what's the problem?
Okay a similar thing has happened with me twice recently. I left my laptop running F8 ( 2.6.24.4-64.fc8 x86_64 kernel) on with Firefox, with multiple sites opened, Evolution and maybe some small applications like a xterm. When I came back after 4-5 hours, I found that the system was frozen and I could not access it either through the GUI where I was working or through any of the consoles. None of the keys or key combinations were working. I could ping it from the other system but could not access it through SSH also and was forced to switch off the power and reboot it.
In the both the instances, after rebooting the system I examined the system monitoring graphs I generate using a program called systemgraph and discovered that over a 3 hour period:
1. The physical memory used increased to 2414 MB out of a total of 2508 MB (as shown by free command). I have 2.5 GB of RAM installed.
2. The swap used had increased to 1999.32 MB against the available swap space of 2047MB.
3. The CPU context switches had increased to a maximum of about 54,000 per second as compared to the average of about 4500-5000. Similarly the pages in and out had increased to about 1700 and 2300 per second against the average values between 20-30 per second.
4. The disk I/O also showed a 100 times increase and the load average also increased manifold
5. However, there was no significant change in number of processes or number of open files.
I tried to find out if there was any data regarding resource utilization by various processes during this period but could not find any and therefore I was unable to pinpoint the cause and was suspecting some kernel bug. But looking at your mail, I think it could be firefox which is causing the problem. However, no idea why. Maybe someone can explain this.
-- Manish
On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 19:21 +0530, Manish Kathuria wrote:
On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 07:04 -0500, Renich Bon Ciric wrote:
Hello,
I've been experiencing, lately, some total freezes. The computer just dies:
- The mouse won't respond.
- The keyboard won't respond.
- X can't be restarted
The only option is to hard-reset. Once done, firefox looses most of it's configuration options and sessions. It doesn't loose field history, history and bookmarks.
I have the following addons:
- Google sync
- Google toolbar
- Google notebook
- Facebook toolbar.
I've experienced problems even without these. Tried removing flash with no luck...
Anybody experiencing the same problems? Any idea of what's the problem?
Okay a similar thing has happened with me twice recently. I left my laptop running F8 ( 2.6.24.4-64.fc8 x86_64 kernel) on with Firefox, with multiple sites opened, Evolution and maybe some small applications like a xterm. When I came back after 4-5 hours, I found that the system was frozen and I could not access it either through the GUI where I was working or through any of the consoles. None of the keys or key combinations were working. I could ping it from the other system but could not access it through SSH also and was forced to switch off the power and reboot it.
In the both the instances, after rebooting the system I examined the system monitoring graphs I generate using a program called systemgraph and discovered that over a 3 hour period:
- The physical memory used increased to 2414 MB out of a total of 2508
MB (as shown by free command). I have 2.5 GB of RAM installed.
- The swap used had increased to 1999.32 MB against the available swap
space of 2047MB.
- The CPU context switches had increased to a maximum of about 54,000
per second as compared to the average of about 4500-5000. Similarly the pages in and out had increased to about 1700 and 2300 per second against the average values between 20-30 per second.
- The disk I/O also showed a 100 times increase and the load average
also increased manifold
- However, there was no significant change in number of processes or
number of open files.
I tried to find out if there was any data regarding resource utilization by various processes during this period but could not find any and therefore I was unable to pinpoint the cause and was suspecting some kernel bug. But looking at your mail, I think it could be firefox which is causing the problem. However, no idea why. Maybe someone can explain this.
Which version of Firefox are you using? FF2 has known memory leak problems (in my case it would simply crash after a few days). FF3 seems much more stable.
poc
On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 09:38 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 19:21 +0530, Manish Kathuria wrote:
On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 07:04 -0500, Renich Bon Ciric wrote:
Hello,
I've been experiencing, lately, some total freezes. The computer just dies:
- The mouse won't respond.
- The keyboard won't respond.
- X can't be restarted
The only option is to hard-reset. Once done, firefox looses most of it's configuration options and sessions. It doesn't loose field history, history and bookmarks.
I have the following addons:
- Google sync
- Google toolbar
- Google notebook
- Facebook toolbar.
I've experienced problems even without these. Tried removing flash with no luck...
Anybody experiencing the same problems? Any idea of what's the problem?
Okay a similar thing has happened with me twice recently. I left my laptop running F8 ( 2.6.24.4-64.fc8 x86_64 kernel) on with Firefox, with multiple sites opened, Evolution and maybe some small applications like a xterm. When I came back after 4-5 hours, I found that the system was frozen and I could not access it either through the GUI where I was working or through any of the consoles. None of the keys or key combinations were working. I could ping it from the other system but could not access it through SSH also and was forced to switch off the power and reboot it.
In the both the instances, after rebooting the system I examined the system monitoring graphs I generate using a program called systemgraph and discovered that over a 3 hour period:
- The physical memory used increased to 2414 MB out of a total of 2508
MB (as shown by free command). I have 2.5 GB of RAM installed.
- The swap used had increased to 1999.32 MB against the available swap
space of 2047MB.
- The CPU context switches had increased to a maximum of about 54,000
per second as compared to the average of about 4500-5000. Similarly the pages in and out had increased to about 1700 and 2300 per second against the average values between 20-30 per second.
- The disk I/O also showed a 100 times increase and the load average
also increased manifold
- However, there was no significant change in number of processes or
number of open files.
I tried to find out if there was any data regarding resource utilization by various processes during this period but could not find any and therefore I was unable to pinpoint the cause and was suspecting some kernel bug. But looking at your mail, I think it could be firefox which is causing the problem. However, no idea why. Maybe someone can explain this.
Which version of Firefox are you using? FF2 has known memory leak problems (in my case it would simply crash after a few days). FF3 seems much more stable.
poc
firefox-2.0.0.13-1.fc8
Another thing, this problem has occurred twice only when the system was left unattended for some hours.
-- Manish
On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 19:48 +0530, Manish Kathuria wrote:
On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 09:38 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 19:21 +0530, Manish Kathuria wrote:
On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 07:04 -0500, Renich Bon Ciric wrote:
Hello,
I've been experiencing, lately, some total freezes. The computer just dies:
- The mouse won't respond.
- The keyboard won't respond.
- X can't be restarted
The only option is to hard-reset. Once done, firefox looses most of it's configuration options and sessions. It doesn't loose field history, history and bookmarks.
I have the following addons:
- Google sync
- Google toolbar
- Google notebook
- Facebook toolbar.
I've experienced problems even without these. Tried removing flash with no luck...
Anybody experiencing the same problems? Any idea of what's the problem?
Okay a similar thing has happened with me twice recently. I left my laptop running F8 ( 2.6.24.4-64.fc8 x86_64 kernel) on with Firefox, with multiple sites opened, Evolution and maybe some small applications like a xterm. When I came back after 4-5 hours, I found that the system was frozen and I could not access it either through the GUI where I was working or through any of the consoles. None of the keys or key combinations were working. I could ping it from the other system but could not access it through SSH also and was forced to switch off the power and reboot it.
In the both the instances, after rebooting the system I examined the system monitoring graphs I generate using a program called systemgraph and discovered that over a 3 hour period:
- The physical memory used increased to 2414 MB out of a total of 2508
MB (as shown by free command). I have 2.5 GB of RAM installed.
- The swap used had increased to 1999.32 MB against the available swap
space of 2047MB.
- The CPU context switches had increased to a maximum of about 54,000
per second as compared to the average of about 4500-5000. Similarly the pages in and out had increased to about 1700 and 2300 per second against the average values between 20-30 per second.
- The disk I/O also showed a 100 times increase and the load average
also increased manifold
- However, there was no significant change in number of processes or
number of open files.
I tried to find out if there was any data regarding resource utilization by various processes during this period but could not find any and therefore I was unable to pinpoint the cause and was suspecting some kernel bug. But looking at your mail, I think it could be firefox which is causing the problem. However, no idea why. Maybe someone can explain this.
Which version of Firefox are you using? FF2 has known memory leak problems (in my case it would simply crash after a few days). FF3 seems much more stable.
poc
firefox-2.0.0.13-1.fc8
Another thing, this problem has occurred twice only when the system was left unattended for some hours.
Yes, I used to get this occasionally, though I can't remember the details. Basically X would become non-responsive and the quickest solution was a hard reset.
I recommend FF3. The Beta 5 version has been very good in my experience.
poc
Alan Cox wrote:
On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 07:04:57 -0500 Renich Bon Ciric renich@woralelandia.com wrote:
Hello,
I've been experiencing, lately, some total freezes. The computer just dies:
- The mouse won't respond.
- The keyboard won't respond.
- X can't be restarted
Are they keyboard lights flashing ? Are you using the Nvidia drivers ?
I built a machine about a year ago that started having these same problems about 4 months ago. I then changed it back to the nv video driver (6150 on-board), but the problems persist.
The user is very non expert and has difficulty explaining the symptoms. Last week we ran lots of diagnostics with no errors. memtest ran for 30 hours without an error.
Sitting in front of the system for hours, and performing a complete update (F7) demonstrates a good machine. However, 30 minutes after leaving, the user calls to report another hard lock up.
The user is getting frustrated, and it sure looks to me like a hardware issue, but the only common denominator in their usage habits is Firefox.
On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 19:48 +0530, Manish Kathuria wrote:
On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 09:38 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 19:21 +0530, Manish Kathuria wrote:
On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 07:04 -0500, Renich Bon Ciric wrote:
Hello,
I've been experiencing, lately, some total freezes. The computer just dies:
- The mouse won't respond.
- The keyboard won't respond.
- X can't be restarted
The only option is to hard-reset. Once done, firefox looses most of it's configuration options and sessions. It doesn't loose field history, history and bookmarks.
I have the following addons:
- Google sync
- Google toolbar
- Google notebook
- Facebook toolbar.
I've experienced problems even without these. Tried removing flash with no luck...
Anybody experiencing the same problems? Any idea of what's the problem?
Okay a similar thing has happened with me twice recently. I left my laptop running F8 ( 2.6.24.4-64.fc8 x86_64 kernel) on with Firefox, with multiple sites opened, Evolution and maybe some small applications like a xterm. When I came back after 4-5 hours, I found that the system was frozen and I could not access it either through the GUI where I was working or through any of the consoles. None of the keys or key combinations were working. I could ping it from the other system but could not access it through SSH also and was forced to switch off the power and reboot it.
In the both the instances, after rebooting the system I examined the system monitoring graphs I generate using a program called systemgraph and discovered that over a 3 hour period:
- The physical memory used increased to 2414 MB out of a total of 2508
MB (as shown by free command). I have 2.5 GB of RAM installed.
- The swap used had increased to 1999.32 MB against the available swap
space of 2047MB.
- The CPU context switches had increased to a maximum of about 54,000
per second as compared to the average of about 4500-5000. Similarly the pages in and out had increased to about 1700 and 2300 per second against the average values between 20-30 per second.
- The disk I/O also showed a 100 times increase and the load average
also increased manifold
- However, there was no significant change in number of processes or
number of open files.
I tried to find out if there was any data regarding resource utilization by various processes during this period but could not find any and therefore I was unable to pinpoint the cause and was suspecting some kernel bug. But looking at your mail, I think it could be firefox which is causing the problem. However, no idea why. Maybe someone can explain this.
Which version of Firefox are you using? FF2 has known memory leak problems (in my case it would simply crash after a few days). FF3 seems much more stable.
poc
firefox-2.0.0.13-1.fc8
Another thing, this problem has occurred twice only when the system was left unattended for some hours.
-- Manish
It happened to me this morning. And indeed it happened after it wasa sitting unused for awhile.
-- ======================================================================= She has an alarm clock and a phone that don't ring -- they applaud. ======================================================================= Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akonstam@sbcglobal.net
On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 19:48 +0530, Manish Kathuria wrote:
Another thing, this problem has occurred twice only when the system was left unattended for some hours.
Ok, with me, while working and having firefox on.
On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 09:38 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
Which version of Firefox are you using?
firefox-2.0.0.14-1.fc8
I only use the official repos (fedora's preinstalled, livna) and the adobe repo.
On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 13:00 +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
Are they keyboard lights flashing ?
Nope, lights stay on, regardless of what I press. Only the ones that where on, stay on, example: num lock: on, caps lock: off, scroll lock: off
Are you using the Nvidia drivers ?
Yes
On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 10:04 -0600, Phil Meyer wrote:
I built a machine about a year ago that started having these same problems about 4 months ago. I then changed it back to the nv video driver (6150 on-board), but the problems persist.
The user is very non expert and has difficulty explaining the symptoms. Last week we ran lots of diagnostics with no errors. memtest ran for 30 hours without an error.
Sitting in front of the system for hours, and performing a complete update (F7) demonstrates a good machine. However, 30 minutes after leaving, the user calls to report another hard lock up.
The user is getting frustrated, and it sure looks to me like a hardware issue, but the only common denominator in their usage habits is Firefox.
At first, I also thought it was a hardware issue. I checked:
- Bios settings (tried enabling/disabling some stuff) - HDD (ran smart tests and xfs_check, xfs_repairs on all of them) - Graphics card (tried different drivers)
As long as I don't use firefox, everything is well. I'll try, for a period, to use opera or something else... , and leave my PC on.
On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 19:21 +0530, Manish Kathuria wrote:
Okay a similar thing has happened with me twice recently. I left my laptop running F8 ( 2.6.24.4-64.fc8 x86_64 kernel) on with Firefox, with multiple sites opened, Evolution and maybe some small applications like a xterm. When I came back after 4-5 hours, I found that the system was frozen and I could not access it either through the GUI where I was working or through any of the consoles. None of the keys or key combinations were working. I could ping it from the other system but could not access it through SSH also and was forced to switch off the power and reboot it.
In the both the instances, after rebooting the system I examined the system monitoring graphs I generate using a program called systemgraph and discovered that over a 3 hour period:
- The physical memory used increased to 2414 MB out of a total of
2508 MB (as shown by free command). I have 2.5 GB of RAM installed.
- The swap used had increased to 1999.32 MB against the available
swap space of 2047MB.
- The CPU context switches had increased to a maximum of about 54,000
per second as compared to the average of about 4500-5000. Similarly the pages in and out had increased to about 1700 and 2300 per second against the average values between 20-30 per second.
- The disk I/O also showed a 100 times increase and the load average
also increased manifold
- However, there was no significant change in number of processes or
number of open files.
I tried to find out if there was any data regarding resource utilization by various processes during this period but could not find any and therefore I was unable to pinpoint the cause and was suspecting some kernel bug. But looking at your mail, I think it could be firefox which is causing the problem. However, no idea why. Maybe someone can explain this.
-- Manish
Thanks for the great contribution. Ok, our theories point to: - Firefox bug - Kernel bug
I discarded the kernel because this happens when I use the pre-installed and the most recent kernel. This didn't happen when I installed fedora 8, when it was released... so, that's why.
I'll keep on reading and see what others think.
Thank you soo much.
On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:27:10 -0500 Renich Bon Ciric renich@woralelandia.com wrote:
On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 13:00 +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
Are they keyboard lights flashing ?
Nope, lights stay on, regardless of what I press. Only the ones that where on, stay on, example: num lock: on, caps lock: off, scroll lock: off
Ok - the kernel flashes the lights when it detects a crash that is why I ask.
Are you using the Nvidia drivers ?
Yes
Then you probably need to talk to Nvidia as they have source for their drivers and our kernel but the same is not true. If the box used to be reliable and isn't then I'd also see what happens if you
- boot an older kernel - check the box isn't overheating, fans failed etc - try running for a while with the nv driver not the nvidia 3d driver
that may give good idea as to what is going on (alas 'it froze' isn't a good diagnostic in itself)
Alan
On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 15:58 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 19:48 +0530, Manish Kathuria wrote:
On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 09:38 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 19:21 +0530, Manish Kathuria wrote:
On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 07:04 -0500, Renich Bon Ciric wrote:
Hello,
I've been experiencing, lately, some total freezes. The computer just dies:
- The mouse won't respond.
- The keyboard won't respond.
- X can't be restarted
The only option is to hard-reset. Once done, firefox looses most of it's configuration options and sessions. It doesn't loose field history, history and bookmarks.
I have the following addons:
- Google sync
- Google toolbar
- Google notebook
- Facebook toolbar.
I've experienced problems even without these. Tried removing flash with no luck...
Anybody experiencing the same problems? Any idea of what's the problem?
Okay a similar thing has happened with me twice recently. I left my laptop running F8 ( 2.6.24.4-64.fc8 x86_64 kernel) on with Firefox, with multiple sites opened, Evolution and maybe some small applications like a xterm. When I came back after 4-5 hours, I found that the system was frozen and I could not access it either through the GUI where I was working or through any of the consoles. None of the keys or key combinations were working. I could ping it from the other system but could not access it through SSH also and was forced to switch off the power and reboot it.
In the both the instances, after rebooting the system I examined the system monitoring graphs I generate using a program called systemgraph and discovered that over a 3 hour period:
- The physical memory used increased to 2414 MB out of a total of 2508
MB (as shown by free command). I have 2.5 GB of RAM installed.
- The swap used had increased to 1999.32 MB against the available swap
space of 2047MB.
- The CPU context switches had increased to a maximum of about 54,000
per second as compared to the average of about 4500-5000. Similarly the pages in and out had increased to about 1700 and 2300 per second against the average values between 20-30 per second.
- The disk I/O also showed a 100 times increase and the load average
also increased manifold
- However, there was no significant change in number of processes or
number of open files.
I tried to find out if there was any data regarding resource utilization by various processes during this period but could not find any and therefore I was unable to pinpoint the cause and was suspecting some kernel bug. But looking at your mail, I think it could be firefox which is causing the problem. However, no idea why. Maybe someone can explain this.
Which version of Firefox are you using? FF2 has known memory leak problems (in my case it would simply crash after a few days). FF3 seems much more stable.
poc
firefox-2.0.0.13-1.fc8
Another thing, this problem has occurred twice only when the system was left unattended for some hours.
-- Manish
It happened to me this morning. And indeed it happened after it wasa sitting unused for awhile.
It just happened to me today, too. The diskdrive light was flashing, the screen had a white window in the upper left corner, and nothing could get the computer to respond. I just finished rebooting and things came up normal (I think), but this is too much like BSD to make me happy!
Regards, Les H
On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 16:39 -0500, Renich Bon Ciric wrote:
On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 17:30 -0400, max bianco wrote:
firefox-2.0.0.13-1.fc8
Another thing, this problem has occurred twice only when the system was left unattended for some hours.
Anyone overclocking?
Max
Not me...
Not me, but my system occasionally starts up with a message for each core stating its clock is being throttled for overtemp.
Regards, Les H
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 11:11 PM, Les hlhowell@pacbell.net wrote:
On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 16:39 -0500, Renich Bon Ciric wrote:
On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 17:30 -0400, max bianco wrote:
firefox-2.0.0.13-1.fc8
Another thing, this problem has occurred twice only when the system was left unattended for some hours.
Anyone overclocking?
Max
Not me...
Not me, but my system occasionally starts up with a message for each core stating its clock is being throttled for overtemp.
Is this on a cold boot or reboot? That may be a problem. I don't think that is a good thing, you might look into that.
Max
On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 22:57 +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:27:10 -0500 Renich Bon Ciric renich@woralelandia.com wrote:
On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 13:00 +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
Are they keyboard lights flashing ?
Nope, lights stay on, regardless of what I press. Only the ones that where on, stay on, example: num lock: on, caps lock: off, scroll lock: off
Ok - the kernel flashes the lights when it detects a crash that is why I ask.
Are you using the Nvidia drivers ?
Yes
Then you probably need to talk to Nvidia as they have source for their drivers and our kernel but the same is not true. If the box used to be reliable and isn't then I'd also see what happens if you
- boot an older kernel
- check the box isn't overheating, fans failed etc
Overheating could be an issue with me at least. The laptop was lying in a room with the room temperature touching 40 degree Celsius. My older Compaq Presario Centrino has been sturdy enough to beat the Indian heat conditions so this didn't cross my mind.
-- Manish
Alan
On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 07:04 -0500, Renich Bon Ciric wrote:
Hello,
I've been experiencing, lately, some total freezes. The computer just dies:
- The mouse won't respond.
- The keyboard won't respond.
- X can't be restarted
The only option is to hard-reset. Once done, firefox looses most of it's configuration options and sessions. It doesn't loose field history, history and bookmarks.
I have the following addons:
- Google sync
- Google toolbar
- Google notebook
- Facebook toolbar.
I've experienced problems even without these. Tried removing flash with no luck...
Anybody experiencing the same problems? Any idea of what's the problem?
I have seen similar problems with firefox on an F7 system, but not nearly as freqently as it sounds you are having. I also see firefox start to use 100% of one of the CPU's. I suspect that java applications cause some of these problems. One possibility is that memory leaks are causing firefox to use up all of your swap space.
You could leave top or htop running in a window, or even a shell loop something like this:
while true; do free;ps aux --sort -pcpu,-vsz| head -20;sleep 2; done
and see if you can find out what is going on when the system freezes. Beyond that I think there is a way to load a debug kernel and force a crash dump to file a bug report with (I don't remember off hand how to do that).
Nataraj
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Renich Bon Ciric wrote:
On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 10:04 -0600, Phil Meyer wrote: At first, I also thought it was a hardware issue. I checked:
- Bios settings (tried enabling/disabling some stuff)
- HDD (ran smart tests and xfs_check, xfs_repairs on all of them)
- Graphics card (tried different drivers)
As long as I don't use firefox, everything is well. I'll try, for a period, to use opera or something else... , and leave my PC on.
What version of Flash are you using?
I had an issue related to flash causing my system to freeze. I have not seen it for ages.
Also, have you updated to the latest BIOS. My new desktop would freeze but once I updated the BIOS, no issues.
I had an issue with my nvidia card on F7 and freezing, even with the nv driver. If I sshd into the computer, I would find xorg using most of the process though. Same at work with an ATI card.
It is fun trying to trace these issues.
On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 20:05 -0700, Les wrote:
It just happened to me today, too. The diskdrive light was flashing, the screen had a white window in the upper left corner, and nothing could get the computer to respond. I just finished rebooting and things came up normal (I think), but this is too much like BSD to make me happy!
Regards, Les H
Well, it has happened; the HDD lightning up like that, but, not always. It's really strange.
I've been using "Epiphany" and nothing has happened so far... I'll keep doing this and see...
On Tue, 2008-04-29 at 09:14 -0600, Robin Laing wrote:
What version of Flash are you using?
I don't think this is it. I thought of it and switched to gnash and the same happened.
I had an issue related to flash causing my system to freeze. I have not seen it for ages.
Also, have you updated to the latest BIOS. My new desktop would freeze but once I updated the BIOS, no issues.
I have the latest BIOS... still the same...
I had an issue with my nvidia card on F7 and freezing, even with the nv driver. If I sshd into the computer, I would find xorg using most of the process though. Same at work with an ATI card.
Ok, that is still in the table...
It is fun trying to trace these issues.
Yep, it is! ;=)
Hi all, :)
I have a Toshiba Satellite A100 with FC8 (all updates applied) and Firefox 2.0.0.14. About 3 or 4 times my system "froze up" completely too, and Firefox was open all 3 or 4 times. My laptop is on practically all the time. The last time, it was seconds after I entered my password on the Gmail login page. No other pages open. I have various plugins installed, but none of those that the thread originator mentioned. This hasn't happened more than a few times despite my computer running practically 24/7 at the moment.
David
Totally Burned wrote:
Hi all, :)
I have a Toshiba Satellite A100 with FC8 (all updates applied) and Firefox 2.0.0.14 http://2.0.0.14. About 3 or 4 times my system "froze up" completely too, and Firefox was open all 3 or 4 times. My laptop is on practically all the time. The last time, it was seconds after I entered my password on the Gmail login page. No other pages open. I have various plugins installed, but none of those that the thread originator mentioned. This hasn't happened more than a few times despite my computer running practically 24/7 at the moment.
David
Have you tried running a complete memory scan on the machine. I've learned that applications that use Java tend to be sensitive to those problems. Just something to start with.
Bradley
I have had this "system dies" symptom on several systems and traced the problem back to an insufficiently big SWAP file, or the SWAP was turned off entirely.
On a machine that has this problem, you run "top" and the swap line will show 0 available.
I'm not denying other possible problems, but this one definitely did cause system hangs here. It is not unique to firefox, of course, but firefox is one program that can trigger it because so many people write crappy javascript and other ajax web programs that system resources are strained. If you leave firefox unattended whil it is hooked on to some web page that is running crap on your system, well, I guess you get what you deserve.
resources are strained. If you leave firefox unattended whil it is hooked on to some web page that is running crap on your system, well, I guess you get what you deserve.
echo "2" >/proc/sys/vm/overcommit_memory
and your system will refuse to overallocate resources. You may need more swap that way but as all the resource really does exist your computer shouldn't do an impression of the rather analogous US housing market by handing out more than exists and then finding it all in use.
Alan
On Wed, 2008-04-30 at 17:57 +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
resources are strained. If you leave firefox unattended whil it is hooked on to some web page that is running crap on your system, well, I guess you get what you deserve.
echo "2" >/proc/sys/vm/overcommit_memory
and your system will refuse to overallocate resources. You may need more swap that way but as all the resource really does exist your computer shouldn't do an impression of the rather analogous US housing market by handing out more than exists and then finding it all in use.
Alan
My most recent test showed no effect on swap (1G Ram in the machine and 0 swap used). But Acroread was consuming 100% of one processor. I have also re-acquired a problem I had with early F7 where I am getting frequent "Connection reset by remote host" messages and also lots of interrupted page loads on firefox (probably related).
I am going to see if the logs can tell me anything now. On F7 they were not much help.
Regards, Les H
On Wed, 2008-04-30 at 06:16 -0500, Bradley Pursley wrote:
Have you tried running a complete memory scan on the machine. I've learned that applications that use Java tend to be sensitive to those problems. Just something to start with.
Bradley
I never use java. I don't even have the jre installed. I use javascript, in the form of AJAX. I could say that facebook and others (gmail) contribute to this...
On Wed, 2008-04-30 at 10:16 -0500, Paul Johnson wrote:
I have had this "system dies" symptom on several systems and traced the problem back to an insufficiently big SWAP file, or the SWAP was turned off entirely.
On a machine that has this problem, you run "top" and the swap line will show 0 available.
I'm not denying other possible problems, but this one definitely did cause system hangs here. It is not unique to firefox, of course, but firefox is one program that can trigger it because so many people write crappy javascript and other ajax web programs that system resources are strained. If you leave firefox unattended whil it is hooked on to some web page that is running crap on your system, well, I guess you get what you deserve.
Ok, in my case, I have 4 Gb swap and 2 Gb ram...
On Wed, 2008-04-30 at 10:47 -0700, Les wrote:
I have also re-acquired a problem I had with early F7 where I am getting frequent "Connection reset by remote host" messages and also lots of interrupted page loads on firefox (probably related).
Now that you mention it... I suffer from this problem too! ;=s Can it all be connected?! Another plot?!!
On Wed, 2008-04-30 at 10:47 -0700, Les wrote:
On Wed, 2008-04-30 at 17:57 +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
resources are strained. If you leave firefox unattended whil it is hooked on to some web page that is running crap on your system, well, I guess you get what you deserve.
echo "2" >/proc/sys/vm/overcommit_memory
and your system will refuse to overallocate resources. You may need more swap that way but as all the resource really does exist your computer shouldn't do an impression of the rather analogous US housing market by handing out more than exists and then finding it all in use.
Alan
My most recent test showed no effect on swap (1G Ram in the machine and 0 swap used). But Acroread was consuming 100% of one processor. I have also re-acquired a problem I had with early F7 where I am getting frequent "Connection reset by remote host" messages and also lots of interrupted page loads on firefox (probably related).
I have seen cases where acroread would consume 100% CPU time, even if I restarted acroread, until I completely exited/restarted firefox. I don't remember the exact details, but it seemed like they may have been in competition for an X resource. I don't remember if both firefox or acroread were both eating up CPU time or not. In my case this was under F7.
Nataraj
My most recent test showed no effect on swap (1G Ram in the machine and 0 swap used). But Acroread was consuming 100% of one processor. I have
I wouldn't expect it to use more swap normally, bu it will only hand out memory if the swap is there in case it is needed (basically it'll only loan what is in the bank)
also re-acquired a problem I had with early F7 where I am getting frequent "Connection reset by remote host" messages and also lots of interrupted page loads on firefox (probably related).
Years ago I replaced acroread with evince and my world has been happier since. An strace should show what acroread is doing
The connection reset messages point to network problems and usually ones not at the Linux level but higher up - eg two boxes with the same IP address.
Alan
Hi all, :)
Just as info and fuel for the thread: last night my system froze-up again, this time no Firefox running, just Rhythmbox streaming Virgin radio. And Skype.
I ran the Toshiba Windows memory test, but it reported no problems.
David
On Thu, 2008-05-01 at 09:48 +0800, Totally Burned wrote:
I ran the Toshiba Windows memory test, but it reported no problems.
I don't know what that test actually does, and other people on here probably don't either. Have you tried "memtest86+" as well?
It's on the install discs as a test to run when you boot the disc, you can install it, and add it to the GRUB menu, then boot and run it.
On Thu, 1 May 2008 09:48:48 +0800 "Totally Burned" totally.burned@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all, :)
Just as info and fuel for the thread: last night my system froze-up again, this time no Firefox running, just Rhythmbox streaming Virgin radio. And Skype.
I ran the Toshiba Windows memory test, but it reported no problems.
If you want to run a memory test run memtest86 - that will take about 24 hours but its very thorough.
Alan
On Wed, 2008-04-30 at 21:01 +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
My most recent test showed no effect on swap (1G Ram in the machine and 0 swap used). But Acroread was consuming 100% of one processor. I have
I wouldn't expect it to use more swap normally, bu it will only hand out memory if the swap is there in case it is needed (basically it'll only loan what is in the bank)
also re-acquired a problem I had with early F7 where I am getting frequent "Connection reset by remote host" messages and also lots of interrupted page loads on firefox (probably related).
Years ago I replaced acroread with evince and my world has been happier since. An strace should show what acroread is doing
The connection reset messages point to network problems and usually ones not at the Linux level but higher up - eg two boxes with the same IP address.
Alan
New discovery on this one... I finally got an error message after I locked down some ports and stuff. The lockup is due to npviewer which appears to be part of Adobe reader (Acroread). I checked several places, and our friend RJ has already submitted a bug report on it. It has been widely reported in other Linux distributions and I even saw a couple of Windows references to npviewer.exe as a similar problem for them.
So, I will table this research for now, and go after the cpu throttling problem (should have done that first, but I discovered this first and I like to chase things to the bitter end.)
By the way, someone recommended using Evince instead of acroread. That is a good idea, but I don't see how to eliminate acroread from my system. So If anyone can point me to some instructions on how to remove acroread and run evince, that would be appreciated. I will probably be off line while I vacuum my system and check the fans today, but back tomorrow or next week.
Regards, Les H
On Fri, 2008-05-02 at 13:41 -0700, Les wrote:
By the way, someone recommended using Evince instead of acroread. That is a good idea, but I don't see how to eliminate acroread from my system. So If anyone can point me to some instructions on how to remove acroread and run evince, that would be appreciated.
To remove acroread: yum erase acroread To use Evince (or whatever): in Firefox, Edit->Preferences->Applications (or Content, depending on FF version).
poc
On Fri, 2008-05-02 at 13:41 -0700, Les wrote:
So If anyone can point me to some instructions on how to remove acroread and run evince, that would be appreciated.
[root@introdesk ~]$ yum remove AdobeReader_enu
if you have an english language installation. Try running
rpm -qa | grep -i adobe
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