4:10 p.m.
David replied
if it insists on that, I wasnt prepared for it,
having only sdb6 i was willing to give to f10.
I wrote about this the other day but I don't recall ever seeing it show up.
First: A Live-CD *does not* install separate packages. A Live-CD writes
itself to your hard similar to the way you burn an ISO to a CD.
It will *erase your harddisk* and then write itself exactly as it is. You
have no choices of anything.
You boot the CD. You are looking at the OS running from memory. You decide
to install it to your harddrive so you click the install icon. It formats
your drive and writes itself to your drive. Exactly as it is on the CD. You
reboot, answer a few questions and you are basically done.
And *whatever* was on the HD before is gone. Period.
The size of the CD it limited but they have put what most people would need.
Anything else you install from the online repos.
All of that aside I would seriously doubt that you could update a Fedora
Core 5 install directly to a Fedora 10 install anyway. Too many years and
too many changes. If you do a fresh install the has been updates since the
Fedora 10 Live-CD was made. Probably another CD full of them.
David
---------------
It formats
your drive and writes itself to your drive.
Exactly as it is on the CD. You
reboot, answer a few questions and you are basically done.
yes but that doesnt answer my confusion as to how it chooses
the hard drive or harddrive partition to write on.
and whether it is forcing LVM on me
and whether it is forcing a separate /boot partition.
I have two scsi disks, sda, sdb
I was trying to point it to my sdb6
it clobbered my sda1
Are you saying liveinstallcd will try to
take over my either my entire sda or my entire sdb?
I would seriously doubt that you could update a Fedora
Core 5 install directly to a Fedora 10 install anyway.
??? this doesnt make sense to me.
I thot the liveinstall was a fresh install,
nothing to do with "update"
thanks for response
Jack
12:40 p.m.
New subject: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
On 4/21/2009 5:10 PM, jackson byers wrote:
> if it insists on that, I wasnt prepared for it,
> having only sdb6 i was willing to give to f10.
I wrote about this the other day but I don't recall ever seeing
it show up.
First: A Live-CD *does not* install separate packages. A Live-CD
writes
itself to your hard similar to the way you burn an ISO to a CD.
It will *erase your harddisk* and then write itself exactly as it is.
You
have no choices of anything.
You boot the CD. You are looking at the OS running from memory. You
decide
to install it to your harddrive so you click the install icon. It formats
your drive and writes itself to your drive. Exactly as it is on the CD. You
reboot, answer a few questions and you are basically done.
And *whatever* was on the HD before is gone. Period.
The size of the CD it limited but they have put what most people
would need.
Anything else you install from the online repos.
All of that aside I would seriously doubt that you could update a
Fedora
Core 5 install directly to a Fedora 10 install anyway. Too many years and
too many changes. If you do a fresh install the has been updates since the
Fedora 10 Live-CD was made. Probably another CD full of them.
David
---------------
>It formats
>your drive and writes itself to your drive.
>Exactly as it is on the CD. You
>reboot, answer a few questions and you are basically done.
yes but that doesnt answer my confusion as to how it chooses
the hard drive or harddrive partition to write on.
and whether it is forcing LVM on me
and whether it is forcing a separate /boot partition.
I have two scsi disks, sda, sdb
I was trying to point it to my sdb6
it clobbered my sda1
Are you saying liveinstallcd will try to
take over my either my entire sda or my entire sdb?
As I understand the Live-CD installs to the primary (boot) disk. That would
be sda. It will have a / in sda1 and a swap in sda6. It will be LVM.
> I would seriously doubt that you could update a Fedora
>Core 5 install directly to a Fedora 10 install anyway.
??? this doesnt make sense to me.
I thot the liveinstall was a fresh install,
nothing to do with "update"
So you are trying to keep FC-5 and install Fedora 10 on a different physical
drive? I thought that you were trying to update the FC-5 because FC-5 is so
old, out of date, and a possible security risk since it is not getting updates.
It takes the install DVD to actually install Fedora 10 on a drive other that
the boot drive. Again. As I understand it.
--
David
1:13 p.m.
New subject: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
2009/4/22 David <dgboles(a)comcast.net>:
On 4/21/2009 5:10 PM, jackson byers wrote:
>> if it insists on that, I wasnt prepared for it,
>> having only sdb6 i was willing to give to f10.
> I wrote about this the other day but I don't recall ever seeing it show up.
> First: A Live-CD *does not* install separate packages. A Live-CD writes
> itself to your hard similar to the way you burn an ISO to a CD.
> It will *erase your harddisk* and then write itself exactly as it is. You
> have no choices of anything.
> You boot the CD. You are looking at the OS running from memory. You decide
> to install it to your harddrive so you click the install icon. It formats
> your drive and writes itself to your drive. Exactly as it is on the CD. You
> reboot, answer a few questions and you are basically done.
> And *whatever* was on the HD before is gone. Period.
> The size of the CD it limited but they have put what most people would need.
> Anything else you install from the online repos.
> All of that aside I would seriously doubt that you could update a Fedora
> Core 5 install directly to a Fedora 10 install anyway. Too many years and
> too many changes. If you do a fresh install the has been updates since the
> Fedora 10 Live-CD was made. Probably another CD full of them.
> Â David
> ---------------
>>It formats
>>your drive and writes itself to your drive.
>>Exactly as it is on the CD. You
>>reboot, answer a few questions and you are basically done.
> yes but that doesnt answer my confusion as to how it chooses
> the hard drive or harddrive partition to write on.
> and whether it is forcing LVM on me
> and whether it is forcing a separate /boot partition.
> I have two scsi disks, sda, sdb
> I was trying to point it to my sdb6
> it clobbered my sda1
> Are you saying liveinstallcd will try to
>  take over my either my entire sda  or my entire sdb?
As I understand the Live-CD installs to the primary (boot) disk. That would
be sda. It will have a / in sda1 and a swap in sda6. It will be LVM.
All this talk about live CDs got me thinking. If someone wants to get
something not available on the DVD (e.g. XFCE) and have their custom
setup on the local disk, the only way to upgrade is over the network
using preupgrade? Isn't that rather restrictive, specially since a lot
of the users have dual boot machines?
What would be the options if I don't have a reliable high speed
Internet connection? I am asking this as I wanted to get rid of Gnome
completely and have XFCE instead when I upgrade to F11. But going by
this, that seems unattainable. Am I missing something here?
--
Suvayu
Open source is the future. It sets us free.
1:40 p.m.
New subject: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
On 4/22/2009 2:13 PM, suvayu ali wrote:
2009/4/22 David <dgboles(a)comcast.net>:
> On 4/21/2009 5:10 PM, jackson byers wrote:
>>> if it insists on that, I wasnt prepared for it,
>>> having only sdb6 i was willing to give to f10.
>> I wrote about this the other day but I don't recall ever
seeing it show up.
>> First: A Live-CD *does not* install separate packages. A Live-CD writes
>> itself to your hard similar to the way you burn an ISO to a CD.
>> It will *erase your harddisk* and then write itself exactly as it is. You
>> have no choices of anything.
>> You boot the CD. You are looking at the OS running from memory. You decide
>> to install it to your harddrive so you click the install icon. It formats
>> your drive and writes itself to your drive. Exactly as it is on the CD. You
>> reboot, answer a few questions and you are basically done.
>> And *whatever* was on the HD before is gone. Period.
>> The size of the CD it limited but they have put what most people would need.
>> Anything else you install from the online repos.
>> All of that aside I would seriously doubt that you could update a Fedora
>> Core 5 install directly to a Fedora 10 install anyway. Too many years and
>> too many changes. If you do a fresh install the has been updates since the
>> Fedora 10 Live-CD was made. Probably another CD full of them.
>> David
>> ---------------
>>> It formats
>>> your drive and writes itself to your drive.
>>> Exactly as it is on the CD. You
>>> reboot, answer a few questions and you are basically done.
>> yes but that doesnt answer my confusion as to how it chooses
>> the hard drive or harddrive partition to write on.
>> and whether it is forcing LVM on me
>> and whether it is forcing a separate /boot partition.
>> I have two scsi disks, sda, sdb
>> I was trying to point it to my sdb6
>> it clobbered my sda1
>> Are you saying liveinstallcd will try to
>> take over my either my entire sda or my entire sdb?
> As I understand the Live-CD installs to the primary (boot) disk.
That would
> be sda. It will have a / in sda1 and a swap in sda6. It will be LVM.
All this talk about live CDs got me thinking. If someone wants to
get
something not available on the DVD (e.g. XFCE) and have their custom
setup on the local disk, the only way to upgrade is over the network
using preupgrade? Isn't that rather restrictive, specially since a lot
of the users have dual boot machines?
What would be the options if I don't have a reliable high speed
Internet connection? I am asking this as I wanted to get rid of Gnome
completely and have XFCE instead when I upgrade to F11. But going by
this, that seems unattainable. Am I missing something here?
There were two, official, Fedora 10 Live-CDs released. One that was GNOME
and another one that was KDE. There are some people here that made several
different, they are called 'spins', of Fedora 10. And one of the Live-CDs
was XFCE, IIRC, but it was only available with Bittorent. Again. IIRC.
If you had one of those official CDs, KDE or GNOME, they have to be
downloaded by the way, you could install XKCE and use it. It too would have
to be downloaded but the software installer/updater could get that for you.
XFCE is reasonably small. I just looked and it would be about 34 megs for
what looks like the basic desktop with everything needed to work.
Good luck.
--
David
2:33 p.m.
New subject: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
2009/4/22 David <dgboles(a)comcast.net>:
On 4/22/2009 2:13 PM, suvayu ali wrote:
> 2009/4/22 David <dgboles(a)comcast.net>:
>> As I understand the Live-CD installs to the primary (boot) disk. That would
>> be sda. It will have a / in sda1 and a swap in sda6. It will be LVM.
> All this talk about live CDs got me thinking. If someone wants to get
> something not available on the DVD (e.g. XFCE) and have their custom
> setup on the local disk, the only way to upgrade is over the network
> using preupgrade? Isn't that rather restrictive, specially since a lot
> of the users have dual boot machines?
> What would be the options if I don't have a reliable high speed
> Internet connection? I am asking this as I wanted to get rid of Gnome
> completely and have XFCE instead when I upgrade to F11. But going by
> this, that seems unattainable. Am I missing something here?
There were two, official, Fedora 10 Live-CDs released. One that was GNOME
and another one that was KDE. There are some people here that made several
different, they are called 'spins', of Fedora 10. And one of the Live-CDs
was XFCE, IIRC, but it was only available with Bittorent. Again. IIRC.
If you had one of those official CDs, KDE or GNOME, they have to be
downloaded by the way, you could install XKCE and use it. It too would have
to be downloaded but the software installer/updater could get that for you.
XFCE is reasonably small. I just looked and it would be about 34 megs for
what looks like the basic desktop with everything needed to work.
Thanks for the thought, but I'm aware of the XFCE Live CDs. My
question is since live CDs don't offer the option to choose the kind
of install, not even the option to choose the partition on the disk,
upgrading to a clean XFCE desktop is not possible without loosing my
current partitioning scheme. Is my understanding correct here?
--
Suvayu
Open source is the future. It sets us free.
3:05 p.m.
New subject: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
On 4/22/2009 3:33 PM, suvayu ali wrote:
2009/4/22 David <dgboles(a)comcast.net>:
> On 4/22/2009 2:13 PM, suvayu ali wrote:
>> 2009/4/22 David <dgboles(a)comcast.net>:
>>> As I understand the Live-CD installs to the primary (boot) disk. That would
>>> be sda. It will have a / in sda1 and a swap in sda6. It will be LVM.
>> All this talk about live CDs got me thinking. If someone
wants to get
>> something not available on the DVD (e.g. XFCE) and have their custom
>> setup on the local disk, the only way to upgrade is over the network
>> using preupgrade? Isn't that rather restrictive, specially since a lot
>> of the users have dual boot machines?
>> What would be the options if I don't have a reliable high speed
>> Internet connection? I am asking this as I wanted to get rid of Gnome
>> completely and have XFCE instead when I upgrade to F11. But going by
>> this, that seems unattainable. Am I missing something here?
> There were two, official, Fedora 10 Live-CDs released. One that
was GNOME
> and another one that was KDE. There are some people here that made several
> different, they are called 'spins', of Fedora 10. And one of the Live-CDs
> was XFCE, IIRC, but it was only available with Bittorent. Again. IIRC.
> If you had one of those official CDs, KDE or GNOME, they have to
be
> downloaded by the way, you could install XKCE and use it. It too would have
> to be downloaded but the software installer/updater could get that for you.
> XFCE is reasonably small. I just looked and it would be about 34
megs for
> what looks like the basic desktop with everything needed to work.
Thanks for the thought, but I'm aware of the XFCE Live CDs. My
question is since live CDs don't offer the option to choose the kind
of install, not even the option to choose the partition on the disk,
upgrading to a clean XFCE desktop is not possible without loosing my
current partitioning scheme. Is my understanding correct here?
With a Lived-CD. Yes. I said before that a Live-CD does not really install
in the common way thought of. It wipes the drive and writes itself to the
harddrive. Exactly as it is when it was made. Somewhat like burning an ISO
to a CD/DVD. What it is is what you get.
A update would take either the 3.4 G DVD or the set of 6 CDs.
I don't know, it's none of my business, where you live but if Internet
connection is your problem this will be available to buy after it is
released. One place is Cheapbytes. I have used them in the past and they are
reliable and the prices are inexpensive.
http://cheapbytes.com/
For example:
Fedora 10 x86 install DVD is $5.99 + shipping
Fedora 10 x86 install CD set(6) is 8.99 + shipping
It has been a while but what I received was a quality disk(s) with a
professional looking label 'made' to the disk, not a 'stick-on' label,
with
a window sleeve.
--
David
3:19 p.m.
New subject: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
2009/4/22 David <dgboles(a)comcast.net>:
On 4/22/2009 3:33 PM, suvayu ali wrote:
> 2009/4/22 David <dgboles(a)comcast.net>:
>> On 4/22/2009 2:13 PM, suvayu ali wrote:
>>> 2009/4/22 David <dgboles(a)comcast.net>:
>>>> As I understand the Live-CD installs to the primary (boot) disk. That
would
>>>> be sda. It will have a / in sda1 and a swap in sda6. It will be LVM.
>>> All this talk about live CDs got me thinking. If someone wants to get
>>> something not available on the DVD (e.g. XFCE) and have their custom
>>> setup on the local disk, the only way to upgrade is over the network
>>> using preupgrade? Isn't that rather restrictive, specially since a lot
>>> of the users have dual boot machines?
>>> What would be the options if I don't have a reliable high speed
>>> Internet connection? I am asking this as I wanted to get rid of Gnome
>>> completely and have XFCE instead when I upgrade to F11. But going by
>>> this, that seems unattainable. Am I missing something here?
>> There were two, official, Fedora 10 Live-CDs released. One that was GNOME
>> and another one that was KDE. There are some people here that made several
>> different, they are called 'spins', of Fedora 10. And one of the
Live-CDs
>> was XFCE, IIRC, but it was only available with Bittorent. Again. IIRC.
>> If you had one of those official CDs, KDE or GNOME, they have to be
>> downloaded by the way, you could install XKCE and use it. It too would have
>> to be downloaded but the software installer/updater could get that for you.
>> XFCE is reasonably small. I just looked and it would be about 34 megs for
>> what looks like the basic desktop with everything needed to work.
> Thanks for the thought, but I'm aware of the XFCE Live CDs. My
> question is since live CDs don't offer the option to choose the kind
> of install, not even the option to choose the partition on the disk,
> upgrading to a clean XFCE desktop is not possible without loosing my
> current partitioning scheme. Is my understanding correct here?
With a Lived-CD. Yes. I said before that a Live-CD does not really install
in the common way thought of. It wipes the drive and writes itself to the
harddrive. Exactly as it is when it was made. Somewhat like burning an ISO
to a CD/DVD. What it is is what you get.
A update would take either the 3.4 G DVD or the set of 6 CDs.
This is what I mentioned in my first post, the DVD _does_ not_ include
the packages for XFCE. So the Live CD is the only way to get XFCE. If
DVD re-spins (meaning, not Live media) were available with XFCE on
them then that would make my day. :)
BTW cheapbytes seems to be pretty cool. I'll look into that.
--
Suvayu
Open source is the future. It sets us free.
4:49 p.m.
New subject: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
On 4/22/2009 4:19 PM, suvayu ali wrote:
2009/4/22 David <dgboles(a)comcast.net>:
> On 4/22/2009 3:33 PM, suvayu ali wrote:
>> 2009/4/22 David <dgboles(a)comcast.net>:
>>> On 4/22/2009 2:13 PM, suvayu ali wrote:
>>>> 2009/4/22 David <dgboles(a)comcast.net>:
>>>>> As I understand the Live-CD installs to the primary (boot) disk. That
would
>>>>> be sda. It will have a / in sda1 and a swap in sda6. It will be LVM.
>>>> All this talk about live CDs got me thinking. If someone wants to get
>>>> something not available on the DVD (e.g. XFCE) and have their custom
>>>> setup on the local disk, the only way to upgrade is over the network
>>>> using preupgrade? Isn't that rather restrictive, specially since a
lot
>>>> of the users have dual boot machines?
>>>> What would be the options if I don't have a reliable high speed
>>>> Internet connection? I am asking this as I wanted to get rid of Gnome
>>>> completely and have XFCE instead when I upgrade to F11. But going by
>>>> this, that seems unattainable. Am I missing something here?
>>> There were two, official, Fedora 10 Live-CDs released. One that was GNOME
>>> and another one that was KDE. There are some people here that made several
>>> different, they are called 'spins', of Fedora 10. And one of the
Live-CDs
>>> was XFCE, IIRC, but it was only available with Bittorent. Again. IIRC.
>>> If you had one of those official CDs, KDE or GNOME, they have to be
>>> downloaded by the way, you could install XKCE and use it. It too would have
>>> to be downloaded but the software installer/updater could get that for you.
>>> XFCE is reasonably small. I just looked and it would be about 34 megs for
>>> what looks like the basic desktop with everything needed to work.
>> Thanks for the thought, but I'm aware of the XFCE Live
CDs. My
>> question is since live CDs don't offer the option to choose the kind
>> of install, not even the option to choose the partition on the disk,
>> upgrading to a clean XFCE desktop is not possible without loosing my
>> current partitioning scheme. Is my understanding correct here?
> With a Lived-CD. Yes. I said before that a Live-CD does not
really install
> in the common way thought of. It wipes the drive and writes itself to the
> harddrive. Exactly as it is when it was made. Somewhat like burning an ISO
> to a CD/DVD. What it is is what you get.
> A update would take either the 3.4 G DVD or the set of 6 CDs.
This is what I mentioned in my first post, the DVD _does_ not_
include
the packages for XFCE. So the Live CD is the only way to get XFCE. If
DVD re-spins (meaning, not Live media) were available with XFCE on
them then that would make my day. :)
Hmm... I guess I have gotten confused between at least two, perhaps more,
conversations in this thread. You are correct, I just looked, that XFCE is
not included in the Live-CD nor is can I find it in the full DVD. XFCE would
have to be downloaded.
BTW cheapbytes seems to be pretty cool. I'll look into that.
I had phone-line dialup for a long time sometime ago. 56k modems really only
do 33.6k so downloads of several CDs was 24/7 week long event. :-)
I bought from Cheapbytes on a recommendation of a friend and I have never
had a problem. One time I had a bad CD disk, number three, in the middle of
a set five. I emailed them asking for a new number 3 disk. They apologized.
I recieved a whole new set of five, no charge, in three days.
--
David
4:35 p.m.
New subject: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
David wrote:
On 4/22/2009 3:33 PM, suvayu ali wrote:
> 2009/4/22 David <dgboles(a)comcast.net>:
>
>> On 4/22/2009 2:13 PM, suvayu ali wrote:
>>
>>> 2009/4/22 David <dgboles(a)comcast.net>:
>>>
>>>> As I understand the Live-CD installs to the primary (boot) disk. That
would
>>>> be sda. It will have a / in sda1 and a swap in sda6. It will be LVM.
>>>>
>>> All this talk about live CDs got me thinking. If someone wants to get
>>> something not available on the DVD (e.g. XFCE) and have their custom
>>> setup on the local disk, the only way to upgrade is over the network
>>> using preupgrade? Isn't that rather restrictive, specially since a lot
>>> of the users have dual boot machines?
>>> What would be the options if I don't have a reliable high speed
>>> Internet connection? I am asking this as I wanted to get rid of Gnome
>>> completely and have XFCE instead when I upgrade to F11. But going by
>>> this, that seems unattainable. Am I missing something here?
>>>
>> There were two, official, Fedora 10 Live-CDs released. One that was GNOME
>> and another one that was KDE. There are some people here that made several
>> different, they are called 'spins', of Fedora 10. And one of the
Live-CDs
>> was XFCE, IIRC, but it was only available with Bittorent. Again. IIRC.
>>
>> If you had one of those official CDs, KDE or GNOME, they have to be
>> downloaded by the way, you could install XKCE and use it. It too would have
>> to be downloaded but the software installer/updater could get that for you.
>>
>> XFCE is reasonably small. I just looked and it would be about 34 megs for
>> what looks like the basic desktop with everything needed to work.
>>
> Thanks for the thought, but I'm aware of the XFCE Live CDs. My
> question is since live CDs don't offer the option to choose the kind
> of install, not even the option to choose the partition on the disk,
> upgrading to a clean XFCE desktop is not possible without loosing my
> current partitioning scheme. Is my understanding correct here?
>
With a Lived-CD. Yes. I said before that a Live-CD does not really install
in the common way thought of. It wipes the drive and writes itself to the
harddrive. Exactly as it is when it was made. Somewhat like burning an ISO
to a CD/DVD. What it is is what you get.
A update would take either the 3.4 G DVD or the set of 6 CDs.
I don't know, it's none of my business, where you live but if Internet
connection is your problem this will be available to buy after it is
released. One place is Cheapbytes. I have used them in the past and they are
reliable and the prices are inexpensive.
http://cheapbytes.com/
For example:
Fedora 10 x86 install DVD is $5.99 + shipping
Fedora 10 x86 install CD set(6) is 8.99 + shipping
It has been a while but what I received was a quality disk(s) with a
professional looking label 'made' to the disk, not a 'stick-on' label,
with
a window sleeve.
you are wrong in your suppositions of the live install procedure as it
does not wipe the disc and install itself on the full hard drive, well
not unless you tell it too ;)
phil
4:54 p.m.
New subject: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
On 4/22/2009 5:35 PM, psmith wrote:
you are wrong in your suppositions of the live install procedure as
it
does not wipe the disc and install itself on the full hard drive, well
not unless you tell it too ;)
Then something has changed since i fooled around with it. Granted which has
been a while. What I had wiped out what would be C:\ drive of a two drive
system and at no time did it *visibly* offer to do anything else.
And I recall seeing a lot of 'Oh heck!!' your disk ate my stuff' posts. :-)
Please correct me if I am out of date here.
--
David
6:23 p.m.
New subject: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
David wrote:
Then something has changed since i fooled around with it. Granted
which
has been a while. What I had wiped out what would be C:\ drive of a two
drive system and at no time did it *visibly* offer to do anything else.
And I recall seeing a lot of 'Oh heck!!' your disk ate my stuff' posts.
:-)
Please correct me if I am out of date here.
You chose the default partitioning scheme. You have to explicitly
select "Custom" and set it up as you like if you don't want it to trash
your existing data. It's the same also for the installer DVD.
Kevin Kofler
9:09 p.m.
New subject: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
On 4/22/2009 7:23 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
David wrote:
> Then something has changed since i fooled around with it. Granted which
> has been a while. What I had wiped out what would be C:\ drive of a two
> drive system and at no time did it *visibly* offer to do anything else.
> And I recall seeing a lot of 'Oh heck!!' your disk ate my
stuff' posts.
> :-)
> Please correct me if I am out of date here.
You chose the default partitioning scheme. You have to explicitly
select "Custom" and set it up as you like if you don't want it to trash
your existing data. It's the same also for the installer DVD.
Then I stand corrected. I did not see an option to change a Live-CD install.
Me? Or a problem with the installer? Maybe a *really* obvious 'something'
that needs to be added?
--
David
4:33 p.m.
New subject: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
suvayu ali wrote:
2009/4/22 David <dgboles(a)comcast.net>:
> On 4/22/2009 2:13 PM, suvayu ali wrote:
>
>> 2009/4/22 David <dgboles(a)comcast.net>:
>>
>>> As I understand the Live-CD installs to the primary (boot) disk. That would
>>> be sda. It will have a / in sda1 and a swap in sda6. It will be LVM.
>>>
>
>> All this talk about live CDs got me thinking. If someone wants to get
>> something not available on the DVD (e.g. XFCE) and have their custom
>> setup on the local disk, the only way to upgrade is over the network
>> using preupgrade? Isn't that rather restrictive, specially since a lot
>> of the users have dual boot machines?
>>
>> What would be the options if I don't have a reliable high speed
>> Internet connection? I am asking this as I wanted to get rid of Gnome
>> completely and have XFCE instead when I upgrade to F11. But going by
>> this, that seems unattainable. Am I missing something here?
>>
> There were two, official, Fedora 10 Live-CDs released. One that was GNOME
> and another one that was KDE. There are some people here that made several
> different, they are called 'spins', of Fedora 10. And one of the Live-CDs
> was XFCE, IIRC, but it was only available with Bittorent. Again. IIRC.
>
> If you had one of those official CDs, KDE or GNOME, they have to be
> downloaded by the way, you could install XKCE and use it. It too would have
> to be downloaded but the software installer/updater could get that for you.
>
> XFCE is reasonably small. I just looked and it would be about 34 megs for
> what looks like the basic desktop with everything needed to work.
>
>
Thanks for the thought, but I'm aware of the XFCE Live CDs. My
question is since live CDs don't offer the option to choose the kind
of install, not even the option to choose the partition on the disk,
upgrading to a clean XFCE desktop is not possible without loosing my
current partitioning scheme. Is my understanding correct here?
no this is not correct, when you choose install to disk from the livecd
desktop it starts anaconda and you can set the keyboard and language
settings as well as set up custom partitions, or tell it to use existing
partitions no problem, the only thing i found that was i had persistence
set on my live usb and when i did finaly get round to installing to the
hard drive none of the stuff that i had changed since first running the
live usb (eg the stuff on the persistent part of it) didn't get
transferred across, now this was with the f11 beta xfce snapshot so i'm
not sure if it's just a problem with that spin, or if it happens with
all live spins.
phil
4:44 p.m.
New subject: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
2009/4/22 psmith <psmith(a)fedoraproject.org>:
suvayu ali wrote:
>
> Thanks for the thought, but I'm aware of the XFCE Live CDs. My
> question is since live CDs don't offer the option to choose the kind
> of install, not even the option to choose the partition on the disk,
> upgrading to a clean XFCE desktop is not possible without loosing my
> current partitioning scheme. Is my understanding correct here?
>
no this is not correct, when you choose install to disk from the livecd
desktop it starts anaconda and you can set the keyboard and language
settings as well as set up custom partitions, or tell it to use existing
partitions no problem, the only thing i found that was i had persistence set
on my live usb and when i did finaly get round to installing to the hard
drive none of the stuff that i had changed since first running the live usb
(eg the stuff on the persistent part of it) didn't get transferred across,
now this was with the f11 beta xfce snapshot so i'm not sure if it's just a
problem with that spin, or if it happens with all live spins.
phil
Thank you Phil for correcting my misconceptions. This is great news
for me. Now I can move to a completely Gnome free XFCE desktop for
F11. :)
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Suvayu
Open source is the future. It sets us free.
6:25 a.m.
New subject: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
suvayu ali wrote:
2009/4/22 psmith <psmith(a)fedoraproject.org>:
> suvayu ali wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the thought, but I'm aware of the XFCE Live CDs. My
>> question is since live CDs don't offer the option to choose the kind
>> of install, not even the option to choose the partition on the disk,
>> upgrading to a clean XFCE desktop is not possible without loosing my
>> current partitioning scheme. Is my understanding correct here?
>>
>>
> no this is not correct, when you choose install to disk from the livecd
> desktop it starts anaconda and you can set the keyboard and language
> settings as well as set up custom partitions, or tell it to use existing
> partitions no problem, the only thing i found that was i had persistence set
> on my live usb and when i did finaly get round to installing to the hard
> drive none of the stuff that i had changed since first running the live usb
> (eg the stuff on the persistent part of it) didn't get transferred across,
> now this was with the f11 beta xfce snapshot so i'm not sure if it's just a
> problem with that spin, or if it happens with all live spins.
>
> phil
>
Thank you Phil for correcting my misconceptions. This is great news
for me. Now I can move to a completely Gnome free XFCE desktop for
F11. :)
don't be too sure about that, there are still some gnome dependencies on
a fedora xfce install ;)
phil
6:22 p.m.
New subject: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
suvayu ali wrote:
All this talk about live CDs got me thinking. If someone wants to
get
something not available on the DVD (e.g. XFCE) and have their custom
setup on the local disk, the only way to upgrade is over the network
using preupgrade? Isn't that rather restrictive, specially since a lot
of the users have dual boot machines?
You can upgrade using the DVD, then use "yum upgrade" to fix your broken
dependencies. You'll have to do a post-install upgrade anyway, as F9
updates (and in some cases even F8 updates) have moved beyond the versions
on the F10 DVD.
Kevin Kofler
6:20 p.m.
New subject: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
David wrote:
As I understand the Live-CD installs to the primary (boot) disk.
That
would be sda. It will have a / in sda1 and a swap in sda6. It will be LVM.
You can do custom partitioning also with the live CDs (with some
restrictions, e.g. / needs to be ext3 for Fedora <= 10 and ext4 for Fedora
= 11, but which HDD to install to is NOT fixed). You just have to look
at
what you're doing, not click "Next" blindly.
Kevin Kofler
9:12 p.m.
New subject: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
On 4/22/2009 7:20 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
David wrote:
> As I understand the Live-CD installs to the primary (boot) disk. That
> would be sda. It will have a / in sda1 and a swap in sda6. It will be LVM.
You can do custom partitioning also with the live CDs (with some
restrictions, e.g. / needs to be ext3 for Fedora <= 10 and ext4 for Fedora
> = 11, but which HDD to install to is NOT fixed). You just have to look at
what you're doing, not click "Next" blindly.
I have never used a Live-CD to install. But I have played with them. My
first Linux install was Redhat 5.2 so I am not a complete Linux Newbie.
This is problely completely my fault. I tried to help a Newbie with
out-of-date information.
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David
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