F 10 Installation without Network Manager

[mike]

Has anyone found a way to install F 10 without installing Network Manager?

Mike

[Tom Horsley]

On Fri, 22 May 2009 20:04:53 -0700
Mike Dwiggins wrote:
> Has anyone found a way to install F 10 without installing Network Manager?

No, but if you use the "asknetwork" boot parameter, you can get anaconda
to configure a static IP that actually sorta functions correctly, then you
can "yum erase NetwokManager" as your first official act after you get
it installed :-).

[mike]

Tom Horsley wrote:
> On Fri, 22 May 2009 20:04:53 -0700
> Mike Dwiggins wrote:
> > Has anyone found a way to install F 10 without installing Network Manager?
>
> No, but if you use the "asknetwork" boot parameter, you can get anaconda
> to configure a static IP that actually sorta functions correctly, then you
> can "yum erase NetwokManager" as your first official act after you get
> it installed :-).
>
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Kinda what I figured but, I could always hope!

Thanks
Mike

[Shannon McMackin]

On 05/22/2009 11:23 PM, Mike Dwiggins wrote:
> Tom Horsley wrote:
> > On Fri, 22 May 2009 20:04:53 -0700
> > Mike Dwiggins wrote:
> > > Has anyone found a way to install F 10 without installing Network
> > > Manager?
> >
> > No, but if you use the "asknetwork" boot parameter, you can get anaconda
> > to configure a static IP that actually sorta functions correctly, then
> > you
> > can "yum erase NetwokManager" as your first official act after you get
> > it installed :-).
> >
> > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database:
> > 270.12.37/2129 - Release Date: 05/22/09 17:56:00
>
> Kinda what I figured but, I could always hope!
>
> Thanks
> Mike

What's your goal?  All static IPs?

After the install, under System - Administration - Services, you can 
disable the NetworkManager service from starting.  At that point, you 
can install WICD or any other network tool or just use the standard 
ifconfig commands with the specific interface you want to enable.

[Giuseppe Fuggiano]

2009/5/23 Mike Dwiggins :
> Has anyone found a way to install F 10 without installing Network Manager?

The installation program should permit to exclude it customizing the
package selection.

However, if you are not planning to use NetworkManager to administer
you network interfaces, you could either uninstall it or disable its
use.  To uninstall the network manager issue the 'yum remove
NetworkManager' command.  To disable, you can use 'chkconfig
NetworkManager off' and 'service NetworkManager stop'.

When planning to use the usual /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ scripts
to configure the network, I usually opt for the second solution.

Cheers,

[Rahul Sundaram]

On 05/23/2009 08:34 AM, Mike Dwiggins wrote:
> Has anyone found a way to install F 10 without installing Network Manager?

Not possible since Anaconda itself uses Network Manager for managing the
network during installation in Fedora 10. However, you can disable the
service or remove it post-installation if necessary.

Rahul

[Clemens Eisserer]

I experienced a lot of problems when disabling NetworkManager.
Programs started to complain that they are not connected to a network,
although everything works.

- Clemens

2009/5/23 Rahul Sundaram :
> On 05/23/2009 08:34 AM, Mike Dwiggins wrote:
> > Has anyone found a way to install F 10 without installing Network Manager?
>
> Not possible since Anaconda itself uses Network Manager for managing the
> network during installation in Fedora 10. However, you can disable the
> service or remove it post-installation if necessary.
>
> Rahul
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[Kevin Kofler]

Clemens Eisserer wrote:
> I experienced a lot of problems when disabling NetworkManager.
> Programs started to complain that they are not connected to a network,
> although everything works.

It's NetworkManager which reports whether a program is connected or not.
Depending on how you disable it, programs either get the status reported
as "unknown" or outright think you're disconneced.

Kevin Kofler

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 24 May 2009, Clemens Eisserer wrote:
> I experienced a lot of problems when disabling NetworkManager.
> Programs started to complain that they are not connected to a network,
> although everything works.
> Clemens

Any probs I had were fixed in < 5 minutes, never to be heard from again.  It 
may be installed, but as a service its disabled.  Network IS enabled, but no 
dhcp, its all fixed.

[Mattias Hellström]

> On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 5:04 AM, Mike Dwiggins  wrote:
> Has anyone found a way to install F 10 without installing Network Manager?
>
> Mike

I added the following to my kickstart file, this seams to work without problems:

services --disabled=NetworkManager --enabled=network

But nm is _alot_ better now than it was before, some features gets
enabled too early in Fedora which gives them a very bad reputation
(example yum, networkmanager, pulseaudio)