6:45 a.m.
Hi all,
For sshd service there is a problem in enabling auditd service.if any one
knows the process please let us know.
Thanks
Prashanth
9:55 a.m.
New subject: Meta-discussions and the role of the Fedora Community
When people talk about choosing FOSS software like Fedora, "a strong
community" is always cited.
May we declare a moratorium on meta-discussions? If someone doesn't
give enough info, ask them for more, and that's all. Going off on top
posting, depth of quoting, typos, etc makes the list a hostile place.
If you don't have something nice or helpful to say, don't say it.
If you need more info, ask for it. If you suspect they don't know what
they're doing, offer some assistance on how they can get that info.
Quite frankly, if I were a newbie and I had a question and were met with
such hostility, I'd think twice about all that stuff about the value of
"the community".
Thanks for listening.
10:47 a.m.
On 03/29/13 22:42, Reindl Harald wrote:
it's a difference having a typo in the subject or in the content
especially if someone speaks about auditd in the subject and
sshd in the content
A typo is a typo. You just didn't have enough context for you to be able to figure it
out. Sure, there were other problems with the post....but that wasn't one of them.
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on the cat sitting on my chest every time I sit down at the computer....
10:04 a.m.
New subject: Meta-discussions and the role of the Fedora Community
Sorry for the top post. Blackberry mail is a good prrogramme for a list.
While I agree with Mr. Stern on the topic of politeness, I can also remember a time on
these support lists that the usual response to new users questions was 'RTFM'. The
manuals were and still are very technical in jargon that are not very helpful unless one
knows the jargon.
IMO
Dave
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Subject: Meta-discussions and the role of the Fedora Community
When people talk about choosing FOSS software like Fedora, "a strong
community" is always cited.
May we declare a moratorium on meta-discussions? If someone doesn't
give enough info, ask them for more, and that's all. Going off on top
posting, depth of quoting, typos, etc makes the list a hostile place.
If you don't have something nice or helpful to say, don't say it.
If you need more info, ask for it. If you suspect they don't know what
they're doing, offer some assistance on how they can get that info.
Quite frankly, if I were a newbie and I had a question and were met with
such hostility, I'd think twice about all that stuff about the value of
"the community".
Thanks for listening.
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7:08 a.m.
On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 12:57:51 +0100
Reindl Harald <h.reindl(a)thelounge.net> wrote:
Am 29.03.2013 12:45, schrieb Prashanth Kasula:
> For sshd service there is a problem in enabling auditd service.if
> any one knows the process please let us know.
* what is your input
* what is the output
* what does "systemctl status name.service" say
* what does /var/log/messages say
* what does /var/log/secure say
try:
dmesg | grep ssh
cat /var/log/messages | grep ssh
for audit service do likewise, but change grep value
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8:58 a.m.
Hi Reindl,
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 02:28:27PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
your subject "auditd is afiled how to enable" does not describe
your problem, "afiled" is AFAIK not a known word, so please
consider in the future to describe your problem, find a mathcing
subject and after that people can help you
That is a common typo for "failed" (the a and f are interchanged). I
bet everyone has made a typo like that sometime in the past. Other such
comon typos could be missing letters, interchanging characters and
spaces at word boundaries, etc.
--
Suvayu
Open source is the future. It sets us free.
9:42 a.m.
Am 29.03.2013 15:31, schrieb Ed Greshko:
On 03/29/13 21:58, Suvayu Ali wrote:
> Hi Reindl,
>
> On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 02:28:27PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> your subject "auditd is afiled how to enable" does not describe
>> your problem, "afiled" is AFAIK not a known word, so please
>> consider in the future to describe your problem, find a mathcing
>> subject and after that people can help you
> That is a common typo for "failed" (the a and f are interchanged). I
> bet everyone has made a typo like that sometime in the past. Other such
> comon typos could be missing letters, interchanging characters and
> spaces at word boundaries, etc.
>
Yeah, you'd think someone who types things such as "find a mathcing" would
be able to figure that out
it's a difference having a typo in the subject or in the content
especially if someone speaks about auditd in the subject and
sshd in the content
auditd != sshd
information == zero
thread count == hight
______________________________
summary: a bad joke if someone needs help
9:31 a.m.
On 03/29/13 21:58, Suvayu Ali wrote:
Hi Reindl,
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 02:28:27PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
> your subject "auditd is afiled how to enable" does not describe
> your problem, "afiled" is AFAIK not a known word, so please
> consider in the future to describe your problem, find a mathcing
> subject and after that people can help you
That is a common typo for "failed" (the a and f are interchanged). I
bet everyone has made a typo like that sometime in the past. Other such
comon typos could be missing letters, interchanging characters and
spaces at word boundaries, etc.
Yeah, you'd think someone who types things such as "find a mathcing"
would be able to figure that out. :-) :-)
--
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spelling an grammar erros on the cat sitting on my chest every time I sit down at the
computer....
10:52 a.m.
Allegedly, on or about 29 March 2013, Ed Greshko sent:
From now on, at least during winter time, Im going to blame all
spelling an grammar erros on the cat sitting on my chest every time I
sit down at the computer....
And this generates a strange mental picture... ;-)
Is it an anti-gravity cat? Are you sitting in a horizontal position?
And which way is the cat facing? ;-)
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trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the
public lists.
12:27 p.m.
New subject: Meta-discussions and the role of the Fedora Community
On Fri, 2013-03-29 at 16:09 +0000,
davidschaak1(a)mobilicity.blackberry.com wrote:
Once again sorry about the top post.
Afaik, there has never been a foo in the man pages. What I was referring to was the new
people find the jargon in them, if not intimidating, at least confusing, if they do not
know the jargon.
It was the same with some of howto's that were available in the 90's.
I am self taught, and there are plenty of gaps in my knowledge on the admin side of
things, and I am still learning.
Having been away from computers for quite some time, and these mail lists, my 2nd last
fedora install was fc 5. The helpfu improvement in the lists since the 90's is
unreal.
Just my 0.02
Dave
I think Dave is right. I have been a fedora fan for several years now,
and the change has been gradual, but sincere, and the improvement is
definitely noticeable
On the topic here, though, let me go to an extreme for a moment... I
have a friend who has been an admin for many many years. He is now
severely vision impaired. Whether or not you agree, having to follow a
thread using a screen reader or Dragon systems stuff (when he has to
resort to Windows) which contains one or more rants about the grammar or
the lack of supporting documentation is not helpful.
Moreover, a newbie may not have any idea of how to state his question in
technical terms. I agree though that the subject line "A question"
certainly is a turn off, but I always dutifully read the question to see
what the person needs. I also generally email them personally to let
them know that they need to put the actual question in the subject line.
And to give the error message if any and the action they see on the
computer in the body.
There is no need to chastise someone in public. A true leader follows a
simple maxim, Chastise in private, praise in public. Also if an apology
is warranted it should be done publicly.
This is just my 2 cents.
Les H
12:22 p.m.
On 03/29/2013 06:58 AM, Suvayu Ali wrote:
That is a common typo for "failed" (the a and f are
interchanged). I
bet everyone has made a typo like that sometime in the past. Other such
comon typos could be missing letters, interchanging characters and
spaces at word boundaries, etc.
*Snicker!* Including the examples you left in your reply? Personally,
I prefer to poorfraed my posts first, but YMMV.
10:43 a.m.
New subject: Meta-discussions and the role of the Fedora Community
El vie, 29-03-2013 a las 14:34 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan escribió:
On Fri, 2013-03-29 at 09:55 -0500, Steven Stern wrote:
> When people talk about choosing FOSS software like Fedora, "a strong
> community" is always cited.
>
> May we declare a moratorium on meta-discussions? If someone doesn't
> give enough info, ask them for more, and that's all. Going off on top
> posting, depth of quoting, typos, etc makes the list a hostile place.
>
> If you don't have something nice or helpful to say, don't say it.
If nobody ever says it, how do you expect newbies top learn?
> If you need more info, ask for it. If you suspect they don't know what
> they're doing, offer some assistance on how they can get that info.
>
> Quite frankly, if I were a newbie and I had a question and were met with
> such hostility, I'd think twice about all that stuff about the value of
> "the community".
>
> Thanks for listening.
Oh the humanity! You do realize you hijacked a thread to post this,
don't you?
poc
Oh! Really? I didn't realize it. What thread you say he hijacked? I
can't see it...
Regards,
Lailah
4:37 p.m.
New subject: Meta-discussions and the role of the Fedora Community
On Thu, 2013-04-04 at 22:27 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
> POC is trolling sometimes and even the thread starter began
> to believe he did a mistake while verybody with a useable
> mail-client can see that the new subject has it's own thread
ok - now i have to say sorry to POC in this case
Thank you.
poc
3:27 p.m.
New subject: Meta-discussions and the role of the Fedora Community
Am 04.04.2013 22:22, schrieb Reindl Harald:
> Oh! Really? I didn't realize it. What thread you say he
hijacked? I can't see it...
no one
POC is trolling sometimes and even the thread starter began
to believe he did a mistake while verybody with a useable
mail-client can see that the new subject has it's own thread
ok - now i have to say sorry to POC in this case
"Meta-discussions and the role of the Fedora Community" starts in the
middle of "auditd is afiled how to enable" and looked only like a own
thread caused by the search filter
and the critism belongs now TO YOU for a useless reply to a post
from 2013-03-29 nearly a week later and warm it up again
3:22 p.m.
New subject: Meta-discussions and the role of the Fedora Community
Am 04.04.2013 17:43, schrieb Lailah:
El vie, 29-03-2013 a las 14:34 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan
escribió:
> On Fri, 2013-03-29 at 09:55 -0500, Steven Stern wrote:
> > When people talk about choosing FOSS software like Fedora, "a strong
> > community" is always cited.
> >
> > May we declare a moratorium on meta-discussions? If someone doesn't
> > give enough info, ask them for more, and that's all. Going off on top
> > posting, depth of quoting, typos, etc makes the list a hostile place.
> >
> > If you don't have something nice or helpful to say, don't say it.
>
> If nobody ever says it, how do you expect newbies top learn?
>
> > If you need more info, ask for it. If you suspect they don't know what
> > they're doing, offer some assistance on how they can get that info.
> >
> > Quite frankly, if I were a newbie and I had a question and were met with
> > such hostility, I'd think twice about all that stuff about the value of
> > "the community".
> >
> > Thanks for listening.
>
> Oh the humanity! You do realize you hijacked a thread to post this,
> don't you?
>
> poc
Oh! Really? I didn't realize it. What thread you say he hijacked? I can't see
it...
no one
POC is trolling sometimes and even the thread starter began
to believe he did a mistake while verybody with a useable
mail-client can see that the new subject has it's own thread
7:49 a.m.
New subject: Meta-discussions and the role of the Fedora Community
Steven Stern wrote:
If you don't have something nice or helpful to say, don't say
it.
If you need more info, ask for it. If you suspect they don't know what
they're doing, offer some assistance on how they can get that info.
Quite frankly, if I were a newbie and I had a question and were met with
such hostility, I'd think twice about all that stuff about the value of
"the community".
Agreed. I would add: do not be a teacher if you are continuously upset
on students.
- Gergely
2:04 p.m.
New subject: Meta-discussions and the role of the Fedora Community
On Fri, 2013-03-29 at 09:55 -0500, Steven Stern wrote:
When people talk about choosing FOSS software like Fedora, "a
strong
community" is always cited.
May we declare a moratorium on meta-discussions? If someone doesn't
give enough info, ask them for more, and that's all. Going off on top
posting, depth of quoting, typos, etc makes the list a hostile place.
If you don't have something nice or helpful to say, don't say it.
If nobody ever says it, how do you expect newbies top learn?
If you need more info, ask for it. If you suspect they don't know
what
they're doing, offer some assistance on how they can get that info.
Quite frankly, if I were a newbie and I had a question and were met with
such hostility, I'd think twice about all that stuff about the value of
"the community".
Thanks for listening.
Oh the humanity! You do realize you hijacked a thread to post this,
don't you?
poc
2:20 p.m.
New subject: Meta-discussions and the role of the Fedora Community
On 03/29/2013 02:04 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
Oh the humanity! You do realize you hijacked a thread to post this,
don't you?
Yes. That was my mistake. I was going to reply in thread, then though I
should start a new one. But, I didn't create a new message, just changed
the header.
I've been waiting to get thumped for it.
At least I bottom posted this reply and didn't use an HTML message in MS
Comic Sans to reply.
And, I am using F18, not an out of date distro.
--
-- Steve
10:06 a.m.
New subject: Meta-discussions and the role of the Fedora Community
On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 09:55:28 -0500
Steven Stern <subscribed-lists(a)sterndata.com> wrote:
When people talk about choosing FOSS software like Fedora, "a strong
community" is always cited.
Not so sure Steven.
Always figured
"FOSS software - a strong community"
always pointed to active development,
not necessarily use.
May we declare a moratorium on meta-discussions? If someone
doesn't
give enough info, ask them for more, and that's all. Going off on
top posting, depth of quoting, typos, etc makes the list a hostile
place.
I agree to a point, with the proviso a link to the guidelines should
be provides re tp.
If you don't have something nice or helpful to say, don't say
it.
If you need more info, ask for it. If you suspect they don't know
what they're doing, offer some assistance on how they can get that
info.
Quite frankly, if I were a newbie and I had a question and were met
with such hostility, I'd think twice about all that stuff about the
value of "the community".
I lurked for three years, before asking a question.
to gain some small knowledge from trial and error.
In the past I've got as much a broiling on Win lists for tp,
whatever the place, a guide is a guide.
"Please stay on the trail, or you may eaten by a croc."
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Frank
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10:02 a.m.
New subject: Meta-discussions and the role of the Fedora Community
Am 29.03.2013 15:55, schrieb Steven Stern:
When people talk about choosing FOSS software like Fedora, "a
strong
community" is always cited.
May we declare a moratorium on meta-discussions? If someone doesn't
give enough info, ask them for more, and that's all. Going off on top
posting, depth of quoting, typos, etc makes the list a hostile place.
no, no and no again
if someone refuses to
* provide at least ANY information
* write a subject which describes the problem
* is hijacking threads
* ignores basics like not top-posting or starts with HTML messages
he has to learn it
and if someone starts MULTIPLE threads over days with no
information at all, with different subjects and so on he
has at least to understand quickly that with this way asking
questions he comes not far
http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
sad enough that people saw they need to write such "guidelines"
8:28 a.m.
Am 29.03.2013 13:56, schrieb Prashanth Kasula:
|[root@KM-WS151 /]# service sshd status
Redirecting to /bin/systemctl status sshd.service
sshd.service
Loaded: error (Reason: No such file or directory)
Active: failed since Fri, 29 Mar 2013 17:44:48 +0530; 33min ago
Main PID: 10063 (code=exited, status=255)
well, after get rid of top-posting "yum install openssh-server"
and what has this to do with auditd at all?
your subject "auditd is afiled how to enable" does not describe
your problem, "afiled" is AFAIK not a known word, so please
consider in the future to describe your problem, find a mathcing
subject and after that people can help you
starting multiple threads with the same missing informations
will not make things better and in reality results in get
ignored by the majority of users, especially if you are
hijacking others threads
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Reindl Harald
<h.reindl(a)thelounge.net <mailto:h.reindl@thelounge.net>> wrote:
Am 29.03.2013 12:45, schrieb Prashanth Kasula:
> For sshd service there is a problem in enabling auditd service.if any one knows
the process please let us know.
STOP TO START EACH DAY MULTIPLE THREADS WITHOUT ANY INFORMATIONS
FOR THE SAME PROBLEM - LEARN TO PROVIDE INFORMATIONS!
"For sshd service there is a problem in enabling auditd service"
makes no sense at all because both are independent services
* what is your input
* what is the output
* what does "systemctl status name.service" say
* what does /var/log/messages say
* what does /var/log/secure say
8:18 a.m.
On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 18:26:13 +0530
Prashanth Kasula <prashanthkasula(a)gmail.com> wrote:
[root@KM-WS151 /]# service sshd status
Redirecting to /bin/systemctl status sshd.service
sshd.service
Loaded: error (Reason: No such file or directory)
Active: failed since Fri, 29 Mar 2013 17:44:48 +0530;
33min ago Main PID: 10063 (code=exited, status=255)
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Reindl Harald
<h.reindl(a)thelounge.net>wrote:
rpm -q openssh-server
--
Regards,
Frank
http//www.frankly3d.com
11:12 a.m.
On 03/29/13 23:52, Tim wrote:
Allegedly, on or about 29 March 2013, Ed Greshko sent:
> From now on, at least during winter time, Im going to blame all
> spelling an grammar erros on the cat sitting on my chest every time I
> sit down at the computer....
And this generates a strange mental picture... ;-)
Is it an anti-gravity cat? Are you sitting in a horizontal position?
And which way is the cat facing? ;-)
I have extremely poor posture. Lucky for her I have a small "bump" above
the waist which keeps her from sliding off. Lucky for me she faces towards me and to the
right. ;-)
--
From now on, at least during winter time, Im going to blame all
spelling an grammar erros on the cat sitting on my chest every time I sit down at the
computer....
11:09 a.m.
New subject: Meta-discussions and the role of the Fedora Community
Once again sorry about the top post.
Afaik, there has never been a foo in the man pages. What I was referring to was the new
people find the jargon in them, if not intimidating, at least confusing, if they do not
know the jargon.
It was the same with some of howto's that were available in the 90's.
I am self taught, and there are plenty of gaps in my knowledge on the admin side of
things, and I am still learning.
Having been away from computers for quite some time, and these mail lists, my 2nd last
fedora install was fc 5. The helpfu improvement in the lists since the 90's is
unreal.
Just my 0.02
Dave
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Subject: Re: Meta-discussions and the role of the Fedora Community
On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 15:04:22 +0000
davidschaak1(a)mobilicity.blackberry.com wrote:
I
can also remember a time on these support lists that the usual
response to new users questions was 'RTFM'. The manuals were and
still are very technical in jargon that are not very helpful unless
one knows the jargon.
I agree on the man pages,
but is that not part of the whole Agile discipline,
which was in *nix before Agile came about. iirc.
I personally love an example, over a man foo
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10:27 a.m.
New subject: Meta-discussions and the role of the Fedora Community
On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 15:04:22 +0000
davidschaak1(a)mobilicity.blackberry.com wrote:
I
can also remember a time on these support lists that the usual
response to new users questions was 'RTFM'. The manuals were and
still are very technical in jargon that are not very helpful unless
one knows the jargon.
I agree on the man pages,
but is that not part of the whole Agile discipline,
which was in *nix before Agile came about. iirc.
I personally love an example, over a man foo
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7:56 a.m.
[root@KM-WS151 /]# service sshd status
Redirecting to /bin/systemctl status sshd.service
sshd.service
Loaded: error (Reason: No such file or directory)
Active: failed since Fri, 29 Mar 2013 17:44:48 +0530; 33min ago
Main PID: 10063 (code=exited, status=255)
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl(a)thelounge.net>wrote:
Am 29.03.2013 12:45, schrieb Prashanth Kasula:
> For sshd service there is a problem in enabling auditd service.if any
one knows the process please let us know.
STOP TO START EACH DAY MULTIPLE THREADS WITHOUT ANY INFORMATIONS
FOR THE SAME PROBLEM - LEARN TO PROVIDE INFORMATIONS!
"For sshd service there is a problem in enabling auditd service"
makes no sense at all because both are independent services
* what is your input
* what is the output
* what does "systemctl status name.service" say
* what does /var/log/messages say
* what does /var/log/secure say
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7:11 a.m.
On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 12:57:51 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 29.03.2013 12:45, schrieb Prashanth Kasula:
> For sshd service there is a problem in enabling auditd service.if any one knows the
process please let us know.
STOP TO START EACH DAY MULTIPLE THREADS WITHOUT ANY INFORMATIONS
FOR THE SAME PROBLEM - LEARN TO PROVIDE INFORMATIONS!
"For sshd service there is a problem in enabling auditd service"
makes no sense at all because both are independent services
* what is your input
* what is the output
* what does "systemctl status name.service" say
* what does /var/log/messages say
* what does /var/log/secure say
Perhaps it's a better idea to open a single topic at
http://ask.fedoraproject.org
and wait for answers there. prashanthkasula has not replied to any of
his several threads on this mailing-list so far.
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6:57 a.m.
Am 29.03.2013 12:45, schrieb Prashanth Kasula:
For sshd service there is a problem in enabling auditd service.if any
one knows the process please let us know.
STOP TO START EACH DAY MULTIPLE THREADS WITHOUT ANY INFORMATIONS
FOR THE SAME PROBLEM - LEARN TO PROVIDE INFORMATIONS!
"For sshd service there is a problem in enabling auditd service"
makes no sense at all because both are independent services
* what is your input
* what is the output
* what does "systemctl status name.service" say
* what does /var/log/messages say
* what does /var/log/secure say
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