upgrade FC5

[Thufir]

It seems impossible to upgrade FC5 without a clean install -- is that 
essentially correct?  If I did decide to stick with FC5, how, generally, 
would I go about installing java or other rpm's?  Manually downloading?

Can I connect up FC5 with:

http://livna-dl.reloumirrors.net/fedora/5/i386/


thanks,

Thufir

[Bill Davidsen]

Thufir wrote:
>  It seems impossible to upgrade FC5 without a clean install -- is that
>
>  essentially correct?  If I did decide to stick with FC5, how, generally, 
>  would I go about installing java or other rpm's?  Manually downloading?
>  
>  Can I connect up FC5 with:
>  
>  http://livna-dl.reloumirrors.net/fedora/5/i386/
>   
Assuming that exists you might, and you could get some software which is five 
years out of date. But unless you have a very good reason to stay with FC5 I 
would do a clean install of a newer version. I would download the FC12 Live-CD 
and see how it runs on this hardware before installing anything, over half of 
the machine I have running FC12 took video tweaks to get any display.

-- 
Bill Davidsen <davidsen(a)tmr.com&gt;
   "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
the machinations of the wicked."  - from Slashdot

[Patrick Bartek]

--- On Wed, 3/24/10, Thufir <hawat.thufir(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  It seems impossible to upgrade FC5
>  without a clean install -- is that 
>  essentially correct?  If I did decide to stick with
>  FC5, how, generally, 
>  would I go about installing java or other rpm's? 
>  Manually downloading? 
By "upgrade", do you mean "update"?

When you "upgrade" a Fedora distro you're going to a higher version number
like 6 or 9, etc.  The system files of FC5 are replaced by those system files of the newer
distro, and it becomes the newer, upgraded version.  It is no longer Fedora Core 5.

When you "update" a distro, it is still the same distro version but with bug
fixes, security, newer system files and apps applied.

Which is it that you're trying to do with FC5?

I've ALWAYS experienced problems "upgrading" even to as little as the next
version number, and, now, always do clean installs.  Saves me a lot of time and
headaches.

Yes, you can download and manually install old or contemporary rpms, etc., but you'll
have to manually rectify all the dependencies, too, and even then they still may not work.


>  Can I connect up FC5 with:
>  
>  http://livna-dl.reloumirrors.net/fedora/5/i386/ 
If this is an FC5 repository, then yes, probably.  However, you'll need to create a
repo file in /etc/yum.repos.d.  Although, livna is a 3rd party repo and doesn't
contain the primary system files and applications of the main FC5 repos.

The following link may be of help:

   http://www.mjmwired.net/resources/

FWIW, FC5 is long obsolete and no longer supported.  If you plan to use Fedora
extensively, take my advice, install a newer, still supported version.

B

[John Aldrich]

Quoting Thufir <hawat.thufir(a)gmail.com&gt;:

>  It seems impossible to upgrade FC5 without a clean install -- is
> that
>  essentially correct?  If I did decide to stick with FC5, how, generally,
>  would I go about installing java or other rpm's?  Manually downloading?
>
>  Can I connect up FC5 with:
>
>  http://livna-dl.reloumirrors.net/fedora/5/i386/
>
>  
Dude... FC5 is so old, you're really better off backing up your  
personal data (if you don't have a separate "home" partition) and any  
scripts,etc and reinstalling a newer version. FC5 is not supported any  
more and any apps you might download to run are probably not going to  
work as the versions of libraries are seriously outdated.

[NoSpaze]

Am Mittwoch, den 24.03.2010, 07:07 +0000 schrieb Thufir:
>  It seems impossible to upgrade FC5 without a clean install -- is that
>
>  essentially correct? 
It all depends on time. If you want to spent days fixing upgrade issues
between versions, no. If you want to write "yum upgrade f12", yes.

>  If I did decide to stick with FC5, how, generally, 
>  would I go about installing java or other rpm's?  Manually downloading? 
Installing fc5 rpms is easy, but again, other software would need time
and skills.

>  Can I connect up FC5 with:
>  
>  http://livna-dl.reloumirrors.net/fedora/5/i386/ 
Yes (do you know what "connect" means?).

:)
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[Tim]

On Wed, 2010-03-24 at 07:07 +0000, Thufir wrote:
>  It seems impossible to upgrade FC5 without a clean install -- is that
>
>  essentially correct?  
Why don't you want to clean install?  Someone may have a good answer to
help you do it, or overcome the problem.

Upgrades over the top often involve hours, or days, of fixing up
problems.  Having to upgrade through several releases, just to get
through to the latest one, even more so.

Backing up, wiping out, clean installing, extracting old configuration
files and modifying the new ones to do the same thing, and importing old
data, may actually take less time (been there, done that, it's been the
easiest option for me).

>  If I did decide to stick with FC5, how, generally, would I go about
>  installing java or other rpm's?  Manually downloading? 
If something's not available precompiled for your OS, you'd download the
source code, and try compiling it yourself (hoping that you can find all
the bits you need to make it work - which may not be possible with
really old systems).  If the source code isn't available, then you
probably won't be able to do it.

>  Can I connect up FC5 with:
>  
>  http://livna-dl.reloumirrors.net/fedora/5/i386/ 
Not sure what you mean by "connect up" with that mirror, but that mirror
has only got *some* files for Fedora (extra packages that Fedora cannot
supply, itself for legal or ethical reasons).
-- 
[tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r
2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686

Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored.  I
read messages from the public lists.

[Thufir]

On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:24:39 +1030, Tim wrote:

>  On Wed, 2010-03-24 at 07:07 +0000, Thufir wrote:
> > It seems impossible to upgrade FC5 without a clean install -- is that
> > essentially correct?
>  
>  Why don't you want to clean install?  Someone may have a good answer to
>  help you do it, or overcome the problem. 

Kinda strange situation.  All the pc's in this one room are dual boot, 
which is, I think, a forgotten IT project.  In any event, I went to 
single user to reset the password to gain access, just out of curiosity.  
I'm just not sure about a clean install in that, yes, harmless, but seems 
a bit more egregious than resetting a password.


-Thufir