the inverted question mark on the fedoraproject start page is backwards and it looks weird

[David Shea]

I guess that's a font issue? This is with the firefox and fonts that 
come with Fedora, though, so it's at least a Fedora issue if not exactly 
a web issue.

Screenshot of what I'm talking about: 
http://dshea.fedorapeople.org/%C2%BF.jpg   the first item in the Planet 
Fedora column.

[Matthew Miller]

On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 08:51:43AM -0400, David Shea wrote:
>  I guess that's a font issue? This is with the firefox and fonts
> that
>  come with Fedora, though, so it's at least a Fedora issue if not
>  exactly a web issue.
>  Screenshot of what I'm talking about:
>  http://dshea.fedorapeople.org/%C2%BF.jpg   the first item in the
>  Planet Fedora column. 
I'm not quite sure what's going on there. The font is Cantarell, and on my
system, the inverted question mark in Cantarell looks just fine (although
placed kind of weirdly low, with the bottom of the curve sitting on the
beardline).

What version of Fedora do you have, and what version of the font is
installed? (`rpm -q abattis-cantarell-fonts`)

-- 
Matthew Miller    --   Fedora Project    --    <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
                                  "Tepid change for the somewhat better!"

[Robert Mayr]

Il 30/mag/2014 02:47 "Matthew Miller" <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; ha
scritto:
>  On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 08:51:43AM -0400, David Shea wrote:
>  > I guess that's a font issue? This is with the firefox and fonts that
>  > come with Fedora, though, so it's at least a Fedora issue if not
>  > exactly a web issue.
>  > Screenshot of what I'm talking about:
>  > http://dshea.fedorapeople.org/%C2%BF.jpg   the first item in the
>  > Planet Fedora column.
>
>  I'm not quite sure what's going on there. The font is Cantarell, and on my
>  system, the inverted question mark in Cantarell looks just fine (although
>  placed kind of weirdly low, with the bottom of the curve sitting on the
>  beardline).
>
>  What version of Fedora do you have, and what version of the font is
>  installed? (`rpm -q abattis-cantarell-fonts`)
>
>  --
>  Matthew Miller    --   Fedora Project    --    <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
>                                    "Tepid change for the somewhat better!"
This issue should not depend on the font, it's an encoding issue. Probably
the blog used a special character in the title of the post which couldn't
be displayed properly. In those cases an inverted question mark is shown.
Maybe I can have a look later on the specific post to see if that is really
the problem, because actually the post is not shown anymore on start.fpo.

Robert Mayr
(robyduck)

[David Shea]

On 05/30/2014 01:54 AM, Robert Mayr wrote:
>  Il 30/mag/2014 02:47 "Matthew Miller" <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org 
>  <mailto:[e-mail]>> ha scritto:
>  >
>  > On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 08:51:43AM -0400, David Shea wrote:
>  > > I guess that's a font issue? This is with the firefox and fonts that
>  > > come with Fedora, though, so it's at least a Fedora issue if not
>  > > exactly a web issue.
>  > > Screenshot of what I'm talking about:
>  > > http://dshea.fedorapeople.org/%C2%BF.jpg   the first item in the
>  > > Planet Fedora column.
>  >
>  > I'm not quite sure what's going on there. The font is Cantarell, and 
>  on my
>  > system, the inverted question mark in Cantarell looks just fine 
>  (although
>  > placed kind of weirdly low, with the bottom of the curve sitting on the
>  > beardline).
>  >
>  > What version of Fedora do you have, and what version of the font is
>  > installed? (`rpm -q abattis-cantarell-fonts`)
>  >
>  > --
>  > Matthew Miller    --   Fedora Project    --   
>   <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org <mailto:[e-mail]>>
>  >                                   "Tepid change for the somewhat 
>  better!"
>
>  This issue should not depend on the font, it's an encoding issue. 
>  Probably the blog used a special character in the title of the post 
>  which couldn't be displayed properly. In those cases an inverted 
>  question mark is shown.
>  Maybe I can have a look later on the specific post to see if that is 
>  really the problem, because actually the post is not shown anymore on 
>  start.fpo.
>  
It was still in my cached copy, so I can confirm that the character it's 
trying to display is just a normal inverted question mark (U+00BF).

dshea@dshea-laptop:~$ rpm -q abattis-cantarell-fonts
abattis-cantarell-fonts-0.0.15-1.fc20.noarch

Poking at it in the element inspector, firefox says "Cantarell Regular 
remote" for the font, using 
http://start.fedoraproject.org/static/css/fonts/Cantarell-Regular-webfont... 
as the remote URL. If fontmatrix can be trusted (I don't really know 
what a good way to view arbitrary characters in a font file is), this 
particular font renders an inverted question mark as open on the left, 
while the Cantarell Regular I have on my system renders it as open on 
the right.

[Elad Alfassa]

On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 3:23 PM, David Shea <dshea(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  If fontmatrix can be trusted (I don't really know what a good way to view
>  arbitrary characters in a font file is), this particular font renders an
>  inverted question mark as open on the left, while the Cantarell Regular I
>  have on my system renders it as open on the right.
>
>  
Seems that the version of Cantarell we use as a webfont is outdated.

-- 
-Elad Alfassa.

[Robert Mayr]

2014-05-30 17:37 GMT+02:00 Elad Alfassa <elad(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
>  On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 3:23 PM, David Shea <dshea(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
> >
> > If fontmatrix can be trusted (I don't really know what a good way to view
> > arbitrary characters in a font file is), this particular font renders an
> > inverted question mark as open on the left, while the Cantarell Regular I
> > have on my system renders it as open on the right.
> >
>
>  Seems that the version of Cantarell we use as a webfont is outdated.
>
>  --
>  -Elad Alfassa. 
Thanks Elad,
I filed a ticket [1] to update the webfont, this should solve the issue.

[1] https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-websites/ticket/266

-- 
Robert Mayr
(robyduck)

[Ryan Lerch]

On Fri 30 May 2014 12:37:06 EDT, Robert Mayr wrote:
>  2014-05-30 17:37 GMT+02:00 Elad Alfassa
> <elad(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 3:23 PM, David Shea <dshea(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
> >>
> >> If fontmatrix can be trusted (I don't really know what a good way to view
> >> arbitrary characters in a font file is), this particular font renders an
> >> inverted question mark as open on the left, while the Cantarell Regular I
> >> have on my system renders it as open on the right.
> >>
> >
> > Seems that the version of Cantarell we use as a webfont is outdated.
> >
> > --
> > -Elad Alfassa.
>
>  Thanks Elad,
>  I filed a ticket [1] to update the webfont, this should solve the issue.
>
>  [1] https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-websites/ticket/266
>  
itr seems it is outdated on the google webfonts directory also. that is 
where i assume the webfont got snagged from