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00:02:22 <Sparks> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings#Agenda_for_Next_Meeting
00:02:30 <Sparks> Roll Call!
00:02:30 * Sparks is here
00:02:38 * danielsmw is present
00:02:50 * Tsagadai is present
00:02:53 * ianweller
00:02:54 * joat is too
00:03:07 * jjmcd is here as well
00:03:38 * ianweller is *still* here
00:04:22 * rudi is here
00:05:42 <Sparks> Good turn out... still waiting for stickster and quaid
00:05:51 <jjmcd> and poelcat
00:06:00 <Sparks> and ke4qqq
00:06:17 * stickster is here for a few minutes
00:06:32 <stickster> Sparks: Did poelcat know about the schedule item?
00:06:52 <Sparks> I thought
00:07:01 <stickster> IOW, did someone let him know?
00:07:29 <Sparks> specifically about this meeting? I didn't.
00:07:46 <stickster> I don't know how he was supposed to know to be here then
00:07:47 <Sparks> He's not on IRC ATM
00:08:12 <stickster> He's logged in, just not around here
00:08:21 <Sparks> Wasn't he here last week when we pushed the calendar to this week?
00:08:29 <stickster> Not sure, I wasn't either :-D
00:08:30 * ke4qqq is here
00:08:31 <stickster> But anyhow
00:08:39 <stickster> Let's move on and see if he comes in later
00:08:45 * quaid pops in
00:08:48 <stickster> I pinged him
00:08:57 * Sparks was on the wrong IRC server
00:09:17 * stickster waves to quaid
00:09:23 <Sparks> Okay, let's get going!
00:09:27 <Sparks> #topic Status on CMS (Zikula) <-- ke4qqq
00:09:32 <Sparks> ke4qqq: Where are you?
00:09:37 <ke4qqq> right here
00:09:46 <Sparks> ke4qqq: Where are we on zikula?
00:10:15 <ke4qqq> getting very close WRT packaging - -Content is the big outstanding one I think
00:10:26 <ke4qqq> and we need mediashare
00:10:34 <ke4qqq> I'll try and get mediashare done by tonight
00:10:42 <ke4qqq> and get everything that's up for review done
00:10:47 <ke4qqq> as well
00:11:06 * Sparks didn't add his poll packages to the Zikula ticket as they weren't required.
00:11:09 <ke4qqq> and we still have the fedora specific stuff which I am trying to get uploaded now
00:11:34 <stickster> ke4qqq: If there's anything lacking by tomorrow, let me know -- I can spend some time on this Friday if needed.
00:11:47 * stickster blocked out time with ianweller to make sure packages are reviewed and pushed
00:11:53 <ke4qqq> outstanding!
00:13:14 <Sparks> Cool
00:13:38 <Sparks> Are all the "Need to Package" tickets assigned and being handled?
00:13:41 <stickster> News is done, by the way, awaiting review
00:13:54 <stickster> .bug 512027
00:13:56 <Sparks> stickster++
00:13:56 <buggbot> Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=512027 medium, medium, ---, nobody, NEW, Review Request: zikula-module-News - Manages news articles on your Zikula site
00:13:57 <buggbot> Bug 512027: medium, medium, ---, nobody, NEW, Review Request: zikula-module-News - Manages news articles on your Zikula site
00:13:57 <ke4qqq> Sparks: the mediashare I don't know if it is done
00:14:16 <stickster> Hmm, those bots need to figure out who's on first.
00:14:19 <Sparks> I seem to remember that one had some problems?
00:14:46 <stickster> Sparks: We really need to set up dedicated time to go through these one by one.
00:14:48 <ke4qqq> Sparks: it needed several dependencies which I think stickster took care of most of, and I took care of the other one
00:15:02 <stickster> i.e. bug review for packages for those that aren't closed
00:15:11 <stickster> Maybe ianweller and I can make that a focus for Friday.
00:15:20 <ianweller> Friday Focus(tm)
00:15:32 * stickster prefers a methodical approach so we don't wonder, "Didn't we... did you...?" later..
00:15:59 <Sparks> stickster: I agree. Put me down for Friday. I'll see what my calendar looks like tomorrow
00:16:04 <ke4qqq> +1 the scope is just a bit large at the moment and I don't think any of us have spent the time looking at all ~20 tickts/packages.
00:16:11 <ianweller> stickster: who are you again?
00:16:11 <ianweller> ;)
00:16:26 <stickster> The guy who capitalizes stuff
00:16:32 <ianweller> everything but your nick
00:16:47 <ianweller> moving on!
00:16:49 <ianweller> :)
00:17:12 <Sparks> Okay... anything else on the Zikula stuff?
00:17:22 <stickster> So ACTION - ianweller, stickster, Sparks(?), ke4qqq(?) to look at status with a magnifying glass on Friday
00:17:54 <Sparks> #ACTION ianweller stickster Sparks ke4qqq to look at status on Zikula on Friday to make sure everything is getting done.
00:18:24 * ianweller isn't sure if it takes CAPITALIZED commands
00:18:31 <Sparks> #action ianweller stickster Sparks ke4qqq to look at status on Zikula on Friday to make sure everything is getting done.
00:18:39 <Sparks> #lights #camera
00:18:40 <stickster> We'll soon find out ;-)
00:19:00 <jjmcd> C programmers - sheesh
00:19:06 <Sparks> Okay... Moving on...
00:19:29 <Sparks> #topic Status on CC license discussion. <--quaid
00:19:34 <Sparks> #link http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/us/
00:19:54 <Sparks> quaid: What do you have for us tonight?
00:20:56 * Sparks thought quaid was here
00:21:26 * ianweller thought so too
00:21:26 * ke4qqq is stepping away for a moment
00:21:35 <stickster> I think it works when you say: quaid quaid quaid quaid quaid
00:21:36 <stickster> Like that.
00:21:41 <Sparks> Oh
00:21:49 <Sparks> quaid quaid quaid quaid quaid
00:22:01 <ianweller> quack quack quack quack quack
00:22:18 <stickster> So Sparks, what was the holdover from the last meeting on this topic?
00:22:41 <Sparks> the last meeting was week 1... we were waiting for the sky to fall
00:22:45 <Sparks> but it didn't
00:23:10 <stickster> Right, and we set a 2 week call for input, right?
00:23:14 <Sparks> yes
00:23:17 * stickster overuses "right," right?
00:23:21 <Sparks> right
00:23:23 <Sparks> correct
00:23:24 <stickster> Heh
00:23:34 <stickster> I haven't personally seen any odd input.
00:23:41 <stickster> No even input, either.
00:23:46 <Sparks> I haven't personally seen any input
00:24:01 <stickster> If it were my call, I would say that the time for input is over and the time for action is now.
00:24:03 <Sparks> Does anyone have any input?
00:24:16 * danielsmw doesn't.
00:24:37 <Sparks> MOTION: I say we make everything written CC-BY-SA v3.
00:24:39 <stickster> I don't know what's happening internally with RH Content Services though, quaid was mediating that
00:24:43 <ianweller> second
00:24:47 <Sparks> +1
00:24:53 <ianweller> +1
00:24:57 <joat> +1
00:24:59 <danielsmw> +1
00:25:46 <Tsagadai> +1 for new stuff
00:26:22 * stickster tries to remember how zodbot is commanded here... "resolved?"
00:26:30 <Sparks> #agreed All documenation will be changed to a CC-BY-SA v3 license.
00:26:35 <stickster> yeah, that's the ticket.
00:26:51 * Sparks waits for all the confetti and ticker tape to stop falling
00:27:01 * danielsmw observers that the confetti stopped.
00:27:09 * danielsmw s/observers/observed/
00:27:21 <Sparks> Okay... moving on
00:27:29 <Sparks> ke4qqq: You back?
00:28:31 <Sparks> #topic Outstanding BZ Tickets
00:28:42 <Sparks> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&classificat...
00:29:03 <quaid> *sigh*
00:29:08 <quaid> you guys never need me when I'm on this screen
00:29:10 <Sparks> There are 23 tickets that haven't been assigned. Please go through them and see what you can work on.
00:29:25 <Sparks> quaid: We called and quacked but you didn't come
00:29:39 <quaid> yeah, I see that _now_
00:29:48 <Sparks> jjmcd: There are a few tickets in there for the RNs
00:30:24 <jjmcd> Yep, I thought I grabbed most of them. Having some git issues a week or so ago, expect to come up for air Friday (finally)
00:30:43 <Sparks> I'm going to start assigning them on Friday so if you want something cool better roger up for it now! :)
00:30:54 * stickster is going to close his if he doesn't get input from f13 or jeremy
00:30:54 <jjmcd> I thought it would be tomorrow but I gotta go up to gladwin for a funeral
00:31:16 <jjmcd> yeah, most of the rn ones are straightforward
00:31:17 <stickster> .bug 474368 by the way
00:31:19 <buggbot> Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=474368 medium, low, ---, stickster, NEW, Live CDs README says wrong minimal memory requirement
00:31:38 <stickster> Ha, zodbot, you lose
00:32:53 <Sparks> So there are 23 NEW tickets and 58 tickets in process. Let's see if we can clean that up some before next week.
00:33:28 <Sparks> Anyone have anything else?
00:33:36 <Sparks> ke4qqq: You back?
00:33:39 <stickster> Sorry, miskey here
00:34:01 * stickster has to run away now that he fixed what he done broke
00:34:08 <Sparks> bah
00:34:17 <Sparks> #topic F12 Calendar <-- poelcat
00:34:27 <Sparks> Does anyone have any input on the F12 calendar?
00:34:56 <ianweller> do you have a link?
00:35:12 * Sparks thinks someone hasn't been paying attention
00:35:29 <ianweller> i have my hands in about 500 subprojects, what do you expect :)
00:35:40 <Sparks> ianweller: for you to know where the F12 calendar is.
00:35:48 <Sparks> I actually don't have that link handy right this second.
00:35:54 <Sparks> I've been using the iCal.
00:36:00 <ianweller> :-o
00:36:04 <Sparks> I'll push it on the list later.
00:36:21 <Sparks> anyone else?
00:36:28 <rudi> http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-docs-and-trans-tasks...
00:36:36 <Sparks> rudi++
00:37:31 * ianweller has nothing
00:38:11 <Sparks> #topic Guide needs?
00:38:19 <Sparks> User Guide
00:38:19 <Sparks> #link https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2009-July/msg00034.html
00:38:22 <Sparks> #link https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2009-July/msg00039.html
00:38:30 <Sparks> danielsmw: What do you have for the User Guide?
00:38:39 <danielsmw> Well, one thing I have
00:38:46 <danielsmw> I take that back
00:38:50 <danielsmw> I have a lot more than one thiing.
00:39:09 <danielsmw> Um... so rudi's response on the list if you saw it was very good (it's the latter link)
00:39:21 <danielsmw> And a lot of whats in that document is where I want to go with the UG.
00:39:45 <danielsmw> So the plan in my head is to completely start from scratch, and pull in the old content that we want to use on a case-by-case basis
00:39:53 <ianweller> (+1)
00:40:05 <danielsmw> so we aren't abandoning the old content, but we're bringing it in to a new format so to speak.
00:40:08 <Sparks> Wow, now that's a makeover
00:40:15 <danielsmw> Yeah, it is.
00:40:18 <danielsmw> But I think it really needs it.
00:40:26 <rudi> danielsmw -- that's definitely the easiest way to do it
00:40:44 <danielsmw> Since I took the thing over for F8
00:40:55 <danielsmw> it's really just been changed slightly every release
00:41:06 <danielsmw> and it's become somewhat less easy to manage as it is.
00:41:14 <danielsmw> It's needs a cleanup makeover.
00:41:16 <danielsmw> So that's the plan.
00:41:19 <danielsmw> Also, as a side note,
00:41:33 <Sparks> danielsmw: Do you have the help/resources you need to make it happen?
00:41:50 * rudi is happy to help out with the Publican XML skeleton
00:41:59 <danielsmw> Sparks: not formally
00:42:05 <Sparks> danielsmw: cool
00:42:22 <danielsmw> But anyway, I was thinking... I'm not sure that User Guide is an appropriate name.
00:42:30 <danielsmw> If we go this new route per rudi's suggestions and my thoughts.
00:42:39 <ianweller> Do Stuff Guide
00:42:41 <danielsmw> Because it would be more like a mixture of an FAQ and a cookbook
00:42:54 <danielsmw> Like a Fedora Desktop Cookbook
00:42:55 <danielsmw> or something
00:42:59 <Sparks> cool
00:42:59 <ianweller> ooh i like that.
00:43:04 <ianweller> very much like that.
00:43:08 <danielsmw> thanks ianweller :)
00:43:19 <danielsmw> One other poll question
00:43:27 <danielsmw> The audience for this document....
00:43:57 <danielsmw> I was thinking about this: is it for the previously computerless new user? or is it for someone who probably new what they were doing in windows and wants to get involved in linux now?
00:44:10 <ianweller> both.
00:44:17 <danielsmw> ianweller: that's what i was afraid of
00:44:19 <rudi> I agree, both
00:44:24 <ianweller> danielsmw: i know it's scary
00:44:34 <danielsmw> Okay, that's still fine.
00:44:44 <rudi> Buuut, don't overestimate the degree to which "they knew what they were doing in Windows"
00:44:54 <danielsmw> lol
00:45:05 <danielsmw> I'm not sure how much one can know what they're doing in windows,
00:45:07 <danielsmw> but i get what you mean.
00:45:07 <rudi> I didn't mean that in an entirely cynical way
00:45:21 <danielsmw> Right
00:45:22 <danielsmw> But I mean
00:45:38 <danielsmw> I don't need to explain mouse usage or how to insert a CD.
00:45:39 <rudi> More that 90% of people spend 90% of their time at their home/small business computers doing the same small number of tasks
00:45:56 <rudi> There's an element of self-selection here...
00:45:56 <Sparks> packaging?
00:46:26 <danielsmw> Oh, and as for contributing upstream
00:46:31 <rudi> I think those things are at an even more basic level than we can really cater to
00:46:32 <danielsmw> per rudi's email's suggestion
00:46:39 <danielsmw> I think that will be more doable in the new format as well.
00:46:44 <danielsmw> As would be pulling from downstream.
00:46:50 <danielsmw> So that could help a lot with the rewriting process.
00:47:26 * rudi emphasises that wherever we can reuse existing text, we need to make an effort to do so, to ease the load on l10n
00:47:36 <danielsmw> rudi: understood
00:47:47 <danielsmw> And with that, the brevity drought I tend to bring on is at an end.
00:48:46 <Sparks> Cool
00:49:04 <Sparks> Anyone have anything for the User Guide/Fedora Desktop Cookbook?
00:49:27 * rudi really dislikes the "Cookbook" title, but will take it to the mailing list
00:50:06 <Sparks> noted
00:50:15 <Sparks> Okay... I have a request for the Security Guide
00:50:50 <Sparks> So I finally got it approved and submitted the SRPM but it fails to build in koji.
00:51:04 <Sparks> #link http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/getfile?taskID=1474242&name=build.log
00:51:21 <Sparks> Being that this should affect all Publican patches I'm trying to get it figured out.
00:51:25 <Sparks> I just don't understand this one.
00:52:08 <Sparks> So if anyone has any ideas please get with me after the meeting
00:52:18 <Sparks> Anyone have anything else for existing guides?
00:52:59 <Sparks> #topic New Guides
00:53:02 <Sparks> Tsagadai: Go
00:53:31 <Tsagadai> yes
00:54:05 <Tsagadai> I have been writing the Virtualization Guide for some time
00:54:21 <Tsagadai> It's time to send the good stuff upstream
00:55:03 <Sparks> Tsagadai: what format? DocBook?
00:55:09 <Tsagadai> Docbook
00:55:14 <Tsagadai> about 300 pages :)
00:55:20 <rudi> (and already Publicanized)
00:55:30 <Sparks> +1000
00:56:15 <ianweller> +9000
00:56:40 <Sparks> Tsagadai: We can set you up on docs.fp.o if you like
00:56:55 <Tsagadai> that would be great
00:57:41 <Sparks> Tsagadai: Great. We'll get you setup tonight
00:57:41 <rudi> Tsagadai -- you should also open an infra ticket to get the code hosted
00:58:05 <Tsagadai> link please?
00:58:30 <rudi> Tsagadai -- I'll walk you through it after the meeting :)
00:58:32 <Tsagadai> to host on fh.o?
00:58:39 * danielsmw has to leave a bit early; peace.
00:58:51 <rudi> Yeah, so you can get Transifex hooked into it as well
00:58:58 <Tsagadai> ah
00:59:25 * ianweller notes we have 35 seconds left in the hour
00:59:26 <Tsagadai> So the Fedora Virtualization Guide is approved for F12?
00:59:38 <Sparks> Tsagadai: Go ahead and build the html, html-single, and PDF and we'll get all that uploaded tonight to docs.fp.o.
00:59:47 <Sparks> Tsagadai: WORKSFORME
00:59:49 <Sparks> :)
01:00:00 <Sparks> Anyone have anything for the Virtualization Guide?
01:00:57 <Sparks> Tsagadai: Thank you for bringing this to us tonight.
01:01:04 <Sparks> Any other new guides?
01:01:07 * rudi has been sketching out the Installation Quick Start Guide, but the skeleton's not quite ready yet.
01:01:27 <Sparks> rudi: Have you seen the screenshots on the wiki?
01:01:31 <rudi> Yes
01:01:52 <Sparks> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Installing_Fedora_11_Leonidas
01:01:57 <Sparks> ^^^ for those that haven't
01:02:35 <Sparks> rudi: Anything else on that?
01:02:44 <rudi> Nothing at this stage
01:02:51 <Sparks> ok
01:03:02 <rudi> I hoped to have something ready for today, but don't :)
01:03:04 <Sparks> Tsagadai: Almost forgot... Can you add your guide to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings#Guides, please?
01:03:13 <Tsagadai> sure
01:03:22 <Sparks> Okay...
01:03:34 <Sparks> #topic All other business
01:03:42 <Sparks> Anyone have anything they want to discuss?
01:05:30 * jjmcd moves to adjourn
01:05:37 <Sparks> nAnyone?
01:05:48 <Sparks> Thanks everyone for coming!
01:05:50 <Sparks> #endmeeting
Sorry about my lag time on one of the modules I was assigned
(mediashare, BZ 506038). Out of the three dependency libs, Looks like
Nick has phpFlickr under control. I picked up my dropped ball on
php-LightweightPicasaAPI this weekend (BZ 505942), and also packaged
the last, phpSmug (BZ 510979).
Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/
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http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug
"Paul W. Frields" <stickster(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:06:52AM +1000, Ruediger Landmann wrote:
>> Some thoughts on the UG, based on what I saw while converting it to build
>> in Publican and publishing it for the F11 release:
> This is one of the best summaries I've seen about where the UG might
> go in the future to become an invaluable resource to users.
I think we should turn it into a UG specification sheet and put it up
on the wiki.
Of course many points can be added.
Should the Live CD install and DVD install have different user guides?
Can user guides be made to depend on the specific install choices?
I think it makes sense
ASL, CLC, AMS, CMS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Panu Matilainen" <pmatilai(a)redhat.com>
To: "Florian Festi" <ffesti(a)redhat.com>
Cc: "John J. McDonough" <wb8rcr(a)arrl.net>; "For participants of the
Documentation Project" <fedora-docs-list(a)redhat.com>
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: RPM Guide and RPM Max
> Indeed, there's little point in wasting scarce resources on trying to keep
> two books up to date, better concentrate on just one. The RPM Guide is far
> far closer to being up-to-date than Max-RPM which *should* mean it's far
> easier to update to match current RPM versions.
I think the question that needs to be asked is how much value does Maximum
RPM add, and is it appropriate or necessary to include that in the RPM
Guide. I haven't studied either well enough to be in a position to even
offer an opinion.
But, that is additional fodder for the discussion.
Last week I made a wiki page on HOWTO Install Fedora 11. The page is
an effort to help users with the installation of Fedora 11.
I used VirtualBox to install Fedora 11 virtually on my laptop, and, in
the process, took screenshots of every step that I encountered and
wrote down the installation procedure in steps. The wiki page is
available here .
This is the first time I have created such a HOWTO or guide and I may
have missed out on something. I would be glad to receive any comments,
criticism, etc. which would help me to improve this wiki and in my