How many ...

[sankarshan]

I was wondering, somewhat idly I must admit, about the numbers amongst us:

- who are now on Rawhide
- who use the local language desktop
- who, during install fests and the like mention and demonstrate the
local language desktop
- who know about Transifex and related pieces of the Fedora L10n
infrastructure to talk about it
- who follow the QA Days off the Fedora Planet and, are keen to get involved

Any numbers/responses ?

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[Debarshi Ray]

>  - who are now on Rawhide 
+1

>  - who use the local language desktop 
On and off.

>  - who, during install fests and the like mention and demonstrate the
>  local language desktop 
+1

>  - who follow the QA Days off the Fedora Planet and, are keen to get
> involved 
+1

Cheers,
Debarshi

[Rakesh Pandit]

2009/3/25 Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote:
>  I was wondering, somewhat idly I must admit, about the numbers
> amongst us:
>
>  - who are now on Rawhide 
[..]

yes.

[..]
>  - who follow the QA Days off the Fedora Planet and, are keen to get
> involved 
Interested.

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[subhodip biswas]

On 3/25/09, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay <foss.mailinglists(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  I was wondering, somewhat idly I must admit, about the numbers
> amongst us:
>
>  - who use the local language desktop 
+1
>  - who, during install fests and the like mention and demonstrate the
>  local language desktop 
+1



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[Arindam Ghosh]

>  - who are now on Rawhide 
+1

>  - who use the local language desktop 
sometimes

>  - who, during install fests and the like mention and demonstrate the
>  local language desktop 
+1

>  - who follow the QA Days off the Fedora Planet and, are keen to get
> involved 
+1

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[sankarshan]

On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay
<foss.mailinglists(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  I was wondering, somewhat idly I must admit, about the numbers
> amongst us:
>
>  - who are now on Rawhide
>  - who use the local language desktop
>  - who, during install fests and the like mention and demonstrate the
>  local language desktop
>  - who know about Transifex and related pieces of the Fedora L10n
>  infrastructure to talk about it
>  - who follow the QA Days off the Fedora Planet and, are keen to get involved
>
>  Any numbers/responses ? 
And, before this thread becomes as living and (in)famous as the mail
from Susmit ;), I plan to put this on a wiki page so that folks can
add their names. This looks like good information to have especially
in terms of how we can share knowledge and become a better coordinated
group.

Thanks to one-who-shall-not-be-named for pointing out the flaw in
asking for numbers on the mailing list :D


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[susmit shannigrahi]

>  And, before this thread becomes as living and (in)famous as the mail
>  from Susmit ;), I plan to put this on a wiki page so that folks can
>  add their names. This looks like good information to have especially
>  in terms of how we can share knowledge and become a better coordinated
>  group.
>
>  Thanks to one-who-shall-not-be-named for pointing out the flaw in
>  asking for numbers on the mailing list :D 
Let me assure, the mail is going to continue for sometime..
I realised it very hard way that people does not _follow_ the entire thread.


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[Aanjhan R]

On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:14 PM, susmit shannigrahi
<thinklinux.ssh(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  Let me assure, the mail is going to continue for sometime..
>  I realised it very hard way that people does not _follow_ the entire thread. 
Like our good friend Mr. Tejas Dinkar :-)

[Tejas Dinkar]

On Wed, 25 Mar 2009, Aanjhan R sent out 0.4K bytes to say:
>  Like our good friend Mr. Tejas Dinkar :-) 
I read it. But until there is a wiki page up, and the link posted here,
I'd rather answer here.

I'll leave the headache of counting (and copying data to the wiki) to our
friends SM and SS
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[sankarshan]

On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Tejas Dinkar <tejasdinkar(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  On Wed, 25 Mar 2009, Aanjhan R sent out 0.4K bytes to say:
> > Like our good friend Mr. Tejas Dinkar :-)
>
>  I read it. But until there is a wiki page up, and the link posted here,
>  I'd rather answer here. 
<https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-india/2009-March/msg00178.html>

>  I'll leave the headache of counting (and copying data to the
> wiki) to our
>  friends SM and SS 
Let me put it this way (and, it may sound rude). The initial set of
questions should have been asked on the wiki and not on the list.
However, now that there is a page, whether or not you'd have the time
to put your name in the appropriate places is completely optional and
up to you.

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[Tejas Dinkar]

On Thu, 26 Mar 2009, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay sent out 1.1K bytes to say:
>  Let me put it this way (and, it may sound rude). The initial set of
>  questions should have been asked on the wiki and not on the list.
>  However, now that there is a page, whether or not you'd have the time
>  to put your name in the appropriate places is completely optional and
>  up to you. 
As you wish. The page had not been started at the time of posting that.

Can I add updates-testing to the aforementioned wiki page? Or is that
particular statistic useless to everyone?
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[sankarshan]

On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Tejas Dinkar <tejasdinkar(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  As you wish. The page had not been started at the time of posting
> that. 
I posted the mail with URL for the page after editing the subject line at:

Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 12:44 PM

and, your mentioned mail has the date/time of:

Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 5:49 PM

that is what I see off my Gmail webUI.
<https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-india/2009-March/thread.html>
should allow you to obtain very specific times.

Not nitpicking, just pointing it out.

>  Can I add updates-testing to the aforementioned wiki page? Or is
> that
>  particular statistic useless to everyone? 
Sure. Go ahead. In fact copy paste the entire portion of data
(including Amarok if you so wish) into the page.

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[Tejas Dinkar]

On Thu, 26 Mar 2009, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay sent out 1.1K bytes to say:
>  On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Tejas Dinkar
> <tejasdinkar(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 12:44 PM
>  
>  and, your mentioned mail has the date/time of:
>  
>  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 5:49 PM 
I was referring to this mail
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-india/2009-March/msg00172.html

With the datestamp of Wed, 25 Mar 2009 04:06:10 -0700

Which is Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:36:10 +0530 (unless my math is wrong
somewhere).

Your mail asking people not to post on the list [2] reached at Wed, 25
Mar 2009 15:21:19 +0530, about an hour and a quarter before I posted on
the list. While I did see the mail before clicking 'send', I had typed
the mail up long before that.

The wiki page [1] was created at 07:10, 26 March 2009.

[1] https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=RegionalTeams/India/Notes&...
[2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-india/2009-March/msg00171.html
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[Tejas Dinkar]

On Wed, 25 Mar 2009, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay sent out 0.8K bytes to say:
>  I was wondering, somewhat idly I must admit, about the numbers
> amongst us:
>  
>  - who are now on Rawhide 
+0.5 updates-testing

>  - who use the local language desktop 
nope, english only

>  - who, during install fests and the like mention and demonstrate the
>  local language desktop 
nope. But i've installed amarok :)

>  - who know about Transifex and related pieces of the Fedora L10n
>  infrastructure to talk about it 
noppes, sorry

>  - who follow the QA Days off the Fedora Planet and, are keen to get
> involved 
oooh, me me :)
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[Runa Bhattacharjee]

Tejas Dinkar wrote:
>  - who, during install fests and the like mention and demonstrate the
>  local language desktop
>
>  nope. But i've installed amarok :) 
err... did you mean amharic[1]. :P
> > - who know about Transifex and related pieces of the Fedora L10n
> > infrastructure to talk about it
>
>  noppes, sorry 
FWIW, there is an FLP meeting tonight at 12:30 AM IST on 
#fedora-meeting. Its a good place to get introduced to the FLP group and 
the people behind the infrastructure pieces mentioned above.

cheers
Runa

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amharic


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[Sri Ramadoss M]

On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay
<foss.mailinglists(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  I was wondering, somewhat idly I must admit, about the numbers
> amongst us:
>
>  - who are now on Rawhide 
I am unable to understand what you intend here..

>  - who use the local language desktop 
on Ubuntu - Yes, and when I use fedora I do occasionally.

buggy :-)

>  - who, during install fests and the like mention and demonstrate the
>  local language desktop 
+1

>  - who know about Transifex and related pieces of the Fedora L10n
>  infrastructure to talk about it 
Transifex - isn't it yet rosetta jam?

>  - who follow the QA Days off the Fedora Planet and, are keen to get
> involved
>  
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[Sri Ramadoss M]

On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Sri Ramadoss M <shriramadhas(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  Transifex - isn't it yet rosetta jam?
>  
I had typed that in a hurry. Read as,

Transifex - isn't it yet another rosetta jam?

I hope I am wrong.

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[Rahul Sundaram]

Sri Ramadoss M wrote:
>  On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Sri Ramadoss M
> <shriramadhas(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> > Transifex - isn't it yet rosetta jam?
> >
>  
>  I had typed that in a hurry. Read as,
>  
>  Transifex - isn't it yet another rosetta jam?
>  
>  I hope I am wrong. 
There are some fundamental differences. Transfix was explicitly designed
to be upstream focused and independent. Fedora, LXDE etc have adopted it
and use it extensively. LWN covers it at

http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/325311/8265d5a5b4b9f983/

Rahul

[Rahul Sundaram]

Sri Ramadoss M wrote:
>  On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Sri Ramadoss M
> <shriramadhas(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> > Transifex - isn't it yet rosetta jam?
> >
>  
>  I had typed that in a hurry. Read as,
>  
>  Transifex - isn't it yet another rosetta jam?
>  
>  I hope I am wrong. 
There are some fundamental differences. Transfix was explicitly designed
to be upstream focused and independent. Fedora, LXDE etc have adopted it
and use it extensively. LWN covers it at

http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/325311/8265d5a5b4b9f983/

Rahul

[Rahul Sundaram]

Sri Ramadoss M wrote:
>  On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay
>  <foss.mailinglists(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> > I was wondering, somewhat idly I must admit, about the numbers amongst us:
> >
> > - who are now on Rawhide
>  
>  I am unable to understand what you intend here.. 
Rawhide is the development branch of Fedora.

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/Rawhide

> > - who use the local language desktop
>  
>  on Ubuntu - Yes, and when I use fedora I do occasionally.
>  
>  buggy :-) 
The obvious question. Have you filed bug reports?

Rahul

[Sri Ramadoss M]

On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Rahul Sundaram
<sundaram(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
> > I am unable to understand what you intend here..
>
>  Rawhide is the development branch of Fedora.
>
>  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/Rawhide
>  
Yes. just got little deviated as the other questions that followed
were on localization.

thank you.

> >> - who use the local language desktop
> >
> > on Ubuntu - Yes, and when I use fedora I do occasionally.
> >
> > buggy :-)
>
>  The obvious question. Have you filed bug reports?
>  
the first noticed bug is due to the presence of lohit_ta.ttf

and with ta_IN as the locale, the english (te) web pages are junk with
tamil letters in between..

removing lohit_ta.ttf clears this.

just confirmed this again yesterday in fedora. same is the case with
ubuntu too. same reason.

how about other languages?

will soon file a bug.

thank you.

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[Rahul Sundaram]

Sri Ramadoss M wrote:
>  
>  the first noticed bug is due to the presence of lohit_ta.ttf
>  
>  and with ta_IN as the locale, the english (te) web pages are junk with
>  tamil letters in between..
>  
>  removing lohit_ta.ttf clears this.
>  
>  just confirmed this again yesterday in fedora. same is the case with
>  ubuntu too. same reason.
>  
>  how about other languages?
>  
>  will soon file a bug.
>  
>  thank you. 
This was a Firefox rendering issue that has been fixed in the recent
versions in Rawhide. Not a font issue in my understanding.

Rahul

[Runa Bhattacharjee]

Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>  Sri Ramadoss M wrote:
>    
> > the first noticed bug is due to the presence of lohit_ta.ttf
> >
> > and with ta_IN as the locale, the english (te) web pages are junk with
> > tamil letters in between..
> >
> > removing lohit_ta.ttf clears this.
> >
> > just confirmed this again yesterday in fedora. same is the case with
> > ubuntu too. same reason.
> >
> > how about other languages?
> >
> > will soon file a bug.
> >
> > thank you.
> >     
>
>  This was a Firefox rendering issue that has been fixed in the recent
>  versions in Rawhide. Not a font issue in my understanding.
>
>
>     
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=455647

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[Sri Ramadoss M]

On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Runa Bhattacharjee <runabh(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> > This was a Firefox rendering issue that has been fixed in the
> recent
> > versions in Rawhide. Not a font issue in my understanding.
>  https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=455647
>  
Thanks. Got it.


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[Sri Ramadoss M]

All those who said +1 on using their own mother tongue, how do you
handle shortcuts?

Some uniformity need to be brought in. with English letter shortcuts
at one place and mother tongue letters at some other.

I found Hindi using all English.

Myself and Santhosh shared this in common.

How come? With xkb as layout, shouldn't a user switch to English and
then type the shortcut key, while doing some task with a Hindi
Desktop?

Any special reasons?

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[sankarshan]

On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 5:56 PM, Sri Ramadoss M <shriramadhas(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  Some uniformity need to be brought in. with English letter shortcuts
>  at one place and mother tongue letters at some other. 
Specifically where ? The screenshots on Santhosh's blog are from
Ubuntu/Debian. I haven't noticed a Fedora Screenshot.



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[Santhosh Thottingal]

On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay <
foss.mailinglists(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  Specifically where ? The screenshots on Santhosh's blog are from
>  Ubuntu/Debian. I haven't noticed a Fedora Screenshot. 

The problems I explained here:
http://santhoshtr.livejournal.com/16339.htmlare present in the
gnome/kde upstream translations. Same problems exist in
Fedora too.

-Santhosh

[sankarshan]

2009/3/26 Santhosh Thottingal <santhosh.thottingal(a)gmail.com&gt;:
>  On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay
>  <foss.mailinglists(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >
> > Specifically where ? The screenshots on Santhosh's blog are from
> > Ubuntu/Debian. I haven't noticed a Fedora Screenshot.
>
>
>  The problems I explained here: http://santhoshtr.livejournal.com/16339.html
>  are present in the gnome/kde upstream translations. Same problems exist in
>  Fedora too. 
Which brings forth the usual question (oh ! how I dislike the phrase)
- can you also pass a list of the bugs on the issues pertaining to
Fedora ?

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[sankarshan]

2009/3/26 Santhosh Thottingal <santhosh.thottingal(a)gmail.com&gt;:

>  The problems I explained here:
> http://santhoshtr.livejournal.com/16339.html
>  are present in the gnome/kde upstream translations. Same problems exist in
>  Fedora too. 
And, while I can't say much for languages other than bn_IN. I'd be
interested in the specific upstream file which exposes the queer
shortcuts as it does in your screenshot (for bn_IN) in gedit.

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[Santhosh Thottingal]

On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 8:35 PM, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay <
foss.mailinglists(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  2009/3/26 Santhosh Thottingal <santhosh.thottingal(a)gmail.com&gt;:
>
>  > The problems I explained here:
>  http://santhoshtr.livejournal.com/16339.html
>  > are present in the gnome/kde upstream translations. Same problems exist
>  in
>  > Fedora too.
>
>  And, while I can't say much for languages other than bn_IN. I'd be
>  interested in the specific upstream file which exposes the queer
>  shortcuts as it does in your screenshot (for bn_IN) in gedit. 
You can use tools like  open-tran(http://en.open-tran.eu/)to find out  such
inconsistencies.
Some examples:
http://en.bn.open-tran.eu/suggest/new
and http://en.bn.open-tran.eu/suggest/file
http://en.bn.open-tran.eu/suggest/close
http://en.ml.open-tran.eu/suggest/file

Sometime back Kushal had written a tool for the same purpose.-
translationfilter.

Thanks
Santhosh

[sankarshan]

Umm... I know about Kushal's tool and the follow up comment from you
about using gawk and such to do the same thing.

However, you mentioned errors in 'upstream' bn_IN especially around
gedit. Your screenshots have gedit from Ubuntu. On Fedora (where you
said that similar errors exist) I was unable to find them. So, I'd be
interested in the following:

- who translated the bn_IN for Ubuntu
- which is the upstream gedit file where the keyboard shortcuts are this queer

Specifically the second, because that is where the poking should start from.

~sankarshan

On 3/26/09, Santhosh Thottingal <santhosh.thottingal(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 8:35 PM, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay <
>  foss.mailinglists(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>
> > 2009/3/26 Santhosh Thottingal <santhosh.thottingal(a)gmail.com&gt;:
> >
> > > The problems I explained here:
> > http://santhoshtr.livejournal.com/16339.html
> > > are present in the gnome/kde upstream translations. Same problems exist
> > in
> > > Fedora too.
> >
> > And, while I can't say much for languages other than bn_IN. I'd be
> > interested in the specific upstream file which exposes the queer
> > shortcuts as it does in your screenshot (for bn_IN) in gedit.
>
>  You can use tools like  open-tran(http://en.open-tran.eu/)to find out  such
>  inconsistencies.
>  Some examples:
>  http://en.bn.open-tran.eu/suggest/new
>  and http://en.bn.open-tran.eu/suggest/file
>  http://en.bn.open-tran.eu/suggest/close
>  http://en.ml.open-tran.eu/suggest/file
>
>  Sometime back Kushal had written a tool for the same purpose.-
>  translationfilter.
>
>  Thanks
>  Santhosh
>  
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[Runa Bhattacharjee]

Santhosh Thottingal wrote:
>  You can use tools like  open-tran(http://en.open-tran.eu/)to 
>  <http://en.open-tran.eu/%29to> find out  such inconsistencies.
>  Some examples:
>  http://en.bn.open-tran.eu/suggest/new
>  and http://en.bn.open-tran.eu/suggest/file
>  http://en.bn.open-tran.eu/suggest/close
>  http://en.ml.open-tran.eu/suggest/file
>  
I don't see bn_IN listed anywhere in here:

http://en.open-tran.eu/languages.html

Am i missing something?

cheers
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[Sri Ramadoss M]

Another clarification,

How many have sent Indic text for printing to dotmatrix printers and tested?

Is it supported? Any idea? Any work towards that?

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[sankarshan]

On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Sri Ramadoss M <shriramadhas(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  Another clarification,
>
>  How many have sent Indic text for printing to dotmatrix printers and tested?
>
>  Is it supported? Any idea? Any work towards that? 
I put dipankar das in cc: He has the distinction of using Fedora and
Bengali to produce a voluminous corpus of Bengali text and, he has/had
a DMP. Probably he can provide inputs for bn_IN

Unfortunately, I don't have a DMP handy at this point to test this
out, but probably this is a nice test plan to be included should we
end up doing a L10n QA sprint.

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[das]

On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay
<foss.mailinglists(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Sri Ramadoss M
> <shriramadhas(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> > Another clarification,
> >
> > How many have sent Indic text for printing to dotmatrix printers and tested?
> >
> > Is it supported? Any idea? Any work towards that?
>
>  I put dipankar das in cc: He has the distinction of using Fedora and
>  Bengali to produce a voluminous corpus of Bengali text and, he has/had
>  a DMP. Probably he can provide inputs for bn_IN
>
>  Unfortunately, I don't have a DMP handy at this point to test this
>  out, but probably this is a nice test plan to be included should we
>  end up doing a L10n QA sprint.
>  
Unfortunately I don't have any DMP too for quite some time, that is, a
little less than two years. But while I had this Epson printer I took
print from all the character processors, like OOo Write, Abiword,
KWrite, and Gedit, all those with which I handled Bangla text. The
experience with Abiword was the best. But, I saw, in many cases, first
printing the text to a file in .ps (and then pstopdf it) or .pdf
directly (if it is allowed) made the printing seamless. But, two years
back, and before that say two years more, from when I was continuing
to use SuSE 8.2, so, actually around four years back, things were much
less efficient than now. Now in Fedora 10, I am using HP LJ 1007, and
I don't even have to think what software or script I am using when
taking the print. Bangla support (I can't say anything about other
Indic ones) in Fedora 10 is exquisite, to say the least. And so taking
DMP prints would be much more easier obviously.

Thank you all.

PS: I am subscribed to this list already, and so the other id was not
needed, but I was so late to respond because due to other engagements
for three whole days I did not read the mailing lists. Sorry. :(

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[Aanjhan R]

On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 3:19 AM, Runa Bhattacharjee <runabh(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  I don't see bn_IN listed anywhere in here:
>
>  http://en.open-tran.eu/languages.html 
http://bn.open-tran.eu/ <-- would this help?

Regards,
Aanjhan

[sankarshan]

On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Aanjhan R <aanjhan(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 3:19 AM, Runa Bhattacharjee
> <runabh(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> > I don't see bn_IN listed anywhere in here:
> >
> > http://en.open-tran.eu/languages.html
>
>  http://bn.open-tran.eu/ <-- would this help? 
Not really. That's what Runa was saying :)


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[Runa Bhattacharjee]

Sri Ramadoss M wrote:
>  All those who said +1 on using their own mother tongue, how do you
>  handle shortcuts?
>
>  Some uniformity need to be brought in. with English letter shortcuts
>  at one place and mother tongue letters at some other.
>
>  I found Hindi using all English.
>
>  Myself and Santhosh shared this in common.
>
>  How come? With xkb as layout, shouldn't a user switch to English and
>  then type the shortcut key, while doing some task with a Hindi
>  Desktop?
>  
Do you mean you are using the 'setxkb' command to set your keyboard?

Most of us using the bn_IN locale have switched onto using iiimf/scim 
long time ago (probably since FC4) and do not find any difficulty while 
using the shortcuts with Alt, Ctrl, and/or Shift. Neither do we have to 
switch to the english layout while still using the bn keyboards.

The choice to move to english shortcuts was made primarily to tackle the 
problem of inconsistency in key assignment, duplication (in which case 
neither shortcut on the same level work) and problems with menu items 
comprising all conjuncts (in which case, a minimum of 4 keys come into 
the picture).
Secondly, at the time we had also tested various permutations and 
combinations using input methods, bn and en shortcuts and found that one 
particular set of shortcuts (i do not remember correctly at the moment 
which ones) did not work at all if the shortcuts were in bn. I'll try 
and dig this bit out if possible.


hth

regards
Runa


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[Sri Ramadoss M]

On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Runa Bhattacharjee <runabh(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >
>  Do you mean you are using the 'setxkb' command to set your keyboard?
>  
whichever way it may be. xkb, scim etc.,

Assume I am a Hindi Desktop user, I am working in gedit and I want to
get the File Menu drop down with the use of mouse, now I am in Hindi
Typing mode, What will be the ideal shortcut way - a Hindi key stroke
or an English key stroke?

Alt + F brings down the File Menu, But this need toggling to English
and then Alt+F is the user is typing Hindi right? But with Hindi
Letter as Short cut, this two step to shortcut is avoided.

>  The choice to move to english shortcuts was made primarily to tackle
> the
>  problem of inconsistency in key assignment, duplication (in which case
>  neither shortcut on the same level work) and problems with menu items
>  comprising all conjuncts (in which case, a minimum of 4 keys come into the
>  picture). 
the vowel or the consonant can alone be considered, instead of the
vowel+consonent.

>  Secondly, at the time we had also tested various permutations and
>  combinations using input methods, bn and en shortcuts and found that one
>  particular set of shortcuts (i do not remember correctly at the moment which
>  ones) did not work at all if the shortcuts were in bn. I'll try and dig this
>  bit out if possible.
>  
Please!

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[Sri Ramadoss M]

On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 7:45 AM, Sri Ramadoss M <shriramadhas(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Runa Bhattacharjee
> <runabh(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >>
> > Do you mean you are using the 'setxkb' command to set your keyboard?
> >
>
>  whichever way it may be. xkb, scim etc.,
>
>  Assume I am a Hindi Desktop user, I am working in gedit and I want to
>  get the File Menu drop down with the use of mouse, now I am in Hindi
>  Typing mode, What will be the ideal shortcut way - a Hindi key stroke
>  or an English key stroke? 
Read as,

Assume I am a Hindi Desktop user, I am working in gedit and I want to
get the File Menu drop down without the use of mouse, now I am in Hindi
Typing mode, What will be the ideal shortcut way - a Hindi key stroke
or an English key stroke?

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[Runa Bhattacharjee]

Sri Ramadoss M wrote:
>  Assume I am a Hindi Desktop user, I am working in gedit and I want to
>  get the File Menu drop down with the use of mouse, now I am in Hindi
>  Typing mode, What will be the ideal shortcut way - a Hindi key stroke
>  or an English key stroke?
>
>  Alt + F brings down the File Menu, But this need toggling to English
>  and then Alt+F is the user is typing Hindi right? But with Hindi
>  Letter as Short cut, this two step to shortcut is avoided.
>     
Nope. The English shortcuts work directly even when I am using the 
Bengali keyboard.
> > Secondly, at the time we had also tested various permutations and
> > combinations using input methods, bn and en shortcuts and found that one
> > particular set of shortcuts (i do not remember correctly at the moment which
> > ones) did not work at all if the shortcuts were in bn. I'll try and dig this
> > bit out if possible.
> >
> >     
>
>  Please!
>     
Here it is:

http://runab.livejournal.com/27589.html

hth
Runa

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[Rahul Sundaram]

Sri Ramadoss M wrote:

>  
>  Transifex - isn't it yet rosetta jam? 
You might also want to look at

http://www.ogmaciel.com/?p=62

The best way to make sure that your work benefits everybody is to ensure
that your translations go into upstream projects as well rather than
remain within a distribution.

Rahul