On Tuesday, 22 December 2015 10:37 AM, Aditya Patawari wrote:
>I was there at pycon. So was Kushal. Praveen had plans to come
>which were cancelled due to a meeting at office. I do not mind
>becoming owner/co-owner for this.
Cool! Please edit the wiki to add yourself as owner. Maybe
Ratnadeep could become a co-owner.
> I have not been to gnunify for a couple of years.
> I think some folks from Pune can take this up.
Right. I'll try to find out.
--- -P J P
RootConf Bangalore: 14-15 April, 2016
CFP for Rootconf is now open. We have Fedora budget provisions
for this event.
Please let's plan our activities there in time and raise the
required requests accordingly.
@Praveen, @Aditya: you are going next year?
-P J P
Since I was volunteering at FUDCon APAC 2015 held at Pune and got a
chance to interact with a lot of folks from Fedora community, just
thought of sharing my recent blog about GHC with everyone. This might
not have anything to do with fedora but surely might bring some light to
the thought of increasing women participation/contribution in the
Moreover to make it relevant to the fedora lists, I shared my experience
at FUDCon APAC 2015 here and thus sharing that one as well.
These were the mailing lists where I have done very few interactions in
the past, so just thought of addressing it to them.
Any feedback/comments appreciated.
> On Friday, 11 December 2015 6:01 PM, Aditya Patawari wrote:
>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 5:50 PM, sankarshan wrote:
>> If the event demographics indicate that it is mostly professionals,
>> why would they be interested in install media? Events similar to this
>> happen across NA and EMEA, it would be worthwhile to reach out to
>> anyone who has managed a booth at them to guess what kind of swag is
> I agree to this. Having install media is not really useful here.
I see, okay.
> Rootconf has traditionally seen stickers, keyrings, mugs, and
> notebooks as swag. Last year Bookmyshow had a thick green notebook
> which attracted quite some crowd on their booth. Crowd in Bangalore
> would appreciate something like umbrella but that might shoot the
Yes, sounds good.
--- -P J P
> On Friday, 11 December 2015 12:12 PM, Aditya Patawari wrote:
> Yes. I have been an attendee at all the rootconfs and a speaker at
> last two. I am moving to Bangalore so transportation cost and
> accommodation cost should be nil. Only budget I might need would be
> the conf admission fee, but only if my talk/workshop does not get
> selected. If the talk/workshop gets selected then I won't need any
Cool, that's great! We'd need some budget if we are to set-up a Fedora
booth and/or distribute Fedora swag etc. We may have to produce swag too.
-P J P
We are planning to have a short discussion on the Singapore FAD, which
Prasad attended, today at the Red Hat office at 2:00 today [9-Dec-2015].
If anyone (outside Red Hat) is interested in attending, let me know i
can send you dial in information.
Huzaifa Sidhpurwala / Red Hat Product Security Team
I'm attending FAD Singapore 2015 this weekend. The agenda for this meeting was
to brainstorm and figure out various ways in which we could spread 'Fedora'
across the APAC region. And second was to plan annual(FY 16-17) budget for the
We began the day early with a round of introductions and jumped right to the
agenda of finding ways to spread the Fedora community. Naturally, the first
question asked was - What do we currently do towards it? What is it that isn't
working? Each participant was asked to narrate their experiences.
The answers were usual, we conduct events, use Fedora to teach Linux,
distribute swags/DVDs etc. Yet, somehow it's not enough to drive up the
conversion rate of the audience turning into Fedora users and/or contributors.
It is observed that DVDs get varied responses across regions. In Singapore
nobody wants to have DVDs, because they prefer USB media; Whereas in other
regions DVDs get over within hours at an event. We need to capitalise both
ways; We could not choose one over the other. The issue of wastage of DVD
media and resources was also raised. It is observed that we don't plan and
order for the media well ahead in time. We do mass productions hoping that
those will get distributed, but they mostly remain with the volunteers and
before long they become stale, as the next Fedora release comes out. Though
we'd prefer to produce all swag & DVDs in one location to maintain consistent
quality, if we are to produce media on demand basis, it might be feasible to
produce them locally considering the shipping expenses and time taken for it.
Secondly, volunteers must plan at least 4-6 months in advance for this to work
out well. It is ambassadors' task to drive home that point to the volunteers.
Next was the topic of Fedora adoption. Many observations came about. Like the
activities we do are not regular and recurring. They are not catering to the
target audiences, ex. running same old 'How to become package maintainer'
tracks etc. May be that should not be a beginner level introductory track.
There is rarely a follow-up with the audiences after the event is over. Many
participants shared that they often manage to get the audience started with
Fedora tasks, but after the initial excitement, they rarely ping back. Thus the
regular follow-up are needed and it is the event owner's task to do the
follow-ups or ensure that it happens via other volunteers. While doing events,
we also need to aim towards getting more users and not just the contributors.
We need to ensure that they know how to use Fedora for the tasks that they
want to do ex. Designing, authoring and publishing, Administration, Gaming,
Programming, etc. Ie we need to have focused events considering the audience's
interests. To increase user base, it's also important to make Fedora more
easily accessible. It is general observation that people identify Linux with
Ubuntu, but with Fedora not so much. It'll help to have install fests at
the release parties wherein we do the installation by setting up
local/portable Fedora mirrors.
The discussion continued even through the lunch break, and post that we moved
on to discuss the yearly events and budget planning. It's quite late here to
dwell into more details, but the highlights are covered through these pages
-P J P
Day-2 of the FAD today was mostly dedicated to more brainstorming
about various issues that are faced across APAC region. Ex missing
leadership, lack of awareness,lack of initiative, divided regional
Day started with an issue of delays in reimbursements. And if it would
make sense to have another Fedora credit card older in the region.
Izhar Firdaus, who is an Ambassador in Malaysia and does reimbursements
for the APAC, explained various processes that he has to follow around
reimbursements, filing monthly expenses and required paperwork etc.
It'd be preferred to have another card holder in India, but we need
a suitable responsible volunteer who is willing to do that. We'd reach
out to the Fedora Council with a request once we have such a candidate
Next each participant was asked what they could do to improve community
participation in their region. Each region has ambassadors who have been
inactive for years. Many cases are they became ambassador when they were
students, and since then have been occupied with their jobs or have
lost interest in working for Fedora. But there is nothing much that could
be done about it. We can prod them and wake them up, but beyond that it's
their choice. Once again the DVDs production issue came about, in that,
it'll help to have Alternative Desktop DVDs, wherein user can choose
from a desktop of his/her choice than having just Gnome shell. Also for
conferences like 'conf.kde.in', it'll help to distribute KDE desktop DVDs
than the Gnome ones. User interface could come in the way of Fedora adoption,
we need to experiment with the available options to see which one works the
Next came the missing leadership across APAC region. It is observed that
there is no targeted/planned approach to our activities. It's very ad-hoc
and mostly happens at the 11'th hour. Like organisation of this FAD, or
producing DVDs/Banners/swag when there is a pressing requirement etc.
It is ambassadors' task to take control of it. They need to fill the
leadership positions through initiative. But the major problem is that
not all ambassadors know their responsibilities well. It's their mentors'
failure in mentoring them and is upto them to fix it.
There are other issues like, not all Fedora participants are vocal across
various Fedora channels, mailing lists, etc. Maybe because they don't care
or maybe because there is a feeling that they can not change anything.
It is extremely important that we voice our opinions/views across all
Another bigger issue is ambassadors don't have a convincing argument
for the audience about - why they should use Fedora. Because in many
environments it doesn't matter which distribution they use.
By this time we were close to the evening, next topic was about the new
governing structure proposed by the Fedora council.
Going forward, Fedora is going to be much more methodical and we
need to prepare ourselves towards that.
See more highlights at
--- -P J P
On 24 November 2015 at 09:45, sankarshan <foss.mailinglists(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> All these locations receive the DVD and thus roughly 2000 individuals
> (not all new/unique) receive F23 media. What happens next?
I personally consider DVDs to be smarter stickers, buttons or flyers,
i.e. promotional media that has digital content. In that context, the
impact of DVDs is similar to impact of stickers: they help improve
brand awareness at conferences and meetups. There is the other aspect
of enabling individuals who may otherwise not have the bandwidth to
download the distirbution and try it themselves. The freemedia
program tries to reach out to such people, but like you, I am not very
convinced about its utility in attracting long term users or
That said, there seems to be quite a bit of interest in DVDs (from
conference attendees and consequently, ambassadors) regardless of our
apprehensions and that says something even though we don't quite know
I don't think DVD production is that big a cost that we need to put so
much thought into potentially replacing it with something else. If
there's an alternative that needs evaluation (like a device that
allows people to plug USB sticks in and copy a bootable distribution
copy, that sounds like a nice engineering project), we should bring it
up first, try it and then decide if DVD production is putting cost
pressure on that alternative.