Hi, Lots of guys are coming up to me asking how to dual boot Fedora 13 and Win (XP/7/Vista) on their systems. I guide them to manually partition their drives during Installation and have a separate free space for creating ext and swap partitions so as to avoid any hassles during installation. However many people are coming with just a SINGLE partition on the whole disk, having Windows and wish to install Fedora. The Fedora 13 installation is having a 'shrink' feature as I see. I tried it on a Windows VM in VirtualBox but it erased Windows and installed Fedora. I tried the shrink feature in Ubuntu 10.04 using a similar Windows VM and it made a dual boot machine successfully. Kindly help..where am I going wrong? Should I use GParted Live CD/USB [1]? Tomorrow is InstallFest and students with such queries are bound to come. Kindly help asap..
[1] http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
Suchakra
On 30/07/10 09:36, Suchakra wrote:
Hi, Lots of guys are coming up to me asking how to dual boot Fedora 13 and Win (XP/7/Vista) on their systems.
Boot Windows normally, use DiskManager to shring the Windows volune iirc Administrative tools > Managment > Storage
Then when that finished you have a spare partition in which to install Fedora. YMMV
On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 09:48 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote:
On 30/07/10 09:36, Suchakra wrote:
Hi, Lots of guys are coming up to me asking how to dual boot Fedora 13 and Win (XP/7/Vista) on their systems.
Boot Windows normally, use DiskManager to shring the Windows volune iirc Administrative tools > Managment > Storage
Then when that finished you have a spare partition in which to install Fedora. YMMV
You need to defrag, disable paging, and shadowing before you can get a good size out of the shrink (out of 250GB of free space I could only shrink by 8G because it wasn't defragged, and shadowing, etc was all on)
-H
Thanks for the responses. Just to add, I've used the shrink utility in windows before. Its true as Hiemanshu points out that defrag should be done or else its not good. However in Win XP the shrink feature is not even there, so I'll be stuck there for sure. I think I'll use a Gparted Live USB for those in need tomorrow.
Also I'll file a bug report only after checking if the problem occurs on an actual physical system too.
Thanks all, Suchakra
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Hiemanshu Sharma hiemanshu@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 09:48 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote:
On 30/07/10 09:36, Suchakra wrote:
Hi, Lots of guys are coming up to me asking how to dual boot Fedora 13 and Win (XP/7/Vista) on their systems.
Boot Windows normally, use DiskManager to shring the Windows volune iirc Administrative tools > Managment > Storage
Then when that finished you have a spare partition in which to install Fedora. YMMV
You need to defrag, disable paging, and shadowing before you can get a good size out of the shrink (out of 250GB of free space I could only shrink by 8G because it wasn't defragged, and shadowing, etc was all on)
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On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 16:11 +0530, Suchakra wrote:
Thanks for the responses. Just to add, I've used the shrink utility in windows before. Its true as Hiemanshu points out that defrag should be done or else its not good. However in Win XP the shrink feature is not even there, so I'll be stuck there for sure. I think I'll use a Gparted Live USB for those in need tomorrow.
Also I'll file a bug report only after checking if the problem occurs on an actual physical system too.
Thanks all, Suchakra
This is another page you should be aware of while hosting an install fest. A lot of folks will end up losing their windows boot loader etc.
I'm looking forward to your report. :)
Thanks for the link. I'm still working on the original issue. Lets see what's the scene tomorrow. I'l put up a report in a couple of days.
Suchakra
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Ankur Sinha sanjay.ankur@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 16:11 +0530, Suchakra wrote:
Thanks for the responses. Just to add, I've used the shrink utility in windows before. Its true as Hiemanshu points out that defrag should be done or else its not good. However in Win XP the shrink feature is not even there, so I'll be stuck there for sure. I think I'll use a Gparted Live USB for those in need tomorrow.
Also I'll file a bug report only after checking if the problem occurs on an actual physical system too.
Thanks all, Suchakra
This is another page you should be aware of while hosting an install fest. A lot of folks will end up losing their windows boot loader etc.
I'm looking forward to your report. :)
-- Thanks! Regards, Ankur
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I'm sorry I haven't. I tried once a couple of months back i think and was unable to do so. I uploaded my gpg key too to FAS and waited for a day as was written but unfortunately couldn't connect. I tried again with another machine and then forgot to do it altogether. I'll try it with my another Fedora machine on monday and tell you. By the way, InstallFest is done with. Kushal came too to meet us. I hope it was a success (despite some minor glitches on our part). I'll make a report and put it up by tuesday.
Suchakra
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Rahul Sundaram metherid@gmail.com wrote:
On 07/30/2010 06:43 PM, Suchakra wrote:
Thanks for the link. I'm still working on the original issue. Lets see what's the scene tomorrow. I'l put up a report in a couple of days.
Suchakra
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On 07/30/2010 02:06 PM, Suchakra wrote:
Hi, Lots of guys are coming up to me asking how to dual boot Fedora 13 and Win (XP/7/Vista) on their systems. I guide them to manually partition their drives during Installation and have a separate free space for creating ext and swap partitions so as to avoid any hassles during installation. However many people are coming with just a SINGLE partition on the whole disk, having Windows and wish to install Fedora. The Fedora 13 installation is having a 'shrink' feature as I see. I tried it on a Windows VM in VirtualBox but it erased Windows and installed Fedora.
This should be reported esp if it can be reproduced in a physical machine. Otherwise gparted should work fine. As always recommend backups before doing installations or upgrades.
Rahul
On 30/07/10 09:50, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
This should be reported esp if it can be reproduced in a physical machine. Otherwise gparted should work fine. As always recommend backups before doing installations or upgrades.
The more correct method would be to resize Windows from windows. Been there done that.
Regards,
Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded Friend of Fedora
On 30/07/10 09:54, Frank Murphy wrote:
On 30/07/10 09:50, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Forgot the link: http://thpc.info/dual/win7/dualboot_win7+fedora11_grub_on_win7.html
On 30 July 2010 14:24, Frank Murphy frankly3d@gmail.com wrote:
The more correct method would be to resize Windows from windows. Been there done that.
Yes windows does a good job of shrinking its partition . I definitely would recommend shrinking windows with windows default utility to give space for other partition which could happily be used for fedora installation .
Regards, Pavithran
On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 14:31 +0530, pavithran wrote:
On 30 July 2010 14:24, Frank Murphy frankly3d@gmail.com wrote:
The more correct method would be to resize Windows from windows. Been there done that.
Yes windows does a good job of shrinking its partition . I definitely would recommend shrinking windows with windows default utility to give space for other partition which could happily be used for fedora installation .
Regards, Pavithran
Just to point it out.
A lot of times, the windows shrink utility does not let you shrink to the amount of free space. I've had a lot of trouble at install fests with this. I'll look around if I can dig up the howto when things get ugly like this. It's rare, but it does happen.
On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 14:06 +0530, Suchakra wrote:
Hi, Lots of guys are coming up to me asking how to dual boot Fedora 13 and Win (XP/7/Vista) on their systems. I guide them to manually partition their drives during Installation and have a separate free space for creating ext and swap partitions so as to avoid any hassles during installation. However many people are coming with just a SINGLE partition on the whole disk, having Windows and wish to install Fedora. The Fedora 13 installation is having a 'shrink' feature as I see. I tried it on a Windows VM in VirtualBox but it erased Windows and installed Fedora. I tried the shrink feature in Ubuntu 10.04 using a similar Windows VM and it made a dual boot machine successfully. Kindly help..where am I going wrong? Should I use GParted Live CD/USB [1]? Tomorrow is InstallFest and students with such queries are bound to come. Kindly help asap..
[1] http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
Suchakra
Hi,
It is best to ask them to use the Windows utility to shrink their partitions and then make free space to be use for Fedora.
IIRC, you can right click on My Computer > Manage > Disk Management > right click on your drive > shrink.
This is by far the safest way. However, sometimes it's a HUGE pain because you need to disable and delete shadow files etc. I don't remember the entire procedure any more. It's been a long time since I dual booted.
The Fedora shrink feature should not erase the windows partition. Please file a bug if this is reproducible. Using GParted should be fine too.
Also look at fedorasolved.org pages such as
http://fedorasolved.org/post-install-solutions/dual-boot-with-windows
They contain a lot of info.
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