Re: spam through Hyperkitty

[Barry]

>  On 30 Nov 2022, at 16:59, Luna Jernberg <droidbittin(a)gmail.com&gt;
> wrote:
>  
>  Discord is not using IRC its a closed echosystem 
I meant irc like… not that it was an irc client.

Barry
>  
> > On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 5:57 PM Barry <barry(a)barrys-emacs.org&gt; wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >>> On 30 Nov 2022, at 14:19, Tim via users <users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
> wrote:
> >> 
> >> On Tue, 2022-11-29 at 22:32 +0000, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> >>> While we're on the topic: all the GNOME mailing lists are moving to
> >>> Discourse (similar to HyperKitty but much *much* worse). The ostensible
> >>> reasons for this included "better control of spam" and
> "Mailman depends
> >>> on Python 2", the latter being clearly nonsense as the Fedora lists run
> >>> on Mailman3 - which is why we have this HyperKitty crock in the first
> >>> place. (Note that GNOME hosting is provided by Red Hat, so go figure.)
> >> 
> >> My experience with using Discourse is as a phone app.  It's reminiscent
> >> of IRC (live chat via text, group voice chat, file sending).  As I
> >> recall, it has origins in the gaming fraternity, one of those group
> >> VOIP things used alongside their networked games.
> > 
> > The irc app is discord, not discourse, and yes its big in gamer circles.
> > 
> > Barry
> > 
> >> 
> >> Live stuff suits some people.  I can see its value in allowing
> >> diagnosing an issue in real time.  But that's dependent on responders
> >> being there at the same time.  And there can be too much noise going
> >> on.  I dabbled with IRC decades ago, but left it and never returned.
> >> Spending all night chatting with strangers about whatever was just
> >> eating up my spare time.
> >> 
> >> Email is good for people spread across multiple timezones, who can wait
> >> for more than one response.  Who'd like to post the "argh, I need
> help"
> >> post as they give up on an issue and would like to tackle it tomorrow.
> >> It's good for people who have some spare time to read through the days
> >> posts, and respond where they can.  It's far less demanding on you.  I
> >> can keep easily tabs on all the things going on in here (and easily
> >> find old posts on something), I can't do that with discourse, or web
> >> forums, that require clicking all over the place.  Not to mention that
> >> I have lots of other non-Fedora things I'm interested in.
> >> 
> >> It can have an searchable archive, but any time I've googled for the
> >> solution to an issue, it's never returned a Fedora mail archive result
> >> for me.  I usually get Ubuntu forum results, often useless
> >> (inapplicable, or answers from the floundering clueless).  Sometimes
> >> Reddit (of about a similar quality to the Ubuntu forums).
> >> 
> >> Does this archive exclude google?  Even if it didn't, no matter what
> >> medium you use, you can still get multiple people asking the same
> >> question, because they (we) don't search first.  Mind you, though, I
> >> keep tabs on all the threads in here while I'm idle, so I've a fair
> >> idea if someone else has brought up a subject I've got an interest in.
> >> But it tends to be new issues that I see, I haven't noticed the
> >> multiple people asking the same question issue that used to plague some
> >> other mailing lists I was on many years ago.
> >> 
> >> --
> >> 
> >> NB:  All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted.
> >> I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the list.
> >> 
> >> The following system info data is generated fresh for each post:
> >> 
> >> uname -rsvp
> >> Linux 5.19.15-201.fc36.x86_64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Thu Oct 13
> >> 18:58:38 UTC 2022 x86_64
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