Do most people install Fedora from CDs? This seem to be the default in all the Fedora-18 documentation I have seen. I would have thought installation from USB stick was more popular now. I have a couple of computers with no CD reader; isn't that becoming the norm?
On Fri, 18 Jan 2013 17:14:49 +0000 Timothy Murphy gayleard@eircom.net wrote:
Do most people install Fedora from CDs?
Live discs, as distinct from CD
This seem to be the default in all the Fedora-18 documentation I have seen. I would have thought installation from USB stick was more popular now. I have a couple of computers with no CD reader; isn't that becoming the norm?
You still buy brand spanking new Dells with DVD-RW. Personally, I yum update from one release to the next. It works for me.
Am 18.01.2013 18:14, schrieb Timothy Murphy:
Do most people install Fedora from CDs? This seem to be the default in all the Fedora-18 documentation I have seen. I would have thought installation from USB stick was more popular now. I have a couple of computers with no CD reader; isn't that becoming the norm?
not really - external DVD drive FTW
On 18 January 2013 18:20, Frank Murphy frankly3d@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jan 2013 17:14:49 +0000 Timothy Murphy gayleard@eircom.net wrote:
Do most people install Fedora from CDs?
Live discs, as distinct from CD
Live discs aren't CDs? I always burned a live image onto a CD and then put that into a CD/DVD drive. Is there a way to stuff a live disc into a USB slot on a computer wihout an optical drive? I must have missed that option because I certainly would have loved to do that.
I installed F17 from the DVD because I had problems with the liveusb-creator contraption -- at that time, I had a FreeBSD and a Windows computers, and couldn't get liveusb-creator to create a bootable image from either of these. Might have been a bug that's fixed now, might have been my fault; I don't know, frankly.
I installed F18 from the netinstall image just because I knew that it would just work and thought it would be easier to simply waste another CD than to mess with the liveusb-creator thingy once again.
I have to say, though, that I always wondered why Fedora Project doesn't offer official USB images. It seems a little backward to me -- especially since installing Fedora is the only thing I've ever used a CD drive for in the past six months, and I never used those burned CDs more than once.
On Fri, 18 Jan 2013 18:54:40 +0100 Ondrej Majerech oxyd.oxyd@gmail.com wrote:
On 18 January 2013 18:20, Frank Murphy frankly3d@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jan 2013 17:14:49 +0000 Timothy Murphy gayleard@eircom.net wrote:
Do most people install Fedora from CDs?
Live discs, as distinct from CD
Live discs aren't CDs?
They can be DVD sized, hence not CD ta-da!
On 01/18/2013 09:54 AM, Ondrej Majerech issued this missive:
On 18 January 2013 18:20, Frank Murphy <frankly3d@gmail.com mailto:frankly3d@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jan 2013 17:14:49 +0000 Timothy Murphy <gayleard@eircom.net <mailto:gayleard@eircom.net>> wrote: > Do most people install Fedora from CDs? Live discs, as distinct from CDLive discs aren't CDs? I always burned a live image onto a CD and then put that into a CD/DVD drive. Is there a way to stuff a live disc into a USB slot on a computer wihout an optical drive? I must have missed that option because I certainly would have loved to do that.
The live media spins of Fedora are well over 700MB. A CD can only hold about 700MB max on special media (about 470MB for standard media), so no, they're not CD images for most folk.
You can put a live media spin on a USB stick using several methods and they work fine--assuming your hardware can and will boot a USB stick. Not all will. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigital ricks@alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - - - - Charter Member of the International Sarcasm Society - - "Yeah, like we need YOUR support!" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Am 18.01.2013 18:54, schrieb Ondrej Majerech:
I have to say, though, that I always wondered why Fedora Project doesn't offer official USB images. It seems a little backward to me -- especially since installing Fedora is the only thing I've ever used a CD drive for in the past six months, and I never used those burned CDs more than once.
well, that is why i have one DVD-RW at home and in the office where is always the recently used fedora installer - the currently state is the better one because it is easy to make a bootable USB stick form the live-cd-iso and so it is your chice
for my usecases DVD is ok - every couple years a fedora install and the rest of the time yum-upgrades over years and even moving disks from RAID10/RAID1 setups to new machines with the same disk layout
Am 18.01.2013 19:15, schrieb Rick Stevens:
The live media spins of Fedora are well over 700MB. A CD can only hold about 700MB max on special media
but you can burn them also on a DVD
(about 470MB for standard media),
how do you come to 470MB?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD-R#Physical_characteristics
A standard CD-R is a 1.2 mm (0.047 in) thick disc made of polycarbonate with a 120 mm (4.7 in) or 80 mm (3.150 in) diameter. The 120 mm disc has a storage capacity of 74 minutes of audio or 650 Megabytes of data.
so no, they're not CD images for most folk
that's right, but why are people so fxied to the word "CD" CD and DVD are ISO 9660, have the same size and in the last decade there were only DVD-drives produced
Ondrej Majerech wrote:
On 18 January 2013 18:20, Frank Murphy <frankly3d@gmail.com mailto:frankly3d@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jan 2013 17:14:49 +0000 Timothy Murphy <gayleard@eircom.net <mailto:gayleard@eircom.net>> wrote: > Do most people install Fedora from CDs? Live discs, as distinct from CDLive discs aren't CDs? I always burned a live image onto a CD and then put that into a CD/DVD drive. Is there a way to stuff a live disc into a USB slot on a computer wihout an optical drive? I must have missed that option because I certainly would have loved to do that.
I installed F17 from the DVD because I had problems with the liveusb-creator contraption -- at that time, I had a FreeBSD and a Windows computers, and couldn't get liveusb-creator to create a bootable image from either of these. Might have been a bug that's fixed now, might have been my fault; I don't know, frankly.
Live-CD image + unetbootin -> Live-USB
Live USB (or CD) creator is another thing completely, useful but with a serious learning curve!
I installed F18 from the netinstall image just because I knew that it would just work and thought it would be easier to simply waste another CD than to mess with the liveusb-creator thingy once again.
I have to say, though, that I always wondered why Fedora Project doesn't offer official USB images. It seems a little backward to me -- especially since installing Fedora is the only thing I've ever used a CD drive for in the past six months, and I never used those burned CDs more than once.
See above, same image, just write it to the USB.
Timothy Murphy writes:
Do most people install Fedora from CDs? This seem to be the default in all the Fedora-18 documentation I have seen. I would have thought installation from USB stick was more popular now. I have a couple of computers with no CD reader; isn't that becoming the norm?
Maybe not an install per se, but there have been some occasions where a bootable CD is necessary to rescue a botched system.
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Ondrej Majerech oxyd.oxyd@gmail.com wrote:
Is there a way to stuff a live disc into a USB slot on a computer wihout an optical drive? I must have missed that option because I certainly would have loved to do that.
How to create and use a LiveUSB https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_and_use_Live_USB?rd=FedoraLiveC...
FC
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Fernando Cassia fcassia@gmail.com wrote:
How to create and use a LiveUSB https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_and_use_Live_USB?rd=FedoraLiveC...
Sorry, forgot to say that my personal favorite is this tool http://www.linuxliveusb.com/
-can be used on any Windows system (I try not to fill up my Linux system with iso downloads) -it´s open source -support almost all major Linux distros -takes any bootable cd or dvd image and transfers it to a bootable pen drive
FC
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On 18.01.2013 19:14, Timothy Murphy wrote:
Do most people install Fedora from CDs? This seem to be the default in all the Fedora-18 documentation I have seen. I would have thought installation from USB stick was more popular now. I have a couple of computers with no CD reader; isn't that becoming the norm?
I do all of my OS installations with USB sticks except installations with MacBook which only accepts Mac OS X to be on USB stick.
The method which I am using to create the USB is 1. isohybrid Fedora.iso 2. dd if=Fedora.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=1024M
The step 1 doesn't require root. isohybrid is in package syslinux. Step 2 requires root.
- -- Mika Suomalainen http://mkaysi.github.com/
Fernando Cassia wrote:
How to create and use a LiveUSB
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_and_use_Live_USB?rd=FedoraLiveC...
I tried installing Fedora-18 KDE Live on a USB stick with liveusb-creator, which this wiki recommends, but on re-booting I got the message "Missing operating system".
I managed to install the ISO with livecd-iso-to-disk --format --reset-mbr /tmp/Fedora-18*.iso /dev/sdb1
Am 19.01.2013 15:57, schrieb Timothy Murphy:
Fernando Cassia wrote:
How to create and use a LiveUSB
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_and_use_Live_USB?rd=FedoraLiveC...
I tried installing Fedora-18 KDE Live on a USB stick with liveusb-creator, which this wiki recommends, but on re-booting I got the message "Missing operating system".
I managed to install the ISO with livecd-iso-to-disk --format --reset-mbr /tmp/Fedora-18*.iso /dev/sdb1
"/tmp/Fedora-18*.iso" is dangerous and can mean more as one file why not use <TAB> key for autocomplete?
On Sat, 2013-01-19 at 14:57 +0000, Timothy Murphy wrote:
Fernando Cassia wrote:
How to create and use a LiveUSB
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_and_use_Live_USB?rd=FedoraLiveC...
I tried installing Fedora-18 KDE Live on a USB stick with liveusb-creator, which this wiki recommends, but on re-booting I got the message "Missing operating system".
I managed to install the ISO with livecd-iso-to-disk --format --reset-mbr /tmp/Fedora-18*.iso /dev/sdb1
Once again this is much easier with unetbootin.
________________________________ From: Timothy Murphy gayleard@eircom.net To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 9:14 AM Subject: Do people still install from CDs ?
Do most people install Fedora from CDs? This seem to be the default in all the Fedora-18 documentation I have seen. I would have thought installation from USB stick was more popular now. I have a couple of computers with no CD reader; isn't that becoming the norm?
The trend toward USB-stick installation methods likely will continue. However, to the extent that hardware and software become less capable of working with a wide range of various options, the less satisfactory the resulting system becomes.
The general trend toward cloud computing with lighter, dumber gear may be convenient, and likely will be profitable for some, but for many people, it is a suboptimal development.
Caveat.
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