BIND Woes

[mike]

OK,
 I am trying to set up a second server which is going to have Master 
Zones and Slave Zones so must be a full nameserver not a caching-nameserver.

I did a complete virgin install of FC 6 and then did a
yum install bind*

I then went into /etc looking for named.conf,  all I could find was a 
caching-nameserver.conf.

The caching-nameserver.conf contained a comment line that said to use 
system-config-bind to create a named.conf.

A quick whatis system-config shows that there is no system-config-bind 
command in FC 6.

Being a rookie enough to have never seen a full nameserver named.conf I 
have no idea how to proceed from here.

Help!!!

Mike Dwiggins

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[Tim]

On Fri, 2007-04-20 at 18:49 -0700, Mike Dwiggins wrote:
> I am trying to set up a second server which is going to have Master 
> Zones and Slave Zones so must be a full nameserver not a caching-nameserver.

It can be all three, at once...
> I did a complete virgin install of FC 6 and then did a
> yum install bind*
>
> I then went into /etc looking for named.conf,  all I could find was a 
> caching-nameserver.conf.
>
> The caching-nameserver.conf contained a comment line that said to use 
> system-config-bind to create a named.conf.
>
> A quick whatis system-config shows that there is no system-config-bind 
> command in FC 6.

Install it, as well...  Or just make up your own named.conf file, by
hand, and have it "include" the other config file.

By the way, they're actually in /var/named/chroot/etc/ not just /etc/.
The /etc/ directory just has symlinks pointing to the files in the
chroot location.

If you go back through the list archive, you'll see some postings I've
made about this, this month.  They're in threads about BIND, or name
server.  The archive link is the URI below, in the list signature.  That
URI is not just for unsubscribing.

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[mike]

Tim,

I hate to be pendantic but, if you will look at your previous postings 
you will see that you were replying to me.

Obviously those previous posts did not impart enough information to 
solve the problem.

That would be the obvious reason to post the question again prefaced 
with the fact that I had started from a virgin install.

It should be fairly obvious that I have at least one domain up and 
functional based on my e-mail address.  So although a total rookie to 
Linux I am not completely clueless.

I am trying to leave the Dark Side (MicroShaft) due to this same type of 
attitude.

So just do me a favor, the next time I post a question, do not respond.

If I have offended anyone else on this e-mail chain I offer apologies in 
advance but a pet peeve of mine has just been stomped  on big time.

If I had wanted this, I would have stayed over on the Dark Side!

James M. Dwiggins
SFC USA (RET)

PS

If this means I get kicked off this this list, so be it!

Tim wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-04-20 at 18:49 -0700, Mike Dwiggins wrote:
> > I am trying to set up a second server which is going to have Master 
> > Zones and Slave Zones so must be a full nameserver not a caching-nameserver.
>
> It can be all three, at once...
> > I did a complete virgin install of FC 6 and then did a
> > yum install bind*
> >
> > I then went into /etc looking for named.conf,  all I could find was a 
> > caching-nameserver.conf.
> >
> > The caching-nameserver.conf contained a comment line that said to use 
> > system-config-bind to create a named.conf.
> >
> > A quick whatis system-config shows that there is no system-config-bind 
> > command in FC 6.
>
> Install it, as well...  Or just make up your own named.conf file, by
> hand, and have it "include" the other config file.
>
> By the way, they're actually in /var/named/chroot/etc/ not just /etc/.
> The /etc/ directory just has symlinks pointing to the files in the
> chroot location.
>
> If you go back through the list archive, you'll see some postings I've
> made about this, this month.  They're in threads about BIND, or name
> server.  The archive link is the URI below, in the list signature.  That
> URI is not just for unsubscribing.

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On Monday 23 April 2007, Mike Dwiggins wrote:
> pendantic

I was wondering what this word means. It means absolutely 
nothing because it is not a word. This was also the first 
time I had heard of pedantic.

Found this with Google

http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=238

The non-word ‘pendantic’ is amazingly popular- over 21,000 
ghits. And, as a substitute for ‘pedantic’ it has a 
delightfully self-undercutting character- anyone who 
worries that he’s being too pendantic about words can stop 
worrying! I’m less clear what- if any- semantic 
reinterpretation is taking place.

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[mike]

When I first saw it in school back in the "Gasp" 60's it was a polite 
way of saying "not trying to be an asshole" but, I have been described 
as that many times.

Mike

[e-mail] wrote:
> On Monday 23 April 2007, Mike Dwiggins wrote:
> > pendantic
>
> I was wondering what this word means. It means absolutely 
> nothing because it is not a word. This was also the first 
> time I had heard of pedantic.
>
> Found this with Google
>
> http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=238
>
> The non-word ‘pendantic’ is amazingly popular- over 21,000 
> ghits. And, as a substitute for ‘pedantic’ it has a 
> delightfully self-undercutting character- anyone who 
> worries that he’s being too pendantic about words can stop 
> worrying! I’m less clear what- if any- semantic 
> reinterpretation is taking place.

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On Monday 23 April 2007, Mike Dwiggins wrote:
> When I first saw it in school back in the "Gasp" 60's it
> was a polite way of saying "not trying to be an asshole"
> but, I have been described as that many times.
>
> Mike
>
> [e-mail] wrote:
> > On Monday 23 April 2007, Mike Dwiggins wrote:
> > > pendantic
> >
> > I was wondering what this word means. It means
> > absolutely nothing because it is not a word. This was
> > also the first time I had heard of pedantic.

Here is an interesting read on it from:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedant

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[mike]

Sounds about right, my generation di not want to be accused of  being 
pedants so we (or our previous generation) made up a new word.  Meaning 
of pendantic stays the same "Not trying to be an asshole but, making a 
point here!"

Mike

PS

This whole discussion goes to the heart of my post.  I am not trying to 
be an asshole, just telling someone that they ain't helping the discussion!

Mike

[e-mail] wrote:
> On Monday 23 April 2007, Mike Dwiggins wrote:
> > When I first saw it in school back in the "Gasp" 60's it
> > was a polite way of saying "not trying to be an asshole"
> > but, I have been described as that many times.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > [e-mail] wrote:
> > > On Monday 23 April 2007, Mike Dwiggins wrote:
> > > > pendantic
> > >
> > > I was wondering what this word means. It means
> > > absolutely nothing because it is not a word. This was
> > > also the first time I had heard of pedantic.
>
> Here is an interesting read on it from:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedant

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On Sun, 22 Apr 2007, Mike Dwiggins wrote:
> Sounds about right, my generation di not want to be accused of  being pedants
> Meaning of pendantic 
> stays the same "Not trying to be an asshole but, making a point here!"

And you can use the word pendantic as many times in the board room as you 
want, where as the other might not be well received :)

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[Tim]

On Sun, 2007-04-22 at 22:25 -0700, Mike Dwiggins wrote:
> I hate to be pendantic but, if you will look at your previous postings
> you will see that you were replying to me.

No idea why you've got your knickers in a twist about that.  The reply
was addressed to you, and if you're referring to other threads it really
is too much to expect someone else to remember every single thread when
there's about 200 messages a day being read.
> Obviously those previous posts did not impart enough information to
> solve the problem.

Obviously.  Perhaps you might try losing the attitude.  Perhaps you're
repeatedly asking the same questions hoping to get a different answer.
> That would be the obvious reason to post the question again prefaced
> with the fact that I had started from a virgin install.

Starting a new thread does make it harder to associate it with a prior
one.  If you were continuing on an older thread, but had changed some of
the circumstances (such as a fresh install), and wanted people to know
both of those facts, you shouldn't have started a new thread.
> It should be fairly obvious that I have at least one domain up and
> functional based on my e-mail address.  So although a total rookie to
> Linux I am not completely clueless.

Nothing was obvious, like that, in your thread.  People often use bogus
examples.  We couldn't possibly know what you've just alluded to.
> I am trying to leave the Dark Side (MicroShaft) due to this same type
> of attitude.

The one with the attitude has been you.  You've been given a lot of
help, and now your bitching about it.
> So just do me a favor, the next time I post a question, do not
> respond.

How about you shove your head back up where it belongs?  Here's a hint
on how mailing lists and news groups work:  Someone says something,
others join in and discuss.  You read what you want, you respond to what
you want to.  You're not forced to read nor reply to anything.  If
no-one else chimes in, it's a fair bet that you've been given the same
answer they would have given you, or nobody else has an answer to give
you.
> If I have offended anyone else on this e-mail chain I offer apologies
> in advance but a pet peeve of mine has just been stomped  on big time.

That's a piss-poor apology.
> If I had wanted this, I would have stayed over on the Dark Side!

Let's see what the hell you're bitching about, the prior message follows
(with the quote indicators, the unquoted comments were added with this
message):

Mike Dwiggins wrote:
> > > I am trying to set up a second server which is going to have Master 
> > > Zones and Slave Zones so must be a full nameserver not a caching-nameserver.

Tim:
> > It can be all three, at once...

So far, so good.  Mike's said what he wanted to do, but has mistakenly
believed that a master or slave server cannot also be a caching name
server.  This misbelief has been corrected.  Tough if Mike doesn't like
that, but it's a fact.

Why bring it up?  Because it means fighting against something (avoiding
a caching name server configuration) when it's not needed.  The name
server can be a caching one, you don't need to avoid it.  It doesn't
have to be one.  You can just use what you've got.  i.e. Don't chase a
red herring while trying to work out your problem, you're just wasting
your time.
> > > I did a complete virgin install of FC 6 and then did a
> > > yum install bind*
> > >
> > > I then went into /etc looking for named.conf,  all I could find was a 
> > > caching-nameserver.conf.
> > >
> > > The caching-nameserver.conf contained a comment line that said to use 
> > > system-config-bind to create a named.conf.
> > >
> > > A quick whatis system-config shows that there is no system-config-bind 
> > > command in FC 6.

Again, no problem.  Mike's said what he's done, defined a problem, and
we can use it to provide some answers.  Here's some:
> > Install it, as well...  Or just make up your own named.conf file, by
> > hand, and have it "include" the other config file.

There's the answer.  Install what wasn't installed, additionally
(system-config-bind).  *If* you want to.  Or create what was needed,
without installing anything else (the named.conf file, and one way to go
about doing it).  I could forsee further questions about exactly how to
create that named.conf file, if the poster didn't try experimenting.
But nothing to complain about that reply, unless you're a moron.
> > By the way, they're actually in /var/named/chroot/etc/ not just /etc/.
> > The /etc/ directory just has symlinks pointing to the files in the
> > chroot location.

Additional information, just in case the poster puts something where
they expect it to be (/etc), rather than where BIND expect it (in the
chroot /etc).  Since Mike hasn't managed to get it working yet, it must
be presumed that a few hints here and there over common stumbling blocks
might be needed.  That was a common one.  Still nothing to complain
about, unless you're an idiot.
> > If you go back through the list archive, you'll see some postings I've
> > made about this, this month.  They're in threads about BIND, or name
> > server.  The archive link is the URI below, in the list signature.  That
> > URI is not just for unsubscribing.

More additional information, regarding configuring slave and master
servers, just in case it helps to go back through previously provided
information on this subject.  Again, nothing to complain about unless
you're an idiot.

So, Mike...  Are you a complete idiot, or do you only do it part time?

[Rick Stevens]

On Fri, 2007-04-20 at 18:49 -0700, Mike Dwiggins wrote:
> OK,
>  I am trying to set up a second server which is going to have Master 
> Zones and Slave Zones so must be a full nameserver not a caching-nameserver.
>
> I did a complete virgin install of FC 6 and then did a
> yum install bind*
>
> I then went into /etc looking for named.conf,  all I could find was a 
> caching-nameserver.conf.
>
> The caching-nameserver.conf contained a comment line that said to use 
> system-config-bind to create a named.conf.
>
> A quick whatis system-config shows that there is no system-config-bind 
> command in FC 6.

yum install system-config-bind
> Being a rookie enough to have never seen a full nameserver named.conf I 
> have no idea how to proceed from here.
>
> Help!!!
>
> Mike Dwiggins
>
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[mike]

Thanks Rick,

What is driving me nuts is that I have a RHEL 4 ES box running right 
beside the FC 6 box.

The RHEL is functioning quite well, as a point of fact it is the server 
that this mail application is running on.

What the difference in RHEL 4 and FC 6 that a nameserver works perfectly 
on one and not at all on the other with the same bind setup is 
frustrating beyond belief.

Thank God I have never run into this with the Cisco stuff I normally 
work with.

I am just so fed up with Microsoft at work and wiith their support 
attitude that making FC 6 work has become something of a crusade with me.

Again Thanks

Mike Dwiggins

Rick Stevens wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-04-20 at 18:49 -0700, Mike Dwiggins wrote:
> > OK,
> >  I am trying to set up a second server which is going to have Master 
> > Zones and Slave Zones so must be a full nameserver not a caching-nameserver.
> >
> > I did a complete virgin install of FC 6 and then did a
> > yum install bind*
> >
> > I then went into /etc looking for named.conf,  all I could find was a 
> > caching-nameserver.conf.
> >
> > The caching-nameserver.conf contained a comment line that said to use 
> > system-config-bind to create a named.conf.
> >
> > A quick whatis system-config shows that there is no system-config-bind 
> > command in FC 6.
>
> yum install system-config-bind
> > Being a rookie enough to have never seen a full nameserver named.conf I 
> > have no idea how to proceed from here.
> >
> > Help!!!
> >
> > Mike Dwiggins
> >
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[mike]

Again Thanks Rick,

That did the trick.  The gui version set up the .conf file slightly 
differently.

I can go to /var/log/messages and see the service starting and the 
notifies being transmitted for the zone.

nslookup from within the server resolves the FQDN no problem.

My SOA and A records are not propagating properly but thats a problem 
between me and Network Solutions.

Again Thanks much.

Mike Dwiggins

Mike Dwiggins wrote:
> Thanks Rick,
>
> What is driving me nuts is that I have a RHEL 4 ES box running right 
> beside the FC 6 box.
>
> The RHEL is functioning quite well, as a point of fact it is the 
> server that this mail application is running on.
>
> What the difference in RHEL 4 and FC 6 that a nameserver works 
> perfectly on one and not at all on the other with the same bind setup 
> is frustrating beyond belief.
>
> Thank God I have never run into this with the Cisco stuff I normally 
> work with.
>
> I am just so fed up with Microsoft at work and wiith their support 
> attitude that making FC 6 work has become something of a crusade with me.
>
> Again Thanks
>
> Mike Dwiggins
>
> Rick Stevens wrote:
> > On Fri, 2007-04-20 at 18:49 -0700, Mike Dwiggins wrote:
> > > OK,
> > >  I am trying to set up a second server which is going to have Master 
> > > Zones and Slave Zones so must be a full nameserver not a caching-nameserver.
> > >
> > > I did a complete virgin install of FC 6 and then did a
> > > yum install bind*
> > >
> > > I then went into /etc looking for named.conf,  all I could find was a 
> > > caching-nameserver.conf.
> > >
> > > The caching-nameserver.conf contained a comment line that said to use 
> > > system-config-bind to create a named.conf.
> > >
> > > A quick whatis system-config shows that there is no system-config-bind 
> > > command in FC 6.
> >
> > yum install system-config-bind
> > > Being a rookie enough to have never seen a full nameserver named.conf I 
> > > have no idea how to proceed from here.
> > >
> > > Help!!!
> > >
> > > Mike Dwiggins
> > >
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[Rick Stevens]

On Mon, 2007-04-23 at 21:05 -0700, Mike Dwiggins wrote:
> Thanks Rick,
>
> What is driving me nuts is that I have a RHEL 4 ES box running right
> beside the FC 6 box.
>
> The RHEL is functioning quite well, as a point of fact it is the
> server that this mail application is running on.
>
> What the difference in RHEL 4 and FC 6 that a nameserver works
> perfectly on one and not at all on the other with the same bind setup
> is frustrating beyond belief.

Have you examined the /var/log/messages file to see what it says?  Bind
can be pretty chatty when it finds stuff it doesn't like.  You can also
try running it via "named -d 9" to raise the logging level or even
"named -d 9 -g" to raise logging level, run it in the foreground (not
as a daemon) and log everything to the console.

Another thing to check is to ensure that port 53 under both TCP and UDP
on the FC6 machine allow connections in iptables (port 53 is DNS).
> Thank God I have never run into this with the Cisco stuff I normally
> work with.

It's normally not that hard.  As I said, check the logs for error
messages and check iptables to make sure port 53 is open.  If both the
RHEL and FC box are on the same network, fire up named on the FC box and
run "nmap" against it from the RHEL box.  Verify that port 53 is open.
> I am just so fed up with Microsoft at work and with their support
> attitude that making FC 6 work has become something of a crusade with
> me.

Amen!
> Rick Stevens wrote:
> > On Fri, 2007-04-20 at 18:49 -0700, Mike Dwiggins wrote:
> > > OK,
> > >  I am trying to set up a second server which is going to have Master 
> > > Zones and Slave Zones so must be a full nameserver not a caching-nameserver.
> > >
> > > I did a complete virgin install of FC 6 and then did a
> > > yum install bind*
> > >
> > > I then went into /etc looking for named.conf,  all I could find was a 
> > > caching-nameserver.conf.
> > >
> > > The caching-nameserver.conf contained a comment line that said to use 
> > > system-config-bind to create a named.conf.
> > >
> > > A quick whatis system-config shows that there is no system-config-bind 
> > > command in FC 6.
> >
> > yum install system-config-bind
> > > Being a rookie enough to have never seen a full nameserver named.conf I 
> > > have no idea how to proceed from here.
> > >
> > > Help!!!
> > >
> > > Mike Dwiggins
> > >
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