Should we update the POT ASAP? => What to change

[Kévin Raymond]

Hi there,

Finally I am taking the time to translate... And could find some issues.

 * in stg.fpo/features, "(view a list of compatible themes here.)"  =>
"here" shouldn't be a link to http://www.adiumxtras.com/ ?
 * /data/content/using/tutorials/*   *many* strings are not
translatable. I didn't notice that before.
 * /data/content/using/tutorials/*  "Read about more ways to use
Fedora'))}!<" the '!' should be in the translated string.

What do you think guys? If you're ok, I could update it tomorrow
night, build the new POT and merge po files, and then notify the trans
team.

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Kévin Raymond
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[Sijis Aviles]

On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 5:26 PM, shaiton <shaiton(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:

>  Hi there,
>
>  Finally I am taking the time to translate... And could find some issues.
>
>   * in stg.fpo/features, "(view a list of compatible themes here.)"  =>
>  "here" shouldn't be a link to http://www.adiumxtras.com/ ?
>  
I think mizmo may have a better idea about what this text should link to.


>   * /data/content/using/tutorials/*   *many* strings are not
>  translatable. I didn't notice that before.
>   * /data/content/using/tutorials/*  "Read about more ways to use
>  Fedora'))}!<" the '!' should be in the translated string.
>
>  What do you think guys? If you're ok, I could update it tomorrow
>  night, build the new POT and merge po files, and then notify the trans
>  team.
>
>  
i think that putting extra, last minute, work on the trans group will look
bad for us especially since we've already asked them twice for 2 exceptions.
I do think that its necessary to translate it and looking at the stats in
transifex[1], it appears only 6 out of ~48 languages are 100%. If we keep
adding it, they will never get done.
At the same time, it does need to be translated at some point (and
preferrably before/by GA).

I think it would probably be best to ask them to allow this update. However,
we have to make sure that we double-check that all the files are in fact
marked up to be translatable. This way it *should* be the last update we
provide them.

Anyone have an other ideas or suggestions on how to approach this or do you
agree with my thought?

Sijis

[1] -
https://translate.fedoraproject.org/projects/p/fedora-web/c/master-fedora...

[Elad]

2010/10/25 Sijis Aviles <sijis(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
>  On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 5:26 PM, shaiton <shaiton(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
> >
> > Hi there,
> >
> > Finally I am taking the time to translate... And could find some issues.
> >
> >  * in stg.fpo/features, "(view a list of compatible themes here.)"  =>
> > "here" shouldn't be a link to http://www.adiumxtras.com/ ?
>
>  I think mizmo may have a better idea about what this text should link to.
>
> >
> >  * /data/content/using/tutorials/*   *many* strings are not
> > translatable. I didn't notice that before.
> >  * /data/content/using/tutorials/*  "Read about more ways to use
> > Fedora'))}!<" the '!' should be in the translated string.
> >
> > What do you think guys? If you're ok, I could update it tomorrow
> > night, build the new POT and merge po files, and then notify the trans
> > team.
> >
>
>  i think that putting extra, last minute, work on the trans group will look
>  bad for us especially since we've already asked them twice for 2 exceptions.
>  I do think that its necessary to translate it and looking at the stats in
>  transifex[1], it appears only 6 out of ~48 languages are 100%. If we keep
>  adding it, they will never get done.
>  At the same time, it does need to be translated at some point (and
>  preferrably before/by GA).
>
>  I think it would probably be best to ask them to allow this update. However,
>  we have to make sure that we double-check that all the files are in fact
>  marked up to be translatable. This way it *should* be the last update we
>  provide them.
>
>  Anyone have an other ideas or suggestions on how to approach this or do you
>  agree with my thought?
>
>  Sijis
>
>  [1] -
>  https://translate.fedoraproject.org/projects/p/fedora-web/c/master-fedora...
>
>
>
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It won't be the last update, we will have to update the POT after GA
anyway, to include all the missing strings in the tutorials and
interviews.

i think that we should add all small string changes to the POT update
before GA, and keep the big changes to the one after GA.
also, don't forget to make "A Red Hat Community Project" translatable as
well.

even if we don't add more strings, most langs will not be able to
reach 100% before GA.
-- 
-Elad.

[Kévin Raymond]

On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 7:44 AM, Elad <el.il(a)doom.co.il&gt; wrote:
>  2010/10/25 Sijis Aviles <sijis(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 5:26 PM, shaiton <shaiton(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi there,
> >>
> >> Finally I am taking the time to translate... And could find some issues.
> >>
> >>  * in stg.fpo/features, "(view a list of compatible themes here.)"
>  =>
> >> "here" shouldn't be a link to http://www.adiumxtras.com/ ?
> >
> > I think mizmo may have a better idea about what this text should link to.
> >
> >>
> >>  * /data/content/using/tutorials/*   *many* strings are not
> >> translatable. I didn't notice that before.
> >>  * /data/content/using/tutorials/*  "Read about more ways to use
> >> Fedora'))}!<" the '!' should be in the translated string.
> >>
> >> What do you think guys? If you're ok, I could update it tomorrow
> >> night, build the new POT and merge po files, and then notify the trans
> >> team.
> >>
> >
> > i think that putting extra, last minute, work on the trans group will look
> > bad for us especially since we've already asked them twice for 2 exceptions.
+1. That's the point of my email.


[snip]

> >
>
>  It won't be the last update, we will have to update the POT after GA
>  anyway, to include all the missing strings in the tutorials and
>  interviews.
>
>  i think that we should add all small string changes to the POT update
>  before GA, and keep the big changes to the one after GA.
>  also, don't forget to make "A Red Hat Community Project" translatable as
> well.
>
>  even if we don't add more strings, most langs will not be able to
>  reach 100% before GA.
>  --
>  -Elad.
>  
I agree for waiting some days before update the POT.
But I think that we need to update at least the string containing the
missing link. I'll see with mizmo.

The point is, what else need to be updated? (for next week?)

-- 
Kévin Raymond
GPG-Key: A5BCB3A2

[Elad]

2010/10/25 shaiton <shaiton(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
>  On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 7:44 AM, Elad <el.il(a)doom.co.il&gt;
> wrote:
> > 2010/10/25 Sijis Aviles <sijis(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 5:26 PM, shaiton <shaiton(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi there,
> >>>
> >>> Finally I am taking the time to translate... And could find some issues.
> >>>
> >>>  * in stg.fpo/features, "(view a list of compatible themes here.)"
>  =>
> >>> "here" shouldn't be a link to http://www.adiumxtras.com/ ?
> >>
> >> I think mizmo may have a better idea about what this text should link to.
> >>
> >>>
> >>>  * /data/content/using/tutorials/*   *many* strings are not
> >>> translatable. I didn't notice that before.
> >>>  * /data/content/using/tutorials/*  "Read about more ways to use
> >>> Fedora'))}!<" the '!' should be in the translated
> string.
> >>>
> >>> What do you think guys? If you're ok, I could update it tomorrow
> >>> night, build the new POT and merge po files, and then notify the trans
> >>> team.
> >>>
> >>
> >> i think that putting extra, last minute, work on the trans group will look
> >> bad for us especially since we've already asked them twice for 2 exceptions.
>
>  +1. That's the point of my email.
>
>
>  [snip]
>
> >>
> >
> > It won't be the last update, we will have to update the POT after GA
> > anyway, to include all the missing strings in the tutorials and
> > interviews.
> >
> > i think that we should add all small string changes to the POT update
> > before GA, and keep the big changes to the one after GA.
> > also, don't forget to make "A Red Hat Community Project" translatable
> as well.
> >
> > even if we don't add more strings, most langs will not be able to
> > reach 100% before GA.
> > --
> > -Elad.
> >
>
>  I agree for waiting some days before update the POT.
>  But I think that we need to update at least the string containing the
>  missing link. I'll see with mizmo.
>
>  The point is, what else need to be updated? (for next week?)
>
>  --
>  Kévin Raymond
>  GPG-Key: A5BCB3A2
>  
We discovered that all text in pages under "Using Fedora" (tutorials
and interviews) isn't marked for translation. There are lots of long
strings there, so we agreed to update the POT with those strings after
GA, to ease on the translation teams.


-- 
-Elad.

[Paul W. Frields]

On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 11:02:05AM +0200, Elad wrote:
>  2010/10/25 shaiton <shaiton(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
>  > On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 7:44 AM, Elad <el.il(a)doom.co.il&gt; wrote:
>  >> 2010/10/25 Sijis Aviles <sijis(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
>  >>> On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 5:26 PM, shaiton <shaiton(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
> wrote:
>  >>>>
>  >>>> Hi there,
>  >>>>
>  >>>> Finally I am taking the time to translate... And could find some
> issues.
>  >>>>
>  >>>>  * in stg.fpo/features, "(view a list of compatible themes
> here.)"  =>
>  >>>> "here" shouldn't be a link to http://www.adiumxtras.com/
> ?
>  >>>
>  >>> I think mizmo may have a better idea about what this text should link to.
>  >>>
>  >>>>
>  >>>>  * /data/content/using/tutorials/*   *many* strings are not
>  >>>> translatable. I didn't notice that before.
>  >>>>  * /data/content/using/tutorials/*  "Read about more ways to use
>  >>>> Fedora'))}!<" the '!' should be in the translated
> string.
>  >>>>
>  >>>> What do you think guys? If you're ok, I could update it tomorrow
>  >>>> night, build the new POT and merge po files, and then notify the trans
>  >>>> team.
>  >>>>
>  >>>
>  >>> i think that putting extra, last minute, work on the trans group will look
>  >>> bad for us especially since we've already asked them twice for 2
> exceptions.
>  >
>  > +1. That's the point of my email.
>  >
>  >
>  > [snip]
>  >>
>  >> It won't be the last update, we will have to update the POT after GA
>  >> anyway, to include all the missing strings in the tutorials and
>  >> interviews.
>  >>
>  >> i think that we should add all small string changes to the POT update
>  >> before GA, and keep the big changes to the one after GA.
>  >> also, don't forget to make "A Red Hat Community Project"
> translatable as well.
>  >>
>  >> even if we don't add more strings, most langs will not be able to
>  >> reach 100% before GA.
>  >
>  > I agree for waiting some days before update the POT.
>  > But I think that we need to update at least the string containing the
>  > missing link. I'll see with mizmo.
>  >
>  > The point is, what else need to be updated? (for next week?)
>  >
>  We discovered that all text in pages under "Using Fedora" (tutorials
>  and interviews) isn't marked for translation. There are lots of long
>  strings there, so we agreed to update the POT with those strings after
>  GA, to ease on the translation teams. 
Please be sure to communicate this to the L10N team through their
trans(a)fp.o list, so they know what to expect (and what not to
expect).  Frequently translators ask why certain strings aren't
present, so it's good to have them informed in advance.

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