Questionnaire on FUDCon locations :)

[Ankur Sinha]

Hey, 

Since I've been tasked with completing this page[1], I need some info on
Pune and Bangalore (since I'm not in any of these locations currently)

Can the people from Pune and Bangalore($location) please answer these
questions? 

1 - What are the facilities available at $location with for hosting a
FUDCon? (location Requirements: Plenty of space, good wireless internet,
projectors etc,)

2 - What are the facilities available for lodging? ( a few names would
be awesome, rates if mentioned would be even more awesome)

3 - Public transport facilities, ie, how to travel to and from the
venue?

4 - facilities for catering?

5 - what days/periods would the venue, lodgings be available?

6 - How to get to $location? approx prices? (air ports, trains, buses)

7 - anything extra youd like to mention?


[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon_and_FAD_locations

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[Hiemanshu Sharma]

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On 03/23/2010 02:02 PM, Ankur Sinha wrote:
>  Hey, 
>  
>  Since I've been tasked with completing this page[1], I need some info on
>  Pune and Bangalore (since I'm not in any of these locations currently)
>  
>  Can the people from Pune and Bangalore($location) please answer these
>  questions? 
>  
>  1 - What are the facilities available at $location with for hosting a
>  FUDCon? (location Requirements: Plenty of space, good wireless internet,
>  projectors etc,)
>   
There are many places that be rented out for these events, we can even
speak to a few colleges that might be interested in hosting such a thing.
>  2 - What are the facilities available for lodging? ( a few names
> would
>  be awesome, rates if mentioned would be even more awesome)
>   
There are quite a few places around for lodging. It all depends on the
venue. For example where FOSS.in was hosted, there were lodges close by
to the venue.
>  3 - Public transport facilities, ie, how to travel to and from the
>  venue?
>   
Bus is available to all the major places in the city.
>  4 - facilities for catering?
>   
I can get this done if needed. Even if you want specific kind of food on
a specific day that can be done. Know quite a few places that does catering.
>  5 - what days/periods would the venue, lodgings be available?
>   
Almost all round the year.
>  6 - How to get to $location? approx prices? (air ports, trains,
> buses)
>   
Flight to Bangalore should not exceed 4000INR per flight from most of
the well know cities. Trains and buses are cheaper and better options.
>  7 - anything extra youd like to mention?
>   
For people who have not been to Bangalore sightseeing could be arranged
for easily. Lot of places that have to be visited. To name a few Iskcon
temple, the Shiv Mandir (Shrink and kital know about it), Lalbagh
(spread over 40 acres, takes a day to be able to see most of it). Also
bangalore has optimal weather around the sept/oct period.

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[Rangeen Basu]

I can talk to RVCE authorities and see if they are interested to host
the event.

Also, Pune would be a better option in my opinion. As discussed in the
meeting, this will allow lot of Fedora developers from Redhat to
participate easily thus reducing the budget.

-- 
Regards
Rangeen Basu Roy Chowdhury
Fedora Ambassador
sherry151(a)gmail.com

[Debarshi Ray]

Let me a pain in your arse and spoil the fun.

Why do we need a FUDCon in India? What difference will it make to Fedora?

Happy hacking,
Debarshi
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One reason that life is complex is that it has a real part and an
imaginary part.
    -- Andrew Koenig

[Ankur Sinha]

On Tue, 2010-03-23 at 23:21 +0200, Debarshi Ray wrote:
>  Let me a pain in your arse and spoil the fun.
>  
>  Why do we need a FUDCon in India? What difference will it make to Fedora?
>  
>  Happy hacking,
>  Debarshi 
O_o

Lets exchange places on that one. I'll be the pain in your behind this
time and keep the fun going ;)

http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/india/2010-March/003093.html

http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/india/2010-March/003099.html

If it was your idea of fun mate, it was a real rotten one. 

If people are not interested in the FUDCon for whatever reason, now
would be a good time to speak up since some of us are taking up
responsibilities, tasks and working for it, and we don't appreciate
being sent on useless errands. 

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[Ashwin]

On 24-Mar-10 7:37 AM, Ankur Sinha wrote:
>  On Tue, 2010-03-23 at 23:21 +0200, Debarshi Ray wrote:
> > Let me a pain in your arse and spoil the fun.
> >
> > Why do we need a FUDCon in India? What difference will it make to Fedora?
> >
> > Happy hacking,
> > Debarshi
>
>  O_o
>
>  Lets exchange places on that one. I'll be the pain in your behind this
>  time and keep the fun going ;)
>
>  http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/india/2010-March/003093.html
>
>  http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/india/2010-March/003099.html 
Reference to these posts does not indicate anything.

>  If it was your idea of fun mate, it was a real rotten one. 
Debarshi's query is a simple one. Do not blame him for asking.

Either you answer or let someone else answer, why ridicule ?

>  If people are not interested in the FUDCon for whatever reason, now
>  would be a good time to speak up since some of us are taking up
>  responsibilities, tasks and working for it, and we don't appreciate
>  being sent on useless errands. 

This for the list - If there is no answer to such a simple query, how 
come engaging people is justified, for an event which does not have a 
clear agenda ?

with Regards,
ASHWIN

[Ankur Sinha]

On Wed, 2010-03-24 at 09:32 +0530, Ashwin wrote:
>  On 24-Mar-10 7:37 AM, Ankur Sinha wrote:
>  > On Tue, 2010-03-23 at 23:21 +0200, Debarshi Ray wrote:
>  >> Let me a pain in your arse and spoil the fun.
>  >>
>  >> Why do we need a FUDCon in India? What difference will it make to Fedora?
>  >>
>  >> Happy hacking,
>  >> Debarshi
>  >
>  > O_o
>  >
>  > Lets exchange places on that one. I'll be the pain in your behind this
>  > time and keep the fun going ;)
>  >
>  > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/india/2010-March/003093.html
>  >
>  > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/india/2010-March/003099.html
>  
>  Reference to these posts does not indicate anything.
>   
It does.

It's ironic how the idea was added to the agenda in the first place
(only topic on agenda, btw) , and is being questioned now after *two*
meetings on it. What were the two meetings held for? Did we simply waste
a Fedora-India specific townhall meeting?

>  >
>  > If it was your idea of fun mate, it was a real rotten one.
>  
>  Debarshi's query is a simple one. Do not blame him for asking.
>  
>  Either you answer or let someone else answer, why ridicule ?
>   
I did not ridicule. There is no issue at all, it's still a discussion
and will stay that way. Please don't give it such a negative outlook :)

As for the answer to the question:

http://press.redhat.com/2009/07/15/fudcon-berlin-provides-venue-for-secur...

I think the FUDCon at India will benefit Fedora the same way. 
We *are* the *third largest* contributor to Fedora.  (read /topic at
#fedora-india)

In the spirit of a good, constructive discussion, I request you to put
forward your views on why a FUDCon in India is a bad idea. 

>  >
>  > If people are not interested in the FUDCon for whatever reason, now
>  > would be a good time to speak up since some of us are taking up
>  > responsibilities, tasks and working for it, and we don't appreciate
>  > being sent on useless errands.
>  
>  
>  This for the list - If there is no answer to such a simple query, how 
>  come engaging people is justified, for an event which does not have a 
>  clear agenda ?
>   
No one has engaged anyone. It is justified to request people to use the
meetings correctly and present their views, *before* a decision is
passed and some work has begun. It's everyone's responsibility when
you're working with such a large community. 

You'd have a bad taste in the mouth too if you had begun working on
something related to the FUDCon. 

You didn't answer the question either :)

>  with Regards,
>  ASHWIN
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[Debarshi Ray]

> http://press.redhat.com/2009/07/15/fudcon-berlin-provides-venue-for-secur...
>
>  I think the FUDCon at India will benefit Fedora the same way. 
How? Please try to come up with specific points. Try to come to the
level where you actually place the *s and ;s in your source code.

>  We *are* the *third largest* contributor to Fedora.  (read /topic at
>  #fedora-india) 
That means nothing. Nothing whatsoever. First, second, third,
whatever. Those are just buzzwords. They sound nice on a newspaper,
magazine or tabloid.

At the end of the day, what counts is your name in the changelog and
the diff associated with it. Having or not having your name in a
magazine might make you happy or sad, but has nothing to do with the
respect that you earn within the community.

>  In the spirit of a good, constructive discussion, I request you to
> put
>  forward your views on why a FUDCon in India is a bad idea. 
It is not about "why a FUDCon in India is a bad idea". I can be a
cynic and come up with a dozen reasons. That is not the point.

The point is to think how it is going to make an impact. I tried to
provide some indications on this on IRC yesterday, but unfortunately
it got drowned in the ensuing disucussion.

Cheers,
Debarshi
-- 
One reason that life is complex is that it has a real part and an
imaginary part.
    -- Andrew Koenig

[Debarshi Ray]

>  Lets exchange places on that one. I'll be the pain in your behind
> this
>  time and keep the fun going ;) 
Sure. I like fun.

> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/india/2010-March/003093.html
>
>  http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/india/2010-March/003099.html 
Well, if you search through your inbox you will find out something
about: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:India_2010

>  If it was your idea of fun mate, it was a real rotten one. 
I have a rotten sense of humour.

In any case, since there was going to be a townhall meeting I thought
it would be a good opportunity to discuss it. The presence of the Wiki
page can be assumed to be an indication that there is some interest in
having a FUDCon in India.

>  If people are not interested in the FUDCon for whatever reason, now
>  would be a good time to speak up since some of us are taking up
>  responsibilities, tasks and working for it, and we don't appreciate
>  being sent on useless errands. 
Here in lies the whole story.

No one is sending you on useless errands. You are doing it because you
like or want to do it. There is no lord/lady/God/Godess asking you to
work. While this may sound all very good and nice, there is a catch
here. You can not rely on $DEITY to take up the task of giving
direction and purpose to the event. It is you who has to work on that
as well. Your responsibilities include decision-making and execution.
While lifting up chairs and hanging posters and arranging the
microphones is back breaking work, it is only the execution part of
it. The decision making is the other part and it is not easy either.
Don't avoid it.

Remember when you talk about a FUDCon in India, you are the face of
India in front of the whole world. You represent India. Don't take it
lightly.

Cheers,
Debarshi

PS: I should have probably used 'we' instead of 'you', but that does
not change the point. I am not blaming you, nor am I pissed off with
you. :-)
-- 
One reason that life is complex is that it has a real part and an
imaginary part.
    -- Andrew Koenig

[Ankur Sinha]

On Wed, 2010-03-24 at 11:01 +0200, Debarshi Ray wrote:
>  > Lets exchange places on that one. I'll be the pain in your
> behind this
>  > time and keep the fun going ;)
>  
>  Sure. I like fun.
>  
>  > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/india/2010-March/003093.html
>  >
>  > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/india/2010-March/003099.html
>  
>  Well, if you search through your inbox you will find out something
>  about: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:India_2010
>  
>  If it was your idea of fun mate, it was a real rotten one.
>  
>  I have a rotten sense of humour.
>   
No kidding :)

>  In any case, since there was going to be a townhall meeting I
> thought
>  it would be a good opportunity to discuss it. The presence of the Wiki
>  page can be assumed to be an indication that there is some interest in
>  having a FUDCon in India.
>  
>  > If people are not interested in the FUDCon for whatever reason, now
>  > would be a good time to speak up since some of us are taking up
>  > responsibilities, tasks and working for it, and we don't appreciate
>  > being sent on useless errands.
>  
>  Here in lies the whole story.
>  
>  No one is sending you on useless errands. You are doing it because you
>  like or want to do it. There is no lord/lady/God/Godess asking you to
>  work. While this may sound all very good and nice, there is a catch
>  here. You can not rely on $DEITY to take up the task of giving
>  direction and purpose to the event. It is you who has to work on that
>  as well. Your responsibilities include decision-making and execution.
>  While lifting up chairs and hanging posters and arranging the
>  microphones is back breaking work, it is only the execution part of
>  it. The decision making is the other part and it is not easy either.
>  Don't avoid it.
>   
Well then, when the decision making was being done, at two meetings, all
these issues should've been clarified. Decisions cannot be made at
anyone's convenience. We had two meetings and took the decision to go
ahead with the FUDCon, and work/responsibilities taken. 

>  Remember when you talk about a FUDCon in India, you are the face of
>  India in front of the whole world. You represent India. Don't take it
>  lightly.
>   
I don't. The point is, I'm not the face alone. All of us are. 

>  Cheers,
>  Debarshi
>  
>  PS: I should have probably used 'we' instead of 'you', but that does
>  not change the point. I am not blaming you, nor am I pissed off with
>  you. :-) 
I'm starting a new thread on "FUDCon - India "OUR goals"". This
thread
has gone way of it's intended function and needs to be killed.

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[Aanjhan R]

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:21 PM, Debarshi Ray <debarshi.ray(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  Why do we need a FUDCon in India? What difference will it make to
> Fedora? 
I like pain in the A** stuff. It allows me not to sit down and relax,
instead keep working with constant attention to the pain ;-)

The points Rishi is trying to make (my perception) are the following.
Answer them and you might have answered Rishi.

1. Whats the objective of FUDCon India?

2. See the wiki pages of FUDCon Berlin or FUDCon Boston. See their
schedule and line-up. See the hackfests. Now IMO *that* really will
make a difference to Fedora. Some itch scratching, decision making. In
short spinning out code. Its highly important to figure out what one
expects at the end of FUDCon India. I dont see that anywhere in your
discussions. And yes, I read the IRC logs of the TownHall meeting as
well.

3. Just read the first para of
http://magazine.redhat.com/2009/02/13/video-fudcon-11/ (*collaborate*
on *features*, get ideas and work on itches).

4. Is it going to be another "Welcome to Fedora" thing *only* or
"Welcome to Fedora" + some solid feature collaboration +
brainstorming? If at the end you only have former, how different is it
from a Fedora Activity Day (FAD)?

Think on such lines. Set your objectives in place first. It will help
you in the planning process as well. All the best and with respect to
the venue - Pune or Kolkata should be the place. No idea why Bangalore
even got pictured here? Any reasons?

Regards,
Aanjhan
PS: Can anyone tell me the difference of the buzzwords FAD and FUDCon?
That might help the FUDCon India organisers know it is not FAD that
they are planning but FUDCon. The only page I see is a stub
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon_Planning_FAD