Hello list, Was there any meeting today ? We were supposed to have one today at 6:30 pm ?
Dhaval Giani wrote:
Rakesh Pandit wrote:
Hello list, Was there any meeting today ? We were supposed to have one today at 6:30 pm ?
Hi Rakesh,
I am curious. Are these meetings useful? Do you gain anything out of them? What is the aim of fedora-india?
The aim of Fedora India as a group is build and grow the community of contributors to Fedora and FOSS in India. The meetings have been useful for a number of things
* To keep track of what each other is doing and help out when we can. Getting started with a new project or cross reviewing each other's packages for example
* Help organize events
* To have IRC classes or workshops to teach and work on something - be it getting started or a new project like say review-o-matic, packaging, participating in some new tool development or something else related to the project
Without meetings, I don't know what the exact status of projects like review-o-matic. Has it been proposed as a Fedora 11 feature yet? It hasn't been working out as well it used to, primarily because I, for various reasons couldn't continue to lead the meetings and others haven't filled the gap either (my bad, since it wasn't discussed as much as it could have been).
If anyone following along is interested, there are fairly simple things to lead a meeting.
* Keep track of things related to Fedora ( new projects, free software events, L10N efforts etc) and contributors in this team are doing and try to help out and clarify things when you can. Report them in the meeting.
* See if you can find interesting new things you can get others involved in and talk about that.
* Set agenda each week and announce that in advance. Send reminders when necessary
* Post meeting mins and summaries when it is done (others can help out in this)
Let me know if any of this makes sense and if you want to help. On the other hand, if others don't find it as useful, we can just continue using the mailing lists for real work and occasional IRC chats for getting help and social banter.
Rahul
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Dhaval Giani wrote:
Rakesh Pandit wrote:
Hello list, Was there any meeting today ? We were supposed to have one today at 6:30 pm ?
Hi Rakesh,
I am curious. Are these meetings useful? Do you gain anything out of them? What is the aim of fedora-india?
The aim of Fedora India as a group is build and grow the community of contributors to Fedora and FOSS in India. The meetings have been useful for a number of things
A scary question here. So what have been results from the fedora india community? And how much have the IRC meetings helped. (As in, did you get any firm new contributor out of these IRC meetings, or did other things help, and what helped the most?)
- To keep track of what each other is doing and help out when we can.
Getting started with a new project or cross reviewing each other's packages for example
ML seems to work better here, except when real time assistance is required.
- Help organize events
ML is much better here.
- To have IRC classes or workshops to teach and work on something - be
it getting started or a new project like say review-o-matic, packaging, participating in some new tool development or something else related to the project
Makes sense.
Without meetings, I don't know what the exact status of projects like review-o-matic. Has it been proposed as a Fedora 11 feature yet? It hasn't been working out as well it used to, primarily because I, for various reasons couldn't continue to lead the meetings and others haven't filled the gap either (my bad, since it wasn't discussed as much as it could have been).
Why not send weekly updates on mailing lists?
<snip about how to help>
Let me know if any of this makes sense and if you want to help. On the other hand, if others don't find it as useful, we can just continue using the mailing lists for real work and occasional IRC chats for getting help and social banter.
While I don't have anything against the meeting in general, just the fact that I believe that mailing lists serve the purpose better.
Dhaval
Dhaval Giani wrote:
A scary question here. So what have been results from the fedora india community? And how much have the IRC meetings helped. (As in, did you get any firm new contributor out of these IRC meetings, or did other things help, and what helped the most?)
If I were asked to point out the single benefit from the IRC presence it is that it allows visibility to those working in the Fedora community to have access to each other. The IRC meetings in the most recent past had been aimed at gathering the Fedora Ambassador flock together. Not much success has happened on that though. We see increase in the # of Ambassadors, the # of active Ambassadors don't grow at the same rate.
Since a large part of the 'Classrooms' happened via #dgplug (we like to align with groups who are already doing the good work rather than re-invent everything), I'd wait for Kushal to give some pointers here.
A second (but none the less important) part is that the IRC meetings have enabled Susmit to come up with ideas to organize events and send across media to those who are willing to be local contacts. /me looks at Susmit to fill in here.
- To keep track of what each other is doing and help out when we can.
Getting started with a new project or cross reviewing each other's packages for example
ML seems to work better here, except when real time assistance is required.
For both of the points mentioned above and below, mailing lists and IRC combine to provide an efficient mechanism. For example, for Review-o-Matic and like projects, mailing lists, trac and IRC provide the context of discussions around which the project can move forward.
- Help organize events
ML is much better here.
See above. Additionally, a quick round up for an event prior to it does help. We did a couple of runs prior to the FUDCon and for some of the banner events (since we know have a list of event upcoming) it is easy to grab a quick IRC chat.
Why not send weekly updates on mailing lists?
<snip about how to help>
Let me know if any of this makes sense and if you want to help. On the other hand, if others don't find it as useful, we can just continue using the mailing lists for real work and occasional IRC chats for getting help and social banter.
While I don't have anything against the meeting in general, just the fact that I believe that mailing lists serve the purpose better.
Since the declared 'meetings' have logs sent to the list, they work out better in conjunction with the list.
A scary question here.
Why scary? Are you scared? or You think these questions will make others scared? I believe, in a open community any question can be asked, question does not "scare" us.
So what have been results from the fedora india community?
* Fixing the Fedora availability bit. * Organising new events and increasing fedora presence on a regional basis. * Helping out new contributors from (but not limited to) India. * Helping out people to learn up packaging and other things (already mentioned by Rahul) at real time. * Brainstorming about new ideas and how to solve existing problems.
And how much have the IRC meetings helped. (As in, did you get any firm new contributor out of these IRC meetings,
Yes, we have. But IRC meets are not intended to get new contributors. IRC sessions (as pointed out by Rahul) are there for that. IRC meets are for real quick updates, summarizing in very short, quick brainstorming ideas, without all those extra overheads associated with mailing list.
or did other things help, and what helped the most?)
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- To keep track of what each other is doing and help out when we can.
Getting started with a new project or cross reviewing each other's packages for example
ML seems to work better here, except when real time assistance is required.
That depends. If a new project tries to "step on the gas", ML is not the ideal way.
- Help organize events
ML is much better here.
Why so? I am curious to know.
Without meetings, I don't know what the exact status of projects like review-o-matic. Has it been proposed as a Fedora 11 feature yet? It hasn't been working out as well it used to, primarily because I, for various reasons couldn't continue to lead the meetings and others haven't filled the gap either (my bad, since it wasn't discussed as much as it could have been).
Why not send weekly updates on mailing lists?
As I said, if something is to be done quickly, ML is not the ideal way. When one is working on real time, he/she devotes his/her entire time and mind to the work at hand. And its is always better to have a dedicated one hour than a whole lax week.
While I don't have anything against the meeting in general, just the fact that I believe that mailing lists serve the purpose better.
Everyone has their choices. That's fine.
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 9:22 AM, susmit shannigrahi thinklinux.ssh@gmail.com wrote:
A scary question here.
Why scary? Are you scared? or You think these questions will make others scared? I believe, in a open community any question can be asked, question does not "scare" us.
Umm... I would say that Dhaval is right in asking the questions :) In fact, I end up answering similar questions at least a fortnight and, everytime I have to introspect as to what more needs to be done. There's a lot more that could be done, but that requires a proper tasking sheet.
Sometimes it is good to be asked simple questions - they make you think and end up making things clearer.
Umm... I would say that Dhaval is right in asking the questions :) In fact, I end up answering similar questions at least a fortnight and, everytime I have to introspect as to what more needs to be done. There's a lot more that could be done, but that requires a proper tasking sheet.
Ah, once the free media trac is done, I forgot to update, that I have asked for the hosting of that, we can have a trac for ambassadors. We were discussinbg this a few days earlier. :)
Sometimes it is good to be asked simple questions - they make you think and end up making things clearer.
I have no problem with the questions, they are welcome and I myself ask a lot of questions. I just wanted to know why the questions were scary. I didn't find anything scary about them. :)
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On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 10:14 AM, susmit shannigrahi thinklinux.ssh@gmail.com wrote:
Ah, once the free media trac is done, I forgot to update, that I have asked for the hosting of that, we can have a trac for ambassadors. We were discussinbg this a few days earlier. :)
*That* is a piece of good news early in the morning.
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay < foss.mailinglists@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 10:14 AM, susmit shannigrahi thinklinux.ssh@gmail.com wrote:
Ah, once the free media trac is done, I forgot to update, that I have asked for the hosting of that, we can have a trac for ambassadors. We were discussinbg this a few days earlier. :)
*That* is a piece of good news early in the morning.
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@Dhaval:
hi,
yes.. i can understand spec files etc.. because i was present at the class Rahul took for packaging.. He instroduced me to the whole packaging side of fedora.. Im into font packaging because that is where i began.. still a novice but learning.. When i refer to them as seniors i mean that they guide us newbies into what to do and how.. theyve had a LOT of patience with us.. the packaging meeting log alone will show you that.. Since the fedora-classroom has been initiated , i dont think rahul etc need to take ones specially for us, the classrooms are great..
We've been taught a lot and introduced to a lot of things we would have been unaware of otherwise..
as for Programming, it cannot be learnt in a day..and it really makes no sense to jump into bugfixing after learning a "hello world !" Im still at 3rd sem and am giving a lot of time to application development for linux.. I will be trying bug fixing etc in the near future.. I just dont want to go into it till im confident.. It will take time when youre teaching yourself..
The regular freemedia and spreading linux does not need to be mentioned each time..
@susmit : what do you mean by ambassador trac?? are we going to have to submit our contributions for scrutiny from the community?? please clarify.. regards, Ankur
@susmit :
what do you mean by ambassador trac?? are we going to have to submit our contributions for scrutiny from the community?? please clarify.. regards,
oops..*no*. like these to track the tasks at hand https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/report :)
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:17 AM, susmit shannigrahi < thinklinux.ssh@gmail.com> wrote:
@susmit :
what do you mean by ambassador trac?? are we going to have to submit our contributions for scrutiny from the community?? please clarify.. regards,
oops..*no*. like these to track the tasks at hand https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/report :)
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oh okay.. :) I forgot to mention.. What are the plans for FUDCon ? Anything been thought of yet..? regards, Ankur
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:25 AM, ankur sinha sanjay.ankur@gmail.com wrote:
I forgot to mention.. What are the plans for FUDCon ? Anything been thought of yet..?
Mea culpa. I have been busy this December to come up with a date and venue. I'd request some suspense till the New Year while I try and work things out :)
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay < foss.mailinglists@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:25 AM, ankur sinha sanjay.ankur@gmail.com wrote:
I forgot to mention.. What are the plans for FUDCon ? Anything been
thought
of yet..?
Mea culpa. I have been busy this December to come up with a date and venue. I'd request some suspense till the New Year while I try and work things out :)
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hi, Im just praying they dont declare exams during FUDCon.. :) regards, Ankur
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:14 AM, ankur sinha sanjay.ankur@gmail.com wrote:
@susmit :
what do you mean by ambassador trac?? are we going to have to submit our contributions for scrutiny from the community?? please clarify.. regards,
Having a Trac would allow folks to coordinate well between tasks and work done. Force multiplication is what it does.
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008, ankur sinha sent out 5.8K bytes to say:
as for Programming, it cannot be learnt in a day..and it really makes no sense to jump into bugfixing after learning a "hello world !" Im still at 3rd sem and am giving a lot of time to application development for linux.. I will be trying bug fixing etc in the near future.. I just dont want to go into it till im confident.. It will take time when youre teaching yourself..
The only way you will build confidence is if you try playing around with things you don't understand. That is the real way to learn. You might get flamed every now and then, but who cares.
In fact, here is my first (and only) patch to RPM. About three years ago when i didn't understand buildsystems at all (I still don't btw). I just submitted a patch which changed all <x.h> to <x/y.h>. I got "politely" rejected but felt like an idiot. I was in my first semester then
http://markmail.org/message/6ggoeqibsvnf6rxt#query:+page:1+mid:jnlulju742on4...
We learn and grow from our mistakes. Make a Mistake today TM
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Tejas Dinkar tejasdinkar@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008, ankur sinha sent out 5.8K bytes to say:
as for Programming, it cannot be learnt in a day..and it really makes no
sense
to jump into bugfixing after learning a "hello world !" Im still at 3rd
sem and
am giving a lot of time to application development for linux.. I will be
trying
bug fixing etc in the near future.. I just dont want to go into it till
im
confident.. It will take time when youre teaching yourself..
The only way you will build confidence is if you try playing around with things you don't understand. That is the real way to learn. You might get flamed every now and then, but who cares.
In fact, here is my first (and only) patch to RPM. About three years ago when i didn't understand buildsystems at all (I still don't btw). I just submitted a patch which changed all <x.h> to <x/y.h>. I got "politely" rejected but felt like an idiot. I was in my first semester then
http://markmail.org/message/6ggoeqibsvnf6rxt#query:+page:1+mid:jnlulju742on4...
We learn and grow from our mistakes. Make a Mistake today TM
Tejas Dinkar http://gja.in
hi, :) Ill keep that in mind.. i started packaging with this attitude... Im just trying to learn a little more before i "jump in" to the programming side.. :) thank you, regards, Ankur
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Without meetings, I don't know what the exact status of projects like review-o-matic. Has it been proposed as a Fedora 11 feature yet?
And, I'd agree with you over here. I am slightly disappointed with the RoM team. Primarily because there isn't any public roadmap in place. Especially so since I believe that it is a good time to propose it as a F11 feature and it has good folks working on it.
Since then I did have a chat with Rakesh and I believe Debarshi has subsequently blogged about stuff happening in RoM land. It sill needs to be a F11 feature though :)
Rakesh Pandit wrote:
Hello list, Was there any meeting today ? We were supposed to have one today at 6:30 pm ?
Yes, I have noticed this trend for a while. It isn't a good sign at all. Do we need to change the times/days ?
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