Fedora Jam Spin in the Release Notes

[Christopher Antila]

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Hi everybody:

I know the Fedora 18 Alpha release has been pushed back for two weeks in a row,
but even with that delay, I just realized the Release Notes are due very soon.

We have a "Musicians" beat under the "What's New in Fedora for Specific
Audiences"
category, but I'm not sure what to say. Why would musicians choose Fedora Jam over
regular Fedora? Or over, say, kxstudio?

Here's what I've got so far; please help me expand this:
- - - rtirq means better hardware performance
- - - JACK installed and enabled/integrated by default (what's the best word?)
- - - can run audio-optimized OS without installing it (theoretically)
- - - features the "latest and greatest" FOSS audio software
- - - SuperCollider and PureData are moved from PlanetCCRMA to Fedora proper
- - - visual design and artwork by the Fedora audio community (will this even be true?)

The more detail, and especially the more features, we have to write about, the
better. Whatever I put in the Release Notes will be copied almost verbatim into the
Musicians' Guide.


Christopher.
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[Brendan Jones]

On 09/03/2012 07:16 PM, Christopher Antila wrote:
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>  Hi everybody:
>
>  I know the Fedora 18 Alpha release has been pushed back for two weeks in a row,
>  but even with that delay, I just realized the Release Notes are due very soon.
>
>  We have a "Musicians" beat under the "What's New in Fedora for
> Specific Audiences"
>  category, but I'm not sure what to say. Why would musicians choose Fedora Jam over
>  regular Fedora? Or over, say, kxstudio? 
That's a really good question. At the moment without different themes 
all we have is a threadirq enabled Fedora with almost all of the audio 
packages. IT is almost impossible to have a working audio distro out of 
the box when so much configuration is required on the hardware side. If 
it was easy to do it would have been done already ;)

kxstudio packages things which are really not meant to be packaged and 
also have exclusive access to the TAL-* plugin source code and ships 
them as binaries (maybe I should just contact the author myself). 
kxstudio also packages and releases software against upstreams wishes 
which is something I won't do (examples are Ardour 3 and Ingen). I've 
been promised a release of Ingen by the end of Septmeber and already 
have all the dependencies in place, but we will see. I'm not going to 
nag upstream about that or we'll never see it.

The maintainer of AV Linux just threw the towel in (it was 32bit only 
anyway) so we may pick up some people exiting there.

>  Here's what I've got so far; please help me expand this:
>  - - - rtirq means better hardware performance 
Yes - but this is something that will
not work out of the box - hardware 
dependant (being a hardware softirq prioritizer), this is where we need 
some doc help. If you need some more info just ask and I'll try and 
supply something concise and submit upstream also. Install and read the 
docs is the best place to start. This link is awesome - we need 
something like this (the whole page really) on the Fedora wiki [1]

>  - - - JACK installed and enabled/integrated by default (what's
> the best word?) 
  - by default we have pulseaudio creating pulse/jack sinks/sources
by 
default. We also have Jorn's Fedora Jam control app which I will have 
reviewed by the end of the week. We need testing here so download the 
SRPM and build the app [2].
>  - - can run audio-optimized OS without installing it (theoretically)
>  - - - features the "latest and greatest" FOSS audio software
>  - - - SuperCollider and PureData are moved from PlanetCCRMA to Fedora proper 
Soon I
hope.
>  - - - visual design and artwork by the Fedora audio community (will
> this even be true?) 
I have tried again to enlist the help of the design team (see reply to 
your other post)
>  The more detail, and especially the more features, we have to write about, the
>  better. Whatever I put in the Release Notes will be copied almost verbatim into the
>  Musicians' Guide.
>
>  
Cool - thanks for the effort! We really need to start producing now. We 
are entering into a crucial phase for the audio spin. If we don't all 
pitch in now I fear our efforts over the last few months will be all 
laid to waste ...

[1] http://wiki.linuxmusicians.com/doku.php?id=system_configuration#rtirq
[2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=849026

[M. Edward (Ed) Borasky]

On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 11:07 PM, Brendan Jones
<brendan.jones.it(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  On 09/03/2012 07:16 PM, Christopher Antila wrote: 
> > We have a "Musicians" beat under the "What's
> New in Fedora for Specific
> > Audiences"
> > category, but I'm not sure what to say. Why would musicians choose Fedora
> > Jam over
> > regular Fedora? Or over, say, kxstudio?
>
>
>  That's a really good question. At the moment without different themes all we
>  have is a threadirq enabled Fedora with almost all of the audio packages. IT
>  is almost impossible to have a working audio distro out of the box when so
>  much configuration is required on the hardware side. If it was easy to do it
>  would have been done already ;)
>
>  kxstudio packages things which are really not meant to be packaged and also
>  have exclusive access to the TAL-* plugin source code and ships them as
>  binaries (maybe I should just contact the author myself). kxstudio also
>  packages and releases software against upstreams wishes which is something I
>  won't do (examples are Ardour 3 and Ingen). I've been promised a release of
>  Ingen by the end of Septmeber and already have all the dependencies in
>  place, but we will see. I'm not going to nag upstream about that or we'll
>  never see it.
>
>  The maintainer of AV Linux just threw the towel in (it was 32bit only
>  anyway) so we may pick up some people exiting there. 
I'm not convinced 64Studio is moving forward either, and the
openSUSE-based JAD (Jack Audio Distribution) died a few years ago.
It's down to "us" and Ubuntu Studio at this point, I suspect. I picked
Fedora over Ubuntu primarily because of the Stanford / Planet CCRMA
"native" Lisp tool chain - Common Music, Common Lisp Music, Common
Music Notation and SND. Everything else works pretty much the same on
any Linux and has the same intellectual property gotchas on any Linux.
> > - - - JACK installed and enabled/integrated by default
> (what's the best
> > word?) 
Are you trying to say, 'the "jackuser" group is there and
"liveuser"
is a member?'

Rosegarden also wants the "snd-seq-midi" kernel module loaded when it comes up.


> > - - can run audio-optimized OS without installing it
> (theoretically)
> > - - - features the "latest and greatest" FOSS audio software
> > - - - SuperCollider and PureData are moved from PlanetCCRMA to Fedora
> > proper
>
>  Soon I hope. 
And a free-as-in-freedom Qtractor moved from RPMFusion? ;-)


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[Jørn Loamx]

On 09/04/2012 08:08 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
>  On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 11:07 PM, Brendan Jones
>  <brendan.jones.it(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> > On 09/03/2012 07:16 PM, Christopher Antila wrote:
>
> >> We have a "Musicians" beat under the "What's New in Fedora for
> Specific
> >> Audiences"
> >> category, but I'm not sure what to say. Why would musicians choose Fedora
> >> Jam over
> >> regular Fedora? Or over, say, kxstudio?
> >
> >
> > That's a really good question. At the moment without different themes all we
> > have is a threadirq enabled Fedora with almost all of the audio packages. IT
> > is almost impossible to have a working audio distro out of the box when so
> > much configuration is required on the hardware side. If it was easy to do it
> > would have been done already ;)
> >
> > kxstudio packages things which are really not meant to be packaged and also
> > have exclusive access to the TAL-* plugin source code and ships them as
> > binaries (maybe I should just contact the author myself). kxstudio also
> > packages and releases software against upstreams wishes which is something I
> > won't do (examples are Ardour 3 and Ingen). I've been promised a release of
> > Ingen by the end of Septmeber and already have all the dependencies in
> > place, but we will see. I'm not going to nag upstream about that or we'll
> > never see it.
> >
> > The maintainer of AV Linux just threw the towel in (it was 32bit only
> > anyway) so we may pick up some people exiting there.
>
>  I'm not convinced 64Studio is moving forward either, and the
>  openSUSE-based JAD (Jack Audio Distribution) died a few years ago.
>  It's down to "us" and Ubuntu Studio at this point, I suspect. I picked
>  Fedora over Ubuntu primarily because of the Stanford / Planet CCRMA
>  "native" Lisp tool chain - Common Music, Common Lisp Music, Common
>  Music Notation and SND. Everything else works pretty much the same on
>  any Linux and has the same intellectual property gotchas on any Linux.
> >> - - - JACK installed and enabled/integrated by default (what's the best
> >> word?)
>
>  Are you trying to say, 'the "jackuser" group is there and
> "liveuser"
>  is a member?' 
If the spins is approved as is, both the liveuser and the user craeted 
on install will belong to both the jackuser and audio group. The 
liveuser is pretty much sure to be OK, but to make the created user 
belong to them uses a very ugly hack and might not be approved

>  Rosegarden also wants the "snd-seq-midi" kernel module
> loaded when it comes up.
>
>
> >> - - can run audio-optimized OS without installing it (theoretically)
> >> - - - features the "latest and greatest" FOSS audio software
> >> - - - SuperCollider and PureData are moved from PlanetCCRMA to Fedora
> >> proper
> >
> > Soon I hope.
>
>  And a free-as-in-freedom Qtractor moved from RPMFusion? ;-)
>
>  

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CS student University of Tromsø

[M. Edward (Ed) Borasky]

On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 1:44 PM, Jørn Lomax <northlomax(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  On 09/04/2012 08:08 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 11:07 PM, Brendan Jones
> > <brendan.jones.it(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >>
> >> On 09/03/2012 07:16 PM, Christopher Antila wrote:
> >
> >
> >>> We have a "Musicians" beat under the "What's New in Fedora
> for Specific
> >>> Audiences"
> >>> category, but I'm not sure what to say. Why would musicians choose
> >>> Fedora
> >>> Jam over
> >>> regular Fedora? Or over, say, kxstudio?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> That's a really good question. At the moment without different themes all
> >> we
> >> have is a threadirq enabled Fedora with almost all of the audio packages.
> >> IT
> >> is almost impossible to have a working audio distro out of the box when
> >> so
> >> much configuration is required on the hardware side. If it was easy to do
> >> it
> >> would have been done already ;)
> >>
> >> kxstudio packages things which are really not meant to be packaged and
> >> also
> >> have exclusive access to the TAL-* plugin source code and ships them as
> >> binaries (maybe I should just contact the author myself). kxstudio also
> >> packages and releases software against upstreams wishes which is
> >> something I
> >> won't do (examples are Ardour 3 and Ingen). I've been promised a release
> >> of
> >> Ingen by the end of Septmeber and already have all the dependencies in
> >> place, but we will see. I'm not going to nag upstream about that or
> we'll
> >> never see it.
> >>
> >> The maintainer of AV Linux just threw the towel in (it was 32bit only
> >> anyway) so we may pick up some people exiting there.
> >
> >
> > I'm not convinced 64Studio is moving forward either, and the
> > openSUSE-based JAD (Jack Audio Distribution) died a few years ago.
> > It's down to "us" and Ubuntu Studio at this point, I suspect. I picked
> > Fedora over Ubuntu primarily because of the Stanford / Planet CCRMA
> > "native" Lisp tool chain - Common Music, Common Lisp Music, Common
> > Music Notation and SND. Everything else works pretty much the same on
> > any Linux and has the same intellectual property gotchas on any Linux.
> >>>
> >>> - - - JACK installed and enabled/integrated by default (what's the best
> >>> word?)
> >
> >
> > Are you trying to say, 'the "jackuser" group is there and
> "liveuser"
> > is a member?'
>
>
>  If the spins is approved as is, both the liveuser and the user craeted on
>  install will belong to both the jackuser and audio group. The liveuser is
>  pretty much sure to be OK, but to make the created user belong to them uses
>  a very ugly hack and might not be approved 
That's no big deal; most of the time I end up having to add myself to
the vboxusers group anyhow. The biggest annoyance is having to log out
and back in again. ;-)

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