On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 07:04:53AM +0545, Drak wrote:
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 04:15:23PM -0400, David Nalley wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Paul W. Frields
<[1]stickster(a)gmail.com> wrote:
One very important consideration going forward is, how many
*self-service* resources exist for people to learn and grow skills on
the platform?
All, I'm the project lead of Zikula and I have been following
this thread with interest because for many months I have silently
worried about these topics and that the development and launch of
Insight has, from my point of view, taken much longer than it
really needs, especially because, in reality, Insight doesn't
even demand anything particularly demanding from a Zikula
platform perspective that might require more in-depth
customization. Of course, I am acutely aware of the problems we
all face in open-source, in that it's all effectively a hobby and
people have to earn the bread and butter so individual time is
limited. I can also understand all of your concerns about
'leaning on the Zikula people too much' etc, but this has given
me exactly the right opportunity to speak.
Thanks for writing this reply Drak -- it's very much appreciated and
people are happy to see your response here!
Firstly, I am passionate about Zikula and I am lucky that I am
able to
work full time on the Zikula project without distractions from a 'have to
do real job'. From my own perspective, Fedora's adoption of Zikula is a
very positive thing for our project - one that is worth nurturing and
caring for.
I'm really happy to hear you say this. Our weekly meeting was very
much oriented around how we need to grow a community of people in our
Infrastructure/Websites team that care about not only Zikula but also
expertise in PHP. Because there's a big field of applications out
there beyond Zikula that, if we can't take advantage of them, could
cause us strategic difficulties as a project.
Secondly, the Zikula project already has an active policy to care
for things directly related to and that benefit Zikula. Not only
do we care for the development of the Zikula core, but we indeed
develop and care for a number of modules too, actively as a
policy. After the next Zikula dot release, we will also move
much more actively into documentation and training to raise
awareness. I tell you all this because I want to so how active
the Zikula project is with related projects. The pagemaster
module that is being used for Insight is also being officially
developed by the Zikula Foundation. From my perspective, it
would make perfect sense for some of our people to join the
Fedora project on a more official basis with the objectives of,
a) bringing Insight to fruition, b) to be available
for maintenance, and c) training some of you in the ways of
Zikula over time. In doing this, you also do not have to feel
you are taking advantage of us because we would be real Fedora
volunteers passionate and interested in helping the Fedora
project. I believe this will help Fedora in the long term and
strategically for us, it is a good investment of our time and
resources. I hope I have not said anything wrong or offended
anyone - I am just trying to find a practical solution with
mutual benefit. Regards, Drak Project leader for Zikula.
So to move forward with this, here's what I'd like to answer with your
help:
* When should we set up our Insight meetings so that we can guarantee
attendance from you and other Zikula members starting in the next
week or two?
* In what ways can we attract not only Zikula but PHP expertise to
complement our current group of Python experts in the Infrastructure
and Websites teams?
We have ideas for milestones we'd like to set. You'll see them in our
meeting minutes:
* AGREED: We should take Drak up on his offer, set up our weekly
Insight meeting at a time where he can participate, and then work
toward a June 15th milestone. At that point, anyone should be able
to type in "fedoraproject.org/insight" into a web browser and see
the latest FWN issue and get to any archives we have available at
that point. (stickster, 18:39:35)
* AGREED: 30 days following we have a way to (1) promote a Planet
story to a separate Insight feed without having to copy/paste or
retype it, and (2) both this content stream and the FWN can be
visible/RSS at once (stickster, 18:51:14)
(from
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-mktg/2010-04-29/fedora_insight.20...)
This is really just a subset of the concepts for Insight seen here:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Insight#Content_workflow
I'm interested in hearing your thoughts about the meeting, my
questions above, and these goals. And thank you very much for your
involvement and support!
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