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Meeting summary
Insight (pcalarco, 21:04:46)
roll call (pcalarco, 21:05:29)
Notes from FUDCon Blacksburg are at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Insight_notes_from_FUDCon_Blacksburg_2012-01… (pcalarco, 21:11:01)
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Tatica/Insight (tatica, 21:13:34)
Summary notes from FUDCon Insight calendar discussion are at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Tatica/Insight (pcalarco, 21:14:43)
calendar mockups (pcalarco, 21:16:19)
http://publictest04.fedoraproject.org/artboard/post/view/110 (pcalarco, 21:18:18)
http://publictest04.fedoraproject.org/artboard/post/view/111 (pcalarco, 21:18:30)
http://publictest04.fedoraproject.org/artboard/post/view/112 (pcalarco, 21:18:40)
https://insight02.dev.fedoraproject.org/ (pcalarco, 21:35:22)
http://publictest04.fedoraproject.org/artboard/post/view/112 (tatica, 21:47:02)
data models (pcalarco, 21:57:37)
http://publictest04.fedoraproject.org/artboard/post/view/114 (tatica, 21:57:59)
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21:04:39 <pcalarco> #startmeeting
21:04:39 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Jan 31 21:04:39 2012 UTC. The chair is pcalarco. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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21:04:46 <pcalarco> #topic Insight
21:05:24 <tatica> hello :)
21:05:29 <pcalarco> #topic roll call
21:05:36 <pcalarco> #meetingname Insight
21:05:36 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'insight'
21:05:37 <asrob> hey tatica :)
21:05:39 * tatica here
21:05:48 <pcalarco> is here
21:05:56 <pcalarco> Hi tatica!
21:05:57 * asrob is here
21:07:04 <pcalarco> okay, welcome all. asrob, do you know if the gobby notes are on the wiki anywhere?
21:07:14 <pcalarco> from FUDCon, that is
21:07:22 <asrob> pcalarco, no, I do not
21:07:35 <tatica> I do
21:08:01 <pcalarco> tatica: awesome! We should link to them from the Insight page
21:08:03 <tatica> I think... https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Insight_notes_from_FUDCon_Blacksburg_2012-01…
21:08:16 <asrob> oh, cool, thanks tatica
21:08:31 <pcalarco> yay, thank you!
21:09:02 <tatica> however, I made a short list
21:09:05 <tatica> let me upload it somewhere
21:10:18 <pcalarco> we can link to it from https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Insight_use_cases_for_calendar
21:11:01 <pcalarco> #info Notes from FUDCon Blacksburg are at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Insight_notes_from_FUDCon_Blacksburg_2012-01…
21:13:34 <tatica> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Tatica/Insight
21:14:43 <pcalarco> #info Summary notes from FUDCon Insight calendar discussion are at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Tatica/Insight
21:14:57 <pcalarco> tatica: wonderful, thanks
21:15:07 <tatica> np
21:15:30 <asrob> awesome
21:15:31 <pcalarco> Perhaps I can turn it over to you to talk a bit about the mockups, tatica?
21:15:50 <asrob> I bookmarked it
21:15:57 <tatica> well, those mockups are only to show how layers might look
21:16:15 <tatica> since I was checking a previous design that mizmo did for insight and i would like to keep it
21:16:19 <pcalarco> #topic calendar mockups
21:16:35 <tatica> however, she told me that there is not actually a theme packaged, so I might work on that this-next week
21:16:52 <tatica> I have a couple of contributors from design that might be willing to help with this task
21:17:32 <tatica> this is mizmo mockup http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:FooBar.png
21:17:55 <asrob> tatica, ok, then I'll delete this theme, because this is adaptivetheme, http://drupal.org/project/adaptivetheme
21:18:14 <pcalarco> Great. I am going to link your mockups in the minutes too
21:18:18 <pcalarco> #link http://publictest04.fedoraproject.org/artboard/post/view/110
21:18:19 <asrob> our old theme is ninesixty, http://drupal.org/project/ninesixty
21:18:30 <pcalarco> #link http://publictest04.fedoraproject.org/artboard/post/view/111
21:18:40 <pcalarco> #link http://publictest04.fedoraproject.org/artboard/post/view/112
21:18:43 <tatica> yes, I think at some point I help a bit with the previous css
21:19:43 <tatica> so, if I remember we would like to set up a schedule
21:19:58 <tatica> however, I can only talk about design and theming, not about code
21:20:16 <asrob> tatica, ninesixty drupal theme is not packaged, do I package that?
21:20:31 <tatica> what would work better for you guys, a completely drupal based theme, or start with an html/css one?
21:21:06 <pcalarco> I think if we could start with a Drupal theme, that would help maintainability
21:21:14 <pcalarco> in the long run
21:21:30 <asrob> I think it would be good a completely new drupal 7 theme based on ninesixty/adaptivetheme/whatever
21:21:37 <asrob> yep
21:21:54 <pcalarco> +1
21:22:45 <tatica> ok
21:23:40 <asrob> tatica, if you need help I'll be able to help you, there are some changes in drupal 7 theming
21:23:46 <tatica> yeah
21:24:07 <pcalarco> asrob: based on tatica's mockups, which do you see as easier to work with in terms of themes? Ninesixty, adaptive, or something else?
21:25:18 <pcalarco> I think the mockups look pretty intuitive from what was discussed
21:25:29 <asrob> pcalarco, actually, adaptive is 960 width theme but that is a little bit more
21:25:57 <asrob> pcalarco, you know, HTML 5, responsive design and some cool things
21:26:04 <pcalarco> the nice thing about adaptive is that it is mobile-ready, which is one of our longer term goals
21:26:12 <pcalarco> yes, exactly
21:26:37 <asrob> yeah
21:27:01 <tatica> nice
21:27:15 <asrob> tatica, what do you think? I think you should choose one ;)
21:27:47 <tatica> yeah, I will take a look to those options and taking a look to the structure will pick one
21:30:11 <asrob> ok, I'll package ninesixty and adaptivetheme as well
21:30:27 <pcalarco> great, thanks asrob
21:30:34 <tatica> :D
21:32:08 <pcalarco> one of the next steps from Blacksburg was starting to document data models, content types and taxonomies; where to start on this, do you think?
21:32:41 <asrob> that's good question
21:33:27 <asrob> content types, I think we need plus one, its name is Event, for example
21:33:49 <asrob> so we have to filter by that with Views module
21:34:18 <pcalarco> yes
21:34:23 <asrob> as you can see it on insight02.dev server
21:35:08 <asrob> there is a "Filters based on location" requirement
21:35:22 <pcalarco> #link https://insight02.dev.fedoraproject.org/
21:35:41 <asrob> I think this is a custom field in content type settings
21:36:49 <pcalarco> I wonder with location if there are two attributes: Fedora Region and then country
21:37:16 <pcalarco> so like LATAM and Nicaragua
21:37:51 <asrob> hm
21:37:58 <asrob> how do we handle this?!
21:38:44 <pcalarco> I would think it would be fine to only have Fedora region, if it makes it easier from a data model standpoint
21:39:11 <asrob> okay
21:39:20 <pcalarco> there are few enough events in a single region that this should be fine
21:40:28 <tatica> we could add a pop-up on start that makes you choose your location, or go general
21:40:31 <tatica> just like airlines do
21:40:47 <pcalarco> so do we start documenting all of the fields that we'd expect for each content type? How do you usually approach this, asrob?
21:40:48 <tatica> and then if you need to change your geo-location, just go to your profile
21:40:56 <pcalarco> +1 tatica
21:41:27 <asrob> pcalarco, yes, we do
21:42:02 <pcalarco> okay, we can start some wiki subpages for this
21:42:24 <pcalarco> perhaps we can discuss here and then transfer to wiki after the meeting
21:42:32 <asrob> sure
21:42:51 <pcalarco> so what fields would we have for an Event?
21:43:01 <pcalarco> event name
21:43:07 <asrob> of course
21:43:10 <pcalarco> date
21:43:21 <pcalarco> time in UTC
21:43:40 <asrob> title, date, body, location?
21:43:48 <pcalarco> time could also be a range, for a conference
21:44:31 <pcalarco> yes, location and body/description
21:44:41 <pcalarco> owner
21:44:46 <tatica> maybe on a 2nd stage we could add a schedule for that event. But since there is a lot to do, perhaps a timeset could work
21:45:43 <pcalarco> the owner should point to a wiki User page
21:46:38 <asrob> pcalarco, you just enter/link owner's name or something else?
21:46:50 <pcalarco> should there be a separate field for URL of the event, or just include this in description?
21:47:02 <tatica> http://publictest04.fedoraproject.org/artboard/post/view/112
21:47:08 <pcalarco> yes, owner like /wiki/User:asrob
21:48:13 <asrob> okay, but when you fill a new event out then you enter owner's name or that would be good, if it would be an autocomplete field or something like this?
21:48:33 <pcalarco> some evnts are entered before they have an owner
21:48:45 <asrob> ahh, got it, thanks
21:49:18 <pcalarco> like a lot of the big Linux conferences; we just know that it is coming up, and then an Ambassador team forms around it to take ownership/responsibility
21:50:16 <pcalarco> any other fields for Event, or move on to Meetings?
21:50:37 * tatica trying to do a mockup while you guys talk
21:50:54 <asrob> pcalarco, team or interest field
21:50:59 <asrob> and that's all
21:51:02 <asrob> I guess
21:52:17 <pcalarco> yes,possibly; most events get owned by Ambassadors, but occasionally there are events that are owned by other teams, like Design for the SXSW expo that Fedora had a booth for
21:53:02 <tatica> well, can be own by anyone with a FAS account
21:53:03 <pcalarco> we could add that in and see what makes sense for all
21:53:06 <tatica> no need to be ambassador
21:53:14 <pcalarco> tatica: correct, yes
21:53:27 <pcalarco> so maybe just FAS name?
21:53:28 <tatica> but an owner -should- at least have a FAS account
21:53:52 <tatica> even if he's not the one who organize it, he'll be in charge of fedora image in there
21:53:57 <pcalarco> whethere they have a wiki user page is nice, but perhaps not required?
21:54:00 <pcalarco> I am not sure
21:54:02 <tatica> so, a small requirement should be done
21:54:13 <tatica> pcalarco, that could also work
21:54:19 <tatica> commitment, we need that
21:54:34 <pcalarco> we can ask stickster on the list for confirmation
21:54:58 <pcalarco> so, okay that is Events, how about Meetings next?
21:55:07 <asrob> meetings?
21:55:41 <asrob> we can handle this with Event together
21:55:57 <asrob> or is it completely different?
21:57:25 <pcalarco> sorry folks, I got disconnected from freenode
21:57:37 <pcalarco> #topic data models
21:57:59 <tatica> http://publictest04.fedoraproject.org/artboard/post/view/114
21:58:44 <pcalarco> ah, twitter feeds yes good idea
21:58:56 <asrob> awesome
21:59:02 <asrob> I like these ideas :)
21:59:16 <tatica> maybe add some photos and blog post rss too, but that might be more complicated
21:59:19 <tatica> twitter seems easier
21:59:34 <pcalarco> +1
21:59:37 <asrob> +1
22:00:40 <pcalarco> looks great, tatica
22:01:01 <tatica> pls don't see it as -design-, more as layout
22:01:27 <pcalarco> okay, we are officially at time
22:02:06 <pcalarco> that is a very good start, maybe next week we can review these and analyze meetings next
22:02:31 <pcalarco> and then start building content types
22:02:41 <tatica> yeap
22:02:59 <asrob> yeah
22:03:00 <pcalarco> excellent discussion, thank you tatica and asrob!
22:03:12 <asrob> thank you tatica and pcalarco
22:03:21 <tatica> np, thx you guys
22:03:28 <tatica> make it easy to contribute :)
22:03:28 <pcalarco> and thank you for your layout/design wizardry, tatica!
22:03:36 <tatica> whatever!
22:03:59 <pcalarco> it is easier to talk about when you see a visual strawman I think
22:04:05 <tatica> ok, so who will send logs?
22:04:12 <pcalarco> I will
22:04:17 <pcalarco> #endmeeting
I can't make it to today's meeting at 4pm ET, but would encourage the
team not to block on me for the meeting. There's lots to discuss
including Maria's designs, assigning action items for spreading and
validating the design, and figuring out a timeline for deciding what
we need to add (content types, fields, taxonomies, etc.) and
milestones for each.
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Hi!
Well, yesterday, our meeting was cancelled/postponed or something like
that. That's why I want to ask what is the next step? I realized there
is a little problem with mediawiki_api module that's why I would work
on that.
María, Jared, Paul, Pascal, if you have an idea, task what I have to
do ASAP, feel free to tell me.
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Peter Borsa
http://asrob.net
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Ok guys, I've started this page[1]. I am sure that I don't know all
useful tools running on our infra, neither all Free instance running
on the Web. Please, fill it.
I think tools like pkgdb[2] should also be included, but I don't know
this project too much.
The fact is that we have many tools running that lots of contributors
are not aware of. I hope this page could aggregate things.
[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Collaborative_tools
[2] https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/
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The team members at FUDCon Blacksburg (which is, well, most of the
team!) agreed to cancel this coming Tuesday's meeting. We'll meet on
January 24th as usual. This week we'll publish notes from our session
at FUDCon and plan for our upcoming work on Insight.
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Hello Team,
I am Buddhika Kurera[1] more info can be found at my userpage.
By reading FAmSCo meeting logs I understood that fedora-insight needs
support, so decided to join with the team and support as much as possible.
Being frank I am new to fedora-insight. I m a member of FAm, FWN and mkt
teams
(and also a member of design team yet not an official member but I am sure
I am doing well there as well)
therefore when reading the insight project page[2] feel like I can do
something.
I ll be leaning about the team work and tasks and will join with assigned
task soon.
My interests laid on web development with PHP, graphic design, CSS design.
Further I was contributing to DocBook project[3] as well.
Therefore I am familiar with DocBook as well.
Therefore seems like I can do something with the project.
Please help me to find a task as I have noted above as my preferences.
Thanks for the support.
[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Bckurera
[2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight
[3] http://www.docbook.org
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Regards,
*Buddhike Chandradeepa Kurera(bckurera)*
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Event Liaison - Design Team
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Hi guys,
This is a compressed work week for me with FUDCon travel coming up.
So I won't be able to make it to today's Insight meeting at 4pm ET.
However, I will see Pascal and Peter at FUDCon, along with anyone else
who chooses to take part in our hackfest or a related talk. If
someone else wants to take over today's meeting I will definitely
check in to see the logs for info afterward.
See you in a couple days!
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Hi!
As I said it on Insight meeting, I would create some feature sets by
this weekend but there is an update for Feature module. So I updated
that module some minutes ago and I will create those sets few days
later or at FUDCon Blacksburg.
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Peter Borsa
http://asrob.net
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Hi folks -
The Fedora Insight team has been working on some of the use cases for a project-wide calendar[1]. These ideas stemmed out of some IRC discussion when we found out about the Fedora Calendar needs that Clint Savage and Adam Williamson articulated[2] some time ago.
So, what we would like to accomplish during FUDCon Blacksburg later this month is to meet with you folks -- some representative stakeholders who will be attending FUDCon - and see if we have all of the requirements for the use cases captured adequately. We would like to invite you, as a group, to the Hackfest at 0900 on Sunday, January 15 during FUDCon Blacksburg[3].
We are going to tackle the near-term use cases first:
1) Fedora Team Meetings: For any given Fedora Project team, any CLA-signed member of the Project will be able to check availability and schedule IRC meeting rooms on irc.freenode.net.
User will be able to filter on team, as well as other Fedora event and other happenings, such as release schedule.
2) Fedora Release Schedule: For Fedora releases beginning with x, Insight will provide ability to enter key dates for upcoming release cycle milestones. User will be able to filter on team, as well as other Fedora event and other happenings, such as team meetings.
3) Fedora Events: For Fedora Events[4], any CLA-signed member of the Project will be able to enter upcoming Fedora Event details into the Calendar. User will be able to filter on Region for events, as well as other happenings, such as release schedule and team meetings.
Could you please let us know if you will be able to join us for perhaps a one hour discussion of the above use cases?
Thanks!
Yours in Fedora (Insight),
Peter Borsa
Pascal Calarco
Paul Frields
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[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Insight_use_cases_for_calendar
[2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Herlo/Fedora_Calendar_Project_Desired_F…
[3] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Blacksburg_2012#Sunday.2C_January_15