Insight and Fedora Weekly News

[Ruth Suehle]

A group of interested people gathered today to discuss breathing some 
new life into Fedora Weekly News (minutes below). What we concluded was 
that we'd actually like to breathe some life into Insight and for FWN to 
become an arm of that. To expound, here's the proposal:

- suehle, jbrooks, and iambryan have volunteered as editors

- We'd like to expand Insight to be more blog, web-magazine-style with:
     - Short, informative content like you might think of FWN for
     - Longer form stories, interviews, and articles
     - The technical content that Fedora used to create to some extent 
for Red Hat Magazine (which is in high demand but no longer exists)
     - Cultivated content from Planet
     - The content that Insight was already meant for, like Board 
meeting minutes or announcements

- Fedora Weekly News would then become the weekly email newsletter of 
highlights from what had been published on Insight that week.

- We'd like to see at least two writers/cultivators-of-content per beat


What we're looking for now is for someone to shout, "good idea!", "bad

idea!", or "I was already halfway through with something like that!" 
before we continue down the path. "I'd like to help with a beat!" is 
also a good answer. :-)

Thanks!
Ruth


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Minutes: 
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-fwn/2012-11-30/fedora_weekly_news...

Minutes (text): 
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-fwn/2012-11-30/fedora_weekly_news...

Log: 
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-fwn/2012-11-30/fedora_weekly_news...

[Matthew Miller]

On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 04:02:44PM -0500, Ruth Suehle wrote:
>  What we're looking for now is for someone to shout, "good
> idea!",
>  "bad idea!", or "I was already halfway through with something like
>  that!" before we continue down the path. "I'd like to help with a
>  beat!" is also a good answer. :-) 
"Good idea!" from me.

I'd also be interested in helping with a cloud beat.

-- 
Matthew Miller  ☁☁☁  Fedora Cloud Architect  ☁☁☁  <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;

[Máirín Duffy]

On Fri, 2012-11-30 at 16:02 -0500, Ruth Suehle wrote:
>  What we're looking for now is for someone to shout, "good
> idea!", "bad 
>  idea!", or "I was already halfway through with something like that!" 
>  before we continue down the path. "I'd like to help with a beat!" is 
>  also a good answer. :-) 
Good idea!

Maybe try using WP instead of Drupal though :) IIRC I think issues with
Drupal are what bogged down the last attempt?

~m

[Eric Christensen]

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On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 04:28:59PM -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote:
>  On Fri, 2012-11-30 at 16:02 -0500, Ruth Suehle wrote:
>  > What we're looking for now is for someone to shout, "good idea!",
> "bad 
>  > idea!", or "I was already halfway through with something like that!"
>
>  > before we continue down the path. "I'd like to help with a beat!" is 
>  > also a good answer. :-)
>  
>  Good idea!
>  
>  Maybe try using WP instead of Drupal though :) IIRC I think issues with
>  Drupal are what bogged down the last attempt? 
+1

- -- Eric

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[Stephen John Smoogen]

On 30 November 2012 14:28, Máirín Duffy <duffy(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  On Fri, 2012-11-30 at 16:02 -0500, Ruth Suehle wrote:
> > What we're looking for now is for someone to shout, "good idea!",
> "bad
> > idea!", or "I was already halfway through with something like that!"
> > before we continue down the path. "I'd like to help with a beat!" is
> > also a good answer. :-)
>
>  Good idea!
>
>  Maybe try using WP instead of Drupal though :) IIRC I think issues with
>  Drupal are what bogged down the last attempt? 
That is kind of news to me. I thought it was the other way (they had
done a WP type and thrown it out and then went to Drupal). What seemed
to kill it to me was Real Life (TM) coming up and slapping a lot of
contributors around at the same time.

I don't mean this that we should keep with Drupal.. both WP and Drupal
are a pain to keep up with due to a large number of addons and
security updates needed to keep them acting the way people want to use
them. This is the case with all the CMS's because as addons are added
the security and other interactions get easier to find exploits.

Looking at later emails in the list.. I would chip in for the hosted
version if they will do the updates to plugins also and we can live
with their menu of available plugins (eg if it is not on the list.. we
aren't getting it.)


-- 
Stephen J Smoogen.
"Don't derail a useful feature for the 99% because you're not in it."
Linus Torvalds
"Years ago my mother used to say to me,... Elwood, you must be oh
so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I
recommend pleasant. You may quote me."  —James Stewart as Elwood P. Dowd

[Rashadul Islam]

On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Ruth Suehle <rsuehle(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:

>  A group of interested people gathered today to discuss breathing some
> new
>  life into Fedora Weekly News (minutes below). What we concluded was that
>  we'd actually like to breathe some life into Insight and for FWN to become
>  an arm of that. To expound, here's the proposal:
>
>  - suehle, jbrooks, and iambryan have volunteered as editors
>
>  - We'd like to expand Insight to be more blog, web-magazine-style with:
>      - Short, informative content like you might think of FWN for
>      - Longer form stories, interviews, and articles
>      - The technical content that Fedora used to create to some extent for
>  Red Hat Magazine (which is in high demand but no longer exists)
>      - Cultivated content from Planet
>      - The content that Insight was already meant for, like Board meeting
>  minutes or announcements
>
>  - Fedora Weekly News would then become the weekly email newsletter of
>  highlights from what had been published on Insight that week.
>
>  - We'd like to see at least two writers/cultivators-of-content per beat
>
>
>  What we're looking for now is for someone to shout, "good idea!",
> "bad
>  idea!", or "I was already halfway through with something like that!"
> before
>  we continue down the path. "I'd like to help with a beat!" is also a good
>  answer. :-)
>
>  Thanks!
>  Ruth
>  

   +1.





   FWN is one of the core stream to send the news to the Fedora Community,
   technical magazines, and other respected communities of the world.



   Since, I have been contributing at FWN, I have noticed the following
   which might help in future:


    1. Very keen interest to update the beat.
      2. Very few response.
      3. Sometimes, hard to select the news from the mailing stream.



   The editing of the news is not the very challenging task but updating
   the beat. Last time, the FWN was offered to automated the beat with a
   script, but to manual procedure was chosen to make the contributors very
   highly interest into the FWN. All these steps are now failed and it is
   notwithstanding useless to release the FWN with only not more than three or
   four contributors and with the two or three beats.



   The FWN release hence been not published regularly since last couple
   months.



   There is no offensive about all these, because FWN is part of marketing,
   logistics, and the board. Very few contributors are interested to step
   inside the vast news stream inside fedora and to me very few are actually
   aware about it except those who really into it.



   Every idea has certain consequences unless you ever try. Here is my
   recommendation rather ideas:


    1. To make the beat automated and let the editors collect their news.
      (It will be a giant beat in this case)
      2. The readers love the following:
         1. Make things faster, lighter, much effective, pictorial, one
         word or one sentence understanding with the whole news, more
information
         but less words, and only those information that they want to
use or read.
         (here we must analyze who we send the news, and what they
actually want)
         2. The FWN has to be send into the following format:
            1. Make Tile
            2. Contributors Name(Fedora Format)
            3. Date and time of the news
            4. Abstract (It is hard for those who have no idea about making
            genius news)
            5. The original link of the news and sources
          1. Make things non-technical for readers- there are lot who
         ignores reading technical news. We have our original link for
those who
         loves technical details.
       1. Make three types of news within one email:
         1. One page gorgeous and colorful information Headlines(Link
         connected to the beat) and their abstract.
         2. The regular beat for highly technical people until 3-a is on
         the people's plate.
         3. Make things readable from iPad, cell phone, and related.
       1.  To appreciate the contributors, make some gorgeous title for
      those beat writers, editors, and contributors inside FWN alike "FWN
      Monkey", "Junior FWN", "Fedora Junior", "FWN
Journo", "Fedora
Journalist",
      or whatever the community loves.
      2. The organogram of FWN-
         1. The logistics board or the editors(who only review the content)
         before the news leads into public.
         2. The editors(who is responsible to publish the news) to make the
         news non-technical with all the information.
         3. The beat writers (I always believe is manual for those who
         really wants to works, but love automated when things go wrong.)
         4. Contributing writer for thread and original link.



   No wonder, the FWN must be ready to adopt the technical stream of news.