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In responce to Karsten Wade,
I think Karsten has made some very good points. Why don't we go ahead and make a
'remix' and we can start collaborating and getting it up to a distributable .iso.
We want this to be something that we would install as opposed to installing the basic
Fedora distro and then patching the kernel. If we don't wanna use it, then chances
are that others will feel the same way. I also agree with a wiki article for Fedora
musicians/podcasters. We do need the support of ambassadors and people who represent
Fedora at conferences. Unless there is some fundamental disagreements, maybe we should go
forward with a CCRMA kernel remix. Feedback please.
-Bill (Fedora villager)
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: [PlanetCCRMA] Music Spin (Karsten Wade)
2. Re: [PlanetCCRMA] Music Spin (Karsten Wade)
3. Re: [PlanetCCRMA] Music Spin (Bernardo Barros)
4. Re: [PlanetCCRMA] Music Spin (Bernardo Barros)
5. Renamed sping page to be wiki-friendly (was music spin
development. I am ready to test/help with the audio spin.)
(Karsten Wade)
6. Re: [PlanetCCRMA] Music Spin (Christopher R. Antila)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 14:20:49 -0700
From: Karsten Wade <kwade(a)redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Fedora-music-list] [PlanetCCRMA] Music Spin
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On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 03:01:20PM -0400, Christopher Antila wrote:
>
> Maybe I'm way off-base here, and certainly I'm still very new to Fedora
> and the Audio Creation SIG, but a dedicated spin seems like something
> that you can't just sort of do. We'd have to be at the level of these:
>
http://spins.fedoraproject.org/
I will point out that a Fedora Remix is a great way to get an alpha of
what would become a formal spin:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Remix
"Fedora Remix" is something you can call a product regardless of
what's in it, essentially. There is a remix of Fedora called 'Omega
Linux' that is essentially Fedora+patent encumbered bits.
So, one or a few people could put together e.g. "Planet CCRMA Live, a
Fedora Remix" by this weekend that does exactly what you say right now
- JACK as default, realtime kernel, patent encumbered bits easy to
access (such as a how to in the installation guide for it that says
what
rpmfusion.org packages to install.) Heck, you could use the
Fedora Installation Guide (or the quickstart version), rebrand it, and
add in all the parts that you need for this remix.
Aside from having a cool remix of Fedora, what would you have?
* A proof point. People could see right now what you are talking
about, and start talking about how things can be done in Fedora to
get equivalent functionality. For example, people may need
convincing that you have the chops as a SIG to maintain an alternate
kernel; prove it by supporting a remix for a few releases.
* A short-term solution to get the best FOSS audio software out in
people's hands.
* Training grounds. There is some heavy lifting to be done for a
spin, as you point out, and a remix is a legitimate way for people
to learn the same sets of skills needed for a formal spin. In
particular I suspect getting more packagers trained and committed
will benefit from real people holding a real CD and thinking, "Wow,
how can I help make this better?"
* Something we can give out to start growing the interest. I'll
commit to burning a spool of a Fedora audio remix to carry around
and hand out. Maybe someone will design a cool CD sleeve I can print
and glue. All of this interest requires an actual ISO to burn, and
I know I'm not doing it myself.
* Makes a nice addition to an original "Fedora Musician's Guide" (or a
rebranded version of that to include all the how-to-get-MP3-support
bits.) ;-)
- Karsten
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 14:35:58 -0700
From: Karsten Wade <kwade(a)redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Fedora-music-list] [PlanetCCRMA] Music Spin
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On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 10:19:32AM -0700, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote:
>
> Same here as in the Fedora side, not enough manpower (and not enough
> demand, it is easy to install Fedora and then add a repo for any
> additional packages).
I tend to agree, just wanted to reiterate my offer from another place
in this thread. If there were enough interest to do 'Planet CCRMA
Audio Workstation, a Fedora Remix'[1], I and people like me would burn
and carry around copies. Especially if it were able to run as a live
Linux from a CD, DVD, or USB thumb drive, I would give copies to all
my musician and audio friends to boot to and try out.
It's the difference between, "Already-committed so I am going to install
and enable a repo," and "I don't know that Linux can work for me as a
musician/producer/podcaster/etc." I talk with far more of the latter
at FOSS events, etc.
I can't guarantee numbers, but I'm sure if you had an audio remix
available that people knew about, the Fedora Ambassadors around the
globe would start handing them out for the same reasons I said above.
- Karsten
[1] Don't turn to me for naming, clearly. :)
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 19:11:11 -0300
From: Bernardo Barros <bernardobarros2(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Fedora-music-list] [PlanetCCRMA] Music Spin
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Why not make the Fedora Musician's Guide a wiki like project that
people with some free time could contribute with they know best? There
is already the FLOSS manual for Ardour and PureData that has already
done some work in this direction. And it is nice because you can make
a snapshot of the wiki and print a PDF from the website.
2010/7/30 Karsten Wade <kwade(a)redhat.com>:
> On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 10:19:32AM -0700, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote:
>>
>> Same here as in the Fedora side, not enough manpower (and not enough
>> demand, it is easy to install Fedora and then add a repo for any
>> additional packages).
>
> I tend to agree, just wanted to reiterate my offer from another place
> in this thread. ?If there were enough interest to do 'Planet CCRMA
> Audio Workstation, a Fedora Remix'[1], I and people like me would burn
> and carry around copies. ?Especially if it were able to run as a live
> Linux from a CD, DVD, or USB thumb drive, I would give copies to all
> my musician and audio friends to boot to and try out.
>
> It's the difference between, "Already-committed so I am going to install
> and enable a repo," and "I don't know that Linux can work for me as a
> musician/producer/podcaster/etc." ?I talk with far more of the latter
> at FOSS events, etc.
>
> I can't guarantee numbers, but I'm sure if you had an audio remix
> available that people knew about, the Fedora Ambassadors around the
> globe would start handing them out for the same reasons I said above.
>
> - Karsten
>
> [1] Don't turn to me for naming, clearly. :)
> --
> name: ?Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Sr. Community Gardener
> team: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Red Hat Community Architecture
> uri: ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 19:11:11 -0300
From: Bernardo Barros <bernardobarros2(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Fedora-music-list] [PlanetCCRMA] Music Spin
To: music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org, fedora-music-list
<fedora-music-list(a)redhat.com>
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Why not make the Fedora Musician's Guide a wiki like project that
people with some free time could contribute with they know best? There
is already the FLOSS manual for Ardour and PureData that has already
done some work in this direction. And it is nice because you can make
a snapshot of the wiki and print a PDF from the website.
2010/7/30 Karsten Wade <kwade(a)redhat.com>:
> On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 10:19:32AM -0700, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote:
>>
>> Same here as in the Fedora side, not enough manpower (and not enough
>> demand, it is easy to install Fedora and then add a repo for any
>> additional packages).
>
> I tend to agree, just wanted to reiterate my offer from another place
> in this thread. ?If there were enough interest to do 'Planet CCRMA
> Audio Workstation, a Fedora Remix'[1], I and people like me would burn
> and carry around copies. ?Especially if it were able to run as a live
> Linux from a CD, DVD, or USB thumb drive, I would give copies to all
> my musician and audio friends to boot to and try out.
>
> It's the difference between, "Already-committed so I am going to install
> and enable a repo," and "I don't know that Linux can work for me as a
> musician/producer/podcaster/etc." ?I talk with far more of the latter
> at FOSS events, etc.
>
> I can't guarantee numbers, but I'm sure if you had an audio remix
> available that people knew about, the Fedora Ambassadors around the
> globe would start handing them out for the same reasons I said above.
>
> - Karsten
>
> [1] Don't turn to me for naming, clearly. :)
> --
> name: ?Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Sr. Community Gardener
> team: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Red Hat Community Architecture
> uri: ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
http://TheOpenSourceWay.org/wiki
> gpg: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? AD0E0C41
>
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:10:47 -0700
From: Karsten Wade <kwade(a)redhat.com>
Subject: [Fedora-music-list] Renamed sping page to be wiki-friendly
(was music spin development. I am ready to test/help with the audio
spin.)
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On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 05:54:45PM +1000, David Timms wrote:
>
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AudioCreationSpinDevelopment
I just renamed that page, which sets up an automatic redirect.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Audio_creation_spin_development
(Sorry for the after notice, but it shouldn't affect your usage, and
this is just part of the wiki gardening service.)
The reasoning for descriptive names with spaces is explained here:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/NAMING
The most relevant reason here is that a search for "audio" via the
MediaWiki search would not have turned up the page under the title
search.
- Karsten
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 20:40:44 -0400
From: "Christopher R. Antila" <crantila(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Fedora-music-list] [PlanetCCRMA] Music Spin
To: Bernardo Barros <bernardobarros2(a)gmail.com>
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Hi:
The Fedora Musicians' Guide is an official document being prepared by the
Documentation Project. This carries much more weight than a wiki.
That said, increased participation would be great, and the Musicians' Guide
is already on the Fedora wiki in my User: pages. These could easily be
transferred into the real wiki, and maintained in sync or independently of
the official documentation, but I don't know if that sort of duplication is
a good idea. What we certainly could do is write complementary chapters
with programs that aren't (yet) in the official guide. Besides, as an
open-source project, the official guide itself is already like a wiki in
that people with free time can contribute with what they know best.
As for the current state of the Guide, the (terrible) first draft has been
finished for a week, and is available on the wiki. It's now been converted
to DocBook (the format used by the Fedora Docs website), and is stored in a
git repository on a
fedorahosted.org account. The plan is to post a draft
to the Fedora Docs website this Tuesday, incorporating many improvements.
I'll post a notice to this list when the draft is ready - the more people
who can read it and find errors, the better!
The wiki version of the Musicians' Guide, from this point, is not the most
recent version. Notices will be posted soon to indicate this.
Christopher.
On 30 July 2010 18:11, Bernardo Barros <bernardobarros2(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Why not make the Fedora Musician's Guide a wiki like project that
> people with some free time could contribute with they know best? There
> is already the FLOSS manual for Ardour and PureData that has already
> done some work in this direction. And it is nice because you can make
> a snapshot of the wiki and print a PDF from the website.
>
> 2010/7/30 Karsten Wade <kwade(a)redhat.com>:
> > On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 10:19:32AM -0700, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote:
> >>
> >> Same here as in the Fedora side, not enough manpower (and not enough
> >> demand, it is easy to install Fedora and then add a repo for any
> >> additional packages).
> >
> > I tend to agree, just wanted to reiterate my offer from another place
> > in this thread. If there were enough interest to do 'Planet CCRMA
> > Audio Workstation, a Fedora Remix'[1], I and people like me would burn
> > and carry around copies. Especially if it were able to run as a live
> > Linux from a CD, DVD, or USB thumb drive, I would give copies to all
> > my musician and audio friends to boot to and try out.
> >
> > It's the difference between, "Already-committed so I am going to
install
> > and enable a repo," and "I don't know that Linux can work for me
as a
> > musician/producer/podcaster/etc." I talk with far more of the latter
> > at FOSS events, etc.
> >
> > I can't guarantee numbers, but I'm sure if you had an audio remix
> > available that people knew about, the Fedora Ambassadors around the
> > globe would start handing them out for the same reasons I said above.
> >
> > - Karsten
> >
> > [1] Don't turn to me for naming, clearly. :)
> > --
> > name: Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Sr. Community Gardener
> > team: Red Hat Community Architecture
> > uri:
http://TheOpenSourceWay.org/wiki
> > gpg: AD0E0C41
> >
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