Design Suite Change of Goals Proposal

[Martin Sourada]

Hi,

the current goals of design suite quite worked for the start, i.e.
define what kind of apps/content in general we want in. Now, I think
it's time to move on and define some long term goals in terms of *use
cases* and *work-flows*.

Some ideas that come to mind: 
      * Joe has been on a holidays trip with family and recorded a lot
        of content with his DV video camera. He want's to import the
        shots into the computer, do some cutting, add background
        music, ... and make a video he can show his friends. 
      * Minori was on a school trip to Kyōto and shot a lot of photos
        with her camera. She wants to edit them a little (fix
        perspective, red eyes, colours, ...), organize and archive them,
        and publish some of them on web in a blog post (and/or face
        book?). 
      * Ed is giving a presentation on a conference and he wants to
        prepare some slides to show. 
      * Alice wants to design a font for her comic strips. 
      * Květa wants to draw a comic strip. 
      * Pablo is going to design an icon for his favourite application. 
      * Yujin wants to help with Fedora artwork so she downloaded some
        wallpaper WIP and decided to improve it.

More ideas welcome. IMHO we should choose a few concrete use-cases (like
those listed above), for each propose at least one "ideal" work-flow and
then find and include the needed apps in the design spin. And for each
work-flow make some sort of tutorial -- e.g. step-by-step "comic",
screen-cast, ... -- which we would include in the design suite.

Any suggestions, critics, ...? How does this sound.

Cheers,
Martin

[Sebastian Dziallas]

On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Martin Sourada <martin.sourada(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  Hi,
>
>  the current goals of design suite quite worked for the start, i.e.
>  define what kind of apps/content in general we want in. Now, I think
>  it's time to move on and define some long term goals in terms of *use
>  cases* and *work-flows*.
>
>  Some ideas that come to mind:
>       * Joe has been on a holidays trip with family and recorded a lot
>         of content with his DV video camera. He want's to import the
>         shots into the computer, do some cutting, add background
>         music, ... and make a video he can show his friends.
>       * Minori was on a school trip to Kyōto and shot a lot of photos
>         with her camera. She wants to edit them a little (fix
>         perspective, red eyes, colours, ...), organize and archive them,
>         and publish some of them on web in a blog post (and/or face
>         book?).
>       * Ed is giving a presentation on a conference and he wants to
>         prepare some slides to show.
>       * Alice wants to design a font for her comic strips.
>       * Květa wants to draw a comic strip.
>       * Pablo is going to design an icon for his favourite application.
>       * Yujin wants to help with Fedora artwork so she downloaded some
>         wallpaper WIP and decided to improve it.
>
>  More ideas welcome. IMHO we should choose a few concrete use-cases (like
>  those listed above), for each propose at least one "ideal" work-flow and
>  then find and include the needed apps in the design spin. And for each
>  work-flow make some sort of tutorial -- e.g. step-by-step "comic",
>  screen-cast, ... -- which we would include in the design suite.
>
>  Any suggestions, critics, ...? How does this sound. 
I personally believe this would be an awesome thing to do! :) Instead
of throwing randomly throwing applications at the user, we'd be able
to provide them with a way how to use the applications that actually
*fit* these use cases.

I would really like to see something like that evolve, but I'm
obviously not the only one anymore who has a say about that (and I'm
quite happy about that; thank you Chris and Pierros once again!).

Cheers!
--Sebastian

P.S.: Would it make sense to put these use cases in the wiki or maybe
organize a sprint in IRC around that?

>  Cheers,
>  Martin

[Chris Jones]

On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Sebastian Dziallas <sebastian(a)when.com&gt; wrote:
>  On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Martin Sourada <martin.sourada(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  > Hi,
>  >
>  > the current goals of design suite quite worked for the start, i.e.
>  > define what kind of apps/content in general we want in. Now, I think
>  > it's time to move on and define some long term goals in terms of *use
>  > cases* and *work-flows*.
>  >
>  > Some ideas that come to mind:
>  >      * Joe has been on a holidays trip with family and recorded a lot
>  >        of content with his DV video camera. He want's to import the
>  >        shots into the computer, do some cutting, add background
>  >        music, ... and make a video he can show his friends.
>  >      * Minori was on a school trip to Kyōto and shot a lot of photos
>  >        with her camera. She wants to edit them a little (fix
>  >        perspective, red eyes, colours, ...), organize and archive them,
>  >        and publish some of them on web in a blog post (and/or face
>  >        book?).
>  >      * Ed is giving a presentation on a conference and he wants to
>  >        prepare some slides to show.
>  >      * Alice wants to design a font for her comic strips.
>  >      * Květa wants to draw a comic strip.
>  >      * Pablo is going to design an icon for his favourite application.
>  >      * Yujin wants to help with Fedora artwork so she downloaded some
>  >        wallpaper WIP and decided to improve it.
>  >
>  > More ideas welcome. IMHO we should choose a few concrete use-cases (like
>  > those listed above), for each propose at least one "ideal" work-flow and
>  > then find and include the needed apps in the design spin. And for each
>  > work-flow make some sort of tutorial -- e.g. step-by-step "comic",
>  > screen-cast, ... -- which we would include in the design suite.
>  >
>  > Any suggestions, critics, ...? How does this sound.
>
>  I personally believe this would be an awesome thing to do! :) Instead
>  of throwing randomly throwing applications at the user, we'd be able
>  to provide them with a way how to use the applications that actually
>  *fit* these use cases.
>
>  I would really like to see something like that evolve, but I'm
>  obviously not the only one anymore who has a say about that (and I'm
>  quite happy about that; thank you Chris and Pierros once again!).
>
>  Cheers!
>  --Sebastian
>
>  P.S.: Would it make sense to put these use cases in the wiki or maybe
>  organize a sprint in IRC around that?
>
>  > Cheers,
>  > Martin 
I'll give this some thought over the weekend. I'll keep you posted wit my ideas.
Regards

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[Martin Sourada]

On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 14:32 +0200, Sebastian Dziallas wrote: 
>  I personally believe this would be an awesome thing to do! :)
> Instead
>  of throwing randomly throwing applications at the user, we'd be able
>  to provide them with a way how to use the applications that actually
>  *fit* these use cases.
>   
Glad you like it :)

>  I would really like to see something like that evolve, but I'm
>  obviously not the only one anymore who has a say about that (and I'm
>  quite happy about that; thank you Chris and Pierros once again!).
>  
>  Cheers!
>  --Sebastian
>  
>  P.S.: Would it make sense to put these use cases in the wiki or maybe
>  organize a sprint in IRC around that?
>   
I've put up an (almost skeleton) wiki page for this purpose:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design_Suite_Planning/Long_Term_Goals

Martin

[Pierros Papadeas]

On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Martin Sourada <martin.sourada(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 14:32 +0200, Sebastian Dziallas wrote:
> > I personally believe this would be an awesome thing to do! :) Instead
> > of throwing randomly throwing applications at the user, we'd be able
> > to provide them with a way how to use the applications that actually
> > *fit* these use cases.
> >
>  Glad you like it :)
>
> > I would really like to see something like that evolve, but I'm
> > obviously not the only one anymore who has a say about that (and I'm
> > quite happy about that; thank you Chris and Pierros once again!).
> >
> > Cheers!
> > --Sebastian
> >
> > P.S.: Would it make sense to put these use cases in the wiki or maybe
> > organize a sprint in IRC around that?
> >
>  I've put up an (almost skeleton) wiki page for this purpose:
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design_Suite_Planning/Long_Term_Goals
>
>  Martin 
Martin, thanks for this fantastic kickstart!

This is the upstream/workflow focus that I was telling you  :)
I am going to populate the wiki keeping your test cases as examples.

Lets work on that and see what we need to package and what we need to
push as features on the upstream projects.

~π


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[Chris Jones]

Before I give these scenarios some more thought, where are we going to
put these scenarios with application information? Wiki perhaps, as
suggested by Seb?

Regards


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[Sebastian Dziallas]

On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 7:32 AM, Chris Jones <chrisjones(a)comcen.com.au&gt; wrote:
>  Before I give these scenarios some more thought, where are we going
> to
>  put these scenarios with application information? Wiki perhaps, as
>  suggested by Seb? 
Martin started a wiki page here (thanks, btw, this is awesome!), so I
suggest we just use that:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design_Suite_Planning/Long_Term_Goals

:)

--Sebastian

>  Regards
>
>
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>
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[Chris Jones]

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Sebastian Dziallas <sebastian(a)when.com&gt; wrote:
>  Martin started a wiki page here (thanks, btw, this is awesome!), so I
>  suggest we just use that:
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design_Suite_Planning/Long_Term_Goals
>
>  :)
>
>  --Sebastian
>  

The wiki page looks great. I'll hopefully get some time over the
weekend to add some content. But it's a good start. Nice work Martin.
;-)
Regards

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