Where is that "OK"?

[Munzir Taha]

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السلام عليكم
لاحظت عند بدء تشغيل نسخة فيدورا ٤ رسائل حالة الخدمات التي تشير إلى "موافق"،
"موافق"، موافق"، ... عند كل خدمة. طبعا هذه الترجمة خاطئة ولست متأكدا من
أفضل
ترجمة فما هي اقتراحاتكم؟ هل نترجمها "نجاح" أم ماذا؟

أيضا لست متأكدا من مكان هذه الترجمة، هل من معين؟

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Telecommunications and Electronics Engineer
Maintainer of Fedora Arabic Translation Project
https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-trans-ar
Maintainer of the OpenBugs project page at
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New Horizons CLC, Riyadh, SA
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[Eng. Maha Hulwa]

What do you mean munzir.. are you talking FC4 startingup not the 
installation.. each service started is marked as OK or done.. mmm.. "تم 
التحميل" or "تمت"

On 8/13/05, Munzir Taha <munzirtaha(a)newhorizons.com.sa&gt; wrote:
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>  السلام عليكم
>  لاحظت عند بدء تشغيل نسخة فيدورا ٤ رسائل حالة الخدمات التي تشير إلى 
>  "موافق"،
>  "موافق"، موافق"، ... عند كل خدمة. طبعا هذه الترجمة خاطئة ولست متأكدا من 
>  أفضل
>  ترجمة فما هي اقتراحاتكم؟ هل نترجمها "نجاح" أم ماذا؟
>  
>  أيضا لست متأكدا من مكان هذه الترجمة، هل من معين؟
>  
>  - --
>  Munzir Taha
>  Telecommunications and Electronics Engineer
>  Maintainer of Fedora Arabic Translation Project
>  https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-trans-ar
>  Maintainer of the OpenBugs project page at
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[Eng. Maha Hulwa]

Munzir.. how can i know which string at which file related to specific 
interface..Say for example "OK" could be exists in more than one PO files 
but with different context (interface).. how do i know which context related 
to the file am translating.. Do u know what i want to say?!

On 8/13/05, Maha Helwa <ms.helwa(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  
>  What do you mean munzir.. are you talking FC4 startingup not the 
>  installation.. each service started is marked as OK or done.. mmm.. "تم 
>  التحميل" or "تمت"
>  
>  On 8/13/05, Munzir Taha <munzirtaha(a)newhorizons.com.sa > wrote:
>  > 
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>  > السلام عليكم
>  > لاحظت عند بدء تشغيل نسخة فيدورا ٤ رسائل حالة الخدمات التي تشير إلى 
>  > "موافق"،
>  > "موافق"، موافق"، ... عند كل خدمة. طبعا هذه الترجمة خاطئة ولست متأكدا
> من 
>  > أفضل
>  > ترجمة فما هي اقتراحاتكم؟ هل نترجمها "نجاح" أم ماذا؟ 
>  > 
>  > أيضا لست متأكدا من مكان هذه الترجمة، هل من معين؟
>  > 
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>  > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-trans-ar
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>  > http://www.arabic-fedora.org/munzir/OpenBugs.html 
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[Mohammad Ghoniem]

Salâm

If I understand your question, you need to use a unix utility called 
grep. It is also available for windows : http://www.wingrep.com/

salâm

Mohammad

Maha Helwa a écrit :

>  Munzir.. how can i know which string at which file related to
> specific 
>  interface..Say for example "OK" could be exists in more than one PO 
>  files but with different context (interface).. how do i know which 
>  context related to the file am translating.. Do u know what i want to 
>  say?!
>

[Eng. Maha Hulwa]

Hi Ghoniem.. didn't hear from u long time :)
Anyway.. it's not exactly what am asking about... but this utility is 
searching utility.. we can use if we want to search for common phasres or 
terms that might exists in different contexts. 

Well, currently am working on this file
"system-config-samba<http://i18n.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-status?page=module&locale=ar&module=system-config-samba&referrer=status&branch=HEAD&essential=0>",
so i know the strings inside that file related to samba configuration screen 
or sharing files via samba...
but it's not always that simple case.. we got other modules;
desc<http://i18n.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-status?page=module&locale...;,
summary,system-config-bind and redhat-backgrounds.. which i have no idea 
which screen or in what context this string is used!!
so i have two choices: either i translated it literally or trying to 
understand where and when will this string appears on the screen!!

Well, when i find out a good example i'll show it to you over here .. 
isALLAH.

Maha.

On 8/13/05, Mohammad Ghoniem <mohammad.ghoniem(a)univ-ubs.fr&gt; wrote:
>  
>  Salâm
>  
>  If I understand your question, you need to use a unix utility called
>  grep. It is also available for windows : http://www.wingrep.com/
>  
>  salâm
>  
>  Mohammad
>  
>  Maha Helwa a écrit :
>  
>  > Munzir.. how can i know which string at which file related to specific
>  > interface..Say for example "OK" could be exists in more than one PO
>  > files but with different context (interface).. how do i know which
>  > context related to the file am translating.. Do u know what i want to
>  > say?!
>  >
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[Munzir Taha]

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في يوم الأحد 09 رجب 1426 02:50, كتب Maha Helwa:
>  Munzir.. how can i know which string at which file related to
> specific
>  interface..Say for example "OK" could be exists in more than one PO files
>  but with different context (interface).. how do i know which context
>  related to the file am translating.. Do u know what i want to say?! 
Yes, and this is exctly my question ;) I don't know of any scientific way but
for this specific case I can say since this message appear on the booting
process, it should have something to do with /etc/init.d/functions so I
tended to look to the initscripts file and I've found it. I confirmed this is 
the correct file since I also found FAILED on it and there is no other file 
with OK and FAILED together. Other situations could be much harder to 
resolve. Generally, QA is more interesting but also time consuming than the 
normal translation ;)

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Munzir Taha
Telecommunications and Electronics Engineer
Maintainer of Fedora Arabic Translation Project
https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-trans-ar
Maintainer of the OpenBugs project page at
http://www.arabic-fedora.org/munzir/OpenBugs.html
Master CIW Designer, ICDL, MOUS, Linux+, LPI 101
New Horizons CLC, Riyadh, SA
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[Sherif Abdelgawad]

>  Yes, and this is exctly my question ;) I don't know of any
> scientific way 
>  but
>  for this specific case I can say since this message appear on the booting
>  process, it should have something to do with /etc/init.d/functions so I
>  tended to look to the initscripts file and I've found it. I confirmed this 
>  is
>  the correct file since I also found FAILED on it and there is no other 
>  file
>  with OK and FAILED together. 
Sorry for the late reply. You already found it. All the init scripts , that 
run
on boot time to start services, source in the /etc/init.d/functions. That
functions file has the "OK", "SCCESS', "FAILED" messages.

I also agree that this should not be translated as "mwafek" i.e.
"agreed"

Sherif

[Eng. Maha Hulwa]

OKay..Munzir or anyone, can i replace po files somewhere in FC4 so i can try 
it physically and see my translated strings in fornt of me when i switch my 
local..so the scenario or the context am talking about is more clearer to 
me? 

Maha.

On 8/14/05, Munzir Taha <munzirtaha(a)newhorizons.com.sa&gt; wrote:
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>  في يوم الأحد 09 رجب 1426 02:50, كتب Maha Helwa:
>  > Munzir.. how can i know which string at which file related to specific
>  > interface..Say for example "OK" could be exists in more than one PO 
>  files
>  > but with different context (interface).. how do i know which context
>  > related to the file am translating.. Do u know what i want to say?!
>  
>  Yes, and this is exctly my question ;) I don't know of any scientific way 
>  but
>  for this specific case I can say since this message appear on the booting
>  process, it should have something to do with /etc/init.d/functions so I
>  tended to look to the initscripts file and I've found it. I confirmed this 
>  is
>  the correct file since I also found FAILED on it and there is no other 
>  file
>  with OK and FAILED together. Other situations could be much harder to
>  resolve. Generally, QA is more interesting but also time consuming than 
>  the
>  normal translation ;)
>  
>  - --
>  Munzir Taha
>  Telecommunications and Electronics Engineer
>  Maintainer of Fedora Arabic Translation Project
>  https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-trans-ar
>  Maintainer of the OpenBugs project page at
>  http://www.arabic-fedora.org/munzir/OpenBugs.html
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>  New Horizons CLC, Riyadh, SA
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[Munzir Taha]

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في يوم الإثنين 10 رجب 1426 16:56, كتب Maha Helwa:
>  OKay..Munzir or anyone, can i replace po files somewhere in FC4 so i
> can
>  try it physically and see my translated strings in fornt of me when i
>  switch my local..so the scenario or the context am talking about is more
>  clearer to me? 
Sure! The problem is I left my laptop with FC4 on a DSL line doing yum update 
and drinking coffee all night ;)

But generally, you convert the .po files to .mo files and put all these files 
on
/usr/share/locale/ar/LC_MESSAGES/ or something similar
Please before doing this make sure your other .mo files are all here. If not 
check the other locale/ar* folders or do locate .mo and see.

For the conversion do something like this:
msgfmt cvs/fedora/translate/initscripts/po/ar.po -o initscripts.mo
and take this file and put it on the folder with the other .mo

and don't forget that you can launch the application in different languages 
without changing the whole GUI language and relogin.

If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask.

- -- 
Munzir Taha
Telecommunications and Electronics Engineer
Maintainer of Fedora Arabic Translation Project
https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-trans-ar
Maintainer of the OpenBugs project page at
http://www.arabic-fedora.org/munzir/OpenBugs.html
Master CIW Designer, ICDL, MOUS, Linux+, LPI 101
New Horizons CLC, Riyadh, SA
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[Eng. Maha Hulwa]

sure i wouldn't hesitate.. i need to try first then when a disaster happens, 
you'll find me jump in here :)

On 8/15/05, Munzir Taha <munzirtaha(a)newhorizons.com.sa&gt; wrote:
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>  في يوم الإثنين 10 رجب 1426 16:56, كتب Maha Helwa:
>  > OKay..Munzir or anyone, can i replace po files somewhere in FC4 so i can
>  > try it physically and see my translated strings in fornt of me when i
>  > switch my local..so the scenario or the context am talking about is more
>  > clearer to me?
>  
>  Sure! The problem is I left my laptop with FC4 on a DSL line doing yum 
>  update
>  and drinking coffee all night ;)
>  
>  But generally, you convert the .po files to .mo files and put all these 
>  files
>  on
>  /usr/share/locale/ar/LC_MESSAGES/ or something similar
>  Please before doing this make sure your other .mo files are all here. If 
>  not
>  check the other locale/ar* folders or do locate .mo and see.
>  
>  For the conversion do something like this:
>  msgfmt cvs/fedora/translate/initscripts/po/ar.po -o initscripts.mo
>  and take this file and put it on the folder with the other .mo
>  
>  and don't forget that you can launch the application in different 
>  languages
>  without changing the whole GUI language and relogin.
>  
>  If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask.
>  
>  - --
>  Munzir Taha
>  Telecommunications and Electronics Engineer
>  Maintainer of Fedora Arabic Translation Project
>  https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-trans-ar
>  Maintainer of the OpenBugs project page at
>  http://www.arabic-fedora.org/munzir/OpenBugs.html
>  Master CIW Designer, ICDL, MOUS, Linux+, LPI 101
>  New Horizons CLC, Riyadh, SA
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[Eng. Maha Hulwa]

Hey Munizr.. seems u didn't like it :)) .. what do u think.. "تم بنجاح" 
better or worse or nonsense :) am trying here..


On 8/13/05, Maha Helwa <ms.helwa(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  
>  What do you mean munzir.. are you talking FC4 startingup not the 
>  installation.. each service started is marked as OK or done.. mmm.. "تم 
>  التحميل" or "تمت"
>  
>  On 8/13/05, Munzir Taha <munzirtaha(a)newhorizons.com.sa > wrote:
>  > 
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>  > السلام عليكم
>  > لاحظت عند بدء تشغيل نسخة فيدورا ٤ رسائل حالة الخدمات التي تشير إلى 
>  > "موافق"،
>  > "موافق"، موافق"، ... عند كل خدمة. طبعا هذه الترجمة خاطئة ولست متأكدا
> من 
>  > أفضل
>  > ترجمة فما هي اقتراحاتكم؟ هل نترجمها "نجاح" أم ماذا؟ 
>  > 
>  > أيضا لست متأكدا من مكان هذه الترجمة، هل من معين؟
>  > 
>  > - --
>  > Munzir Taha
>  > Telecommunications and Electronics Engineer
>  > Maintainer of Fedora Arabic Translation Project
>  > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-trans-ar
>  > Maintainer of the OpenBugs project page at
>  > http://www.arabic-fedora.org/munzir/OpenBugs.html 
>  > Master CIW Designer, ICDL, MOUS, Linux+, LPI 101
>  > New Horizons CLC, Riyadh, SA
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[Munzir Taha]

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في يوم الأحد 09 رجب 1426 23:56, كتب Maha Helwa:
>  Hey Munizr.. seems u didn't like it :)) .. what do u think..
> "تم بنجاح"
>  better or worse or nonsense :) am trying here.. 
Yes I like this translation though it's two words. If no one can come with a 
better suggestion or an objection, I will approve it and correct the 
translation.

- -- 
Munzir Taha
Telecommunications and Electronics Engineer
Maintainer of Fedora Arabic Translation Project
https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-trans-ar
Maintainer of the OpenBugs project page at
http://www.arabic-fedora.org/munzir/OpenBugs.html
Master CIW Designer, ICDL, MOUS, Linux+, LPI 101
New Horizons CLC, Riyadh, SA
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[Eng. Maha Hulwa]

Okay.. one word!!.. as i remember at the end of formal letters sometimes we 
write "تمت" right!!.. why don't we use it here..i.e. it's done or the
end of 
loading the service :)).
maybe am totally wrong.. lol

Maha

On 8/15/05, Munzir Taha <munzirtaha(a)newhorizons.com.sa&gt; wrote:
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>  في يوم الأحد 09 رجب 1426 23:56, كتب Maha Helwa:
>  > Hey Munizr.. seems u didn't like it :)) .. what do u think.. "تم
> بنجاح"
>  > better or worse or nonsense :) am trying here..
>  
>  Yes I like this translation though it's two words. If no one can come with 
>  a
>  better suggestion or an objection, I will approve it and correct the
>  translation.
>  
>  - --
>  Munzir Taha
>  Telecommunications and Electronics Engineer
>  Maintainer of Fedora Arabic Translation Project
>  https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-trans-ar
>  Maintainer of the OpenBugs project page at
>  http://www.arabic-fedora.org/munzir/OpenBugs.html
>  Master CIW Designer, ICDL, MOUS, Linux+, LPI 101
>  New Horizons CLC, Riyadh, SA
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[Munzir Taha]

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في يوم الإثنين 10 رجب 1426 16:46, كتب Maha Helwa:
>  Okay.. one word!!.. as i remember at the end of formal letters
> sometimes we
>  write "تمت" right!!.. why don't we use it here..i.e. it's done or the
> end
>  of loading the service :)).
>  maybe am totally wrong.. lol 
This is also a good/better suggestion. I would also like to hear from others 
before applying the change.

- -- 
Munzir Taha
Telecommunications and Electronics Engineer
Maintainer of Fedora Arabic Translation Project
https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-trans-ar
Maintainer of the OpenBugs project page at
http://www.arabic-fedora.org/munzir/OpenBugs.html
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New Horizons CLC, Riyadh, SA
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[Eng. Maha Hulwa]

hmm.. u see it accurate and not little bit long!!!
Please somebody else suggest something else before munzir take this as a 
final one :)

On 8/15/05, Munzir Taha <munzirtaha(a)newhorizons.com.sa&gt; wrote:
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>  في يوم الإثنين 10 رجب 1426 16:46, كتب Maha Helwa:
>  > Okay.. one word!!.. as i remember at the end of formal letters sometimes 
>  we
>  > write "تمت" right!!.. why don't we use it here..i.e. it's done or
> the 
>  end
>  > of loading the service :)).
>  > maybe am totally wrong.. lol
>  
>  This is also a good/better suggestion. I would also like to hear from 
>  others
>  before applying the change.
>  
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[Mohammad Ghoniem]

السلام عليكم

تم or تمت is a good choice as far as I can tell. I would prefer the 
masculin unless you have a good reason to do otherwise.

السلام عليكم

محمد

Maha Helwa wrote:

>  Okay.. one word!!.. as i remember at the end of formal letters 
>  sometimes we write "تمت" right!!.. why don't we use it here..i.e. it's
>
>  done or the end of loading the service :)).
>  maybe am totally wrong.. lol
>
>  Maha

[Eng. Maha Hulwa]

Well..after sherif's email .. "تم أو تمت" is not enough.. how would u 
distingwish between [sucess] and [passed]

On 8/15/05, Mohammad Ghoniem <Mohammad.Ghoniem(a)univ-ubs.fr&gt; wrote:
>  
>  السلام عليكم
>  
>  تم or تمت is a good choice as far as I can tell. I would prefer the
>  masculin unless you have a good reason to do otherwise.
>  
>  السلام عليكم
>  
>  محمد
>  
>  Maha Helwa wrote:
>  
>  > Okay.. one word!!.. as i remember at the end of formal letters
>  > sometimes we write "تمت" right!!.. why don't we use it here..i.e.
> it's
>  > done or the end of loading the service :)).
>  > maybe am totally wrong.. lol
>  >
>  > Maha
>  
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[Mohammad Ghoniem]

Salâms,

تم denotes success in Arabic. We need another word for [passed] such as 
تجاوز or تجاهل.

salâms

Mohammad

Maha Helwa wrote:

>  Well..after sherif's email .. "تم أو تمت" is not
> enough.. how would u 
>  distingwish between [sucess] and [passed]
>
>  On 8/15/05, *Mohammad Ghoniem* < Mohammad.Ghoniem(a)univ-ubs.fr 
>  <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>
>      السلام عليكم
>
>      تم or تمت is a good choice as far as I can tell. I would prefer the
>      masculin unless you have a good reason to do otherwise.
>
>      السلام عليكم
>
>      محمد
>

[Eng. Maha Hulwa]

ok.. it could be but don't know if it's enough?! i don't think it's enough

that's why i put it inside a sentence but am not sure.. i mean "تجاوز" not 
enough pass what? does it mean success too? after passing something where 
are we, upto what precetange the service is completely done!!
i don't know how to explain it more!!

Anyway.. we need other opinions!!!


On 8/16/05, Mohammad Ghoniem <Mohammad.Ghoniem(a)univ-ubs.fr&gt; wrote:
>  
>  Salâms,
>  
>  تم denotes success in Arabic. We need another word for [passed] such as
>  تجاوز or تجاهل.
>  
>  salâms
>  
>  Mohammad
>  
>  Maha Helwa wrote:
>  
>  > Well..after sherif's email .. "تم أو تمت" is not enough.. how would u
>  > distingwish between [sucess] and [passed]
>  >
>  > On 8/15/05, *Mohammad Ghoniem* < Mohammad.Ghoniem(a)univ-ubs.fr
>  > <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>  >
>  > السلام عليكم
>  >
>  > تم or تمت is a good choice as far as I can tell. I would prefer the
>  > masculin unless you have a good reason to do otherwise.
>  >
>  > السلام عليكم
>  >
>  > محمد
>  >
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[Mohammad Ghoniem]

Salâms,

Well, it depends on how this word is used in English. What is intended 
by [passed] in Fedora ? Does it mean 'skip' or 'success' ? Does it take 
both meanings but in different contexts ?

A translation is not supposed to be more accurate than the original... 
If the original is fuzzy or ambiguous, make the translation as fuzzy and 
ambiguous. If the original is accurate, be accurate.  This is the rule 
by which I go. :-)

salâm

Maha Helwa wrote:

>  ok.. it could be but don't know if it's enough?!  i don't
> think it's 
>  enough that's why i put it inside a sentence but am not sure.. i mean 
>  "تجاوز"  not enough pass what?  does it mean success too? after 
>  passing something where are we, upto what precetange the service is 
>  completely done!!
>  i don't know how to explain it more!!
>
>  Anyway.. we need other opinions!!!
>
>
>  On 8/16/05, *Mohammad Ghoniem* <Mohammad.Ghoniem(a)univ-ubs.fr 
>  <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>
>      Salâms,
>
>      تم denotes success in Arabic. We need another word for [passed]
>      such as
>      تجاوز or تجاهل.
>
>      salâms
>
>      Mohammad
>

[Eng. Maha Hulwa]

On 8/16/05, Mohammad Ghoniem <Mohammad.Ghoniem(a)univ-ubs.fr&gt; wrote:
>  
>  Salâms,
>  
>  Well, it depends on how this word is used in English. What is intended
>  by [passed] in Fedora ? Does it mean 'skip' or 'success' ? Does it take
>  both meanings but in different contexts ? 

Yes, you'r right that wasn't clear enough from the begining :)

A translation is not supposed to be more accurate than the original...
>  If the original is fuzzy or ambiguous, make the translation as fuzzy
> and
>  ambiguous. If the original is accurate, be accurate. This is the rule
>  by which I go. :-)
>  
>  salâm 


Good point.. the translation should not deform the original script.. BUT 
when u explain more, does it mean you deforming the text??

[Munzir Taha]

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في يوم الثّلاثاء 11 رجب 1426 16:38, كتب Mohammad Ghoniem:
>  Salâms,
>
>  Well, it depends on how this word is used in English. What is intended
>  by [passed] in Fedora ? Does it mean 'skip' or 'success' ? Does it take
>  both meanings but in different contexts ?
>
>  A translation is not supposed to be more accurate than the original...
>  If the original is fuzzy or ambiguous, make the translation as fuzzy and
>  ambiguous. If the original is accurate, be accurate.  This is the rule
>  by which I go. :-) 
I can't agree more. (If I know the people attitude here, Sherif won't like
this rule ;)). For those who don't like this accurate measuarable rule, they
should submit a bug report upstream to clarify the meaning in the English
phrase itself not doing it downstream, I believe.

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[Sherif Abdelgawad]

>  I can't agree more. (If I know the people attitude here, Sherif
> won't like
>  this rule ;)). For those who don't like this accurate measuarable rule, they
>  should submit a bug report upstream to clarify the meaning in the English
>  phrase itself not doing it downstream, I believe. 

LOOOL bel3akss this time I do agree ;)

Sherif

[Sherif Abdelgawad]

>  A translation is not supposed to be more accurate than the 
>  original... If the original is fuzzy or ambiguous, make the 
>  translation as fuzzy and ambiguous. If the original is accurate, be 
>  accurate.  This is the rule by which I go. :-) 
Good enough rule :)

Sherif

[Munzir Taha]

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في يوم الثّلاثاء 11 رجب 1426 16:17, كتب Maha Helwa:
>  ok.. it could be but don't know if it's enough?! i don't
> think it's enough
>  that's why i put it inside a sentence but am not sure.. i mean "تجاوز" not
>  enough pass what? does it mean success too?  
No, unlike succeed, it means passed but may have had errors. I suggest the 
translation اجتياز

In summary, my votes for

OK = نجاح
FAILED = فشل
PASSED = اجتياز
WARNING = تحذير

>  after passing something where 
>  are we, upto what precetange the service is completely done!!
>  i don't know how to explain it more!!
>
>  Anyway.. we need other opinions!!! 

- -- 
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Telecommunications and Electronics Engineer
Maintainer of Fedora Arabic Translation Project
https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-trans-ar
Maintainer of the OpenBugs project page at
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[Mohammad Ghoniem]

Munzir Taha wrote:

> In summary, my votes for
>
> OK = نجاح
> FAILED = فشل
> PASSED = اجتياز
> WARNING = تحذير
>   
>  
+1.

Mohammad

[Sherif Abdelgawad]

>  In summary, my votes for
>
>  OK = نجاح
>  FAILED = فشل
>  PASSED = اجتياز
>  WARNING = تحذير 

Sounds good for me

Sherif

[Munzir Taha]

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في يوم الثّلاثاء 11 رجب 1426 20:22, كتب sabdelg(a)redhat.com:
>  > In summary, my votes for
>  >
>  > OK = نجاح
>  > FAILED = فشل
>  > PASSED = اجتياز
>  > WARNING = تحذير
>
>  Sounds good for me 
Fixed and committed.

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Telecommunications and Electronics Engineer
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https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-trans-ar
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New Horizons CLC, Riyadh, SA
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[Mohamed Eldesoky]

On Wednesday 17 August 2005 9:21 am, Munzir Taha wrote:
>  في يوم الثّلاثاء 11 رجب 1426 20:22, كتب sabdelg(a)redhat.com:
>  > > In summary, my votes for
>  > >
>  > > OK = نجاح
>  > > FAILED = فشل
>  > > PASSED = اجتياز
>  > > WARNING = تحذير
>  >
>  > Sounds good for me
>
>  Fixed and committed.
>  
Good translation, IMHO

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>  Telecommunications and Electronics Engineer
>  Maintainer of Fedora Arabic Translation Project
>  https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-trans-ar
>  Maintainer of the OpenBugs project page at
>  http://www.arabic-fedora.org/munzir/OpenBugs.html
>  Master CIW Designer, ICDL, MOUS, Linux+, LPI 101
>  New Horizons CLC, Riyadh, SA 
-- 
Mohamed Eldesoky
Systems Engineer
RedHat Certified Engineer
TE Data

[Eng. Maha Hulwa]

Ohlala... can't believe it.. Desoky come back alive!!!
Ya Ahleeen Wasahleeen.. Kefak.. Are we 5 Now?!

On 8/18/05, Mohamed Eldesoky <m.eldesoky(a)tedata.net&gt; wrote:
>  
>  On Wednesday 17 August 2005 9:21 am, Munzir Taha wrote:
>  > في يوم الثّلاثاء 11 رجب 1426 20:22, كتب sabdelg(a)redhat.com:
>  > > > In summary, my votes for
>  > > >
>  > > > OK = نجاح
>  > > > FAILED = فشل
>  > > > PASSED = اجتياز
>  > > > WARNING = تحذير
>  > >
>  > > Sounds good for me
>  >
>  > Fixed and committed.
>  >
>  
>  Good translation, IMHO
>  
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>  > Telecommunications and Electronics Engineer
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>  > New Horizons CLC, Riyadh, SA
>  
>  --
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[Eng. Maha Hulwa]

What's that IMHO?

On 8/18/05, Maha Helwa <ms.helwa(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  
>  Ohlala... can't believe it.. Desoky come back alive!!!
>  Ya Ahleeen Wasahleeen.. Kefak.. Are we 5 Now?!
>  
>  On 8/18/05, Mohamed Eldesoky <m.eldesoky(a)tedata.net&gt; wrote: 
>  > 
>  > On Wednesday 17 August 2005 9:21 am, Munzir Taha wrote:
>  > > في يوم الثّلاثاء 11 رجب 1426 20:22, كتب sabdelg(a)redhat.com:
>  > > > > In summary, my votes for
>  > > > >
>  > > > > OK = نجاح
>  > > > > FAILED = فشل
>  > > > > PASSED = اجتياز
>  > > > > WARNING = تحذير 
>  > > >
>  > > > Sounds good for me
>  > >
>  > > Fixed and committed.
>  > >
>  > 
>  > Good translation, IMHO
>  > 
>  >

[Munzir Taha]

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في يوم الخميس 13 رجب 1426 15:29, كتب Maha Helwa:
>  What's that IMHO? 
It stands for In My Humble Opinion.


>  > >
>  > > Good translation, IMHO 
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https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-trans-ar
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[Sherif Abdelgawad]

IMHO = In My Humble Opinion

- Sherif

Quoting Maha Helwa <ms.helwa(a)gmail.com&gt;:

>  What's that IMHO?
>
>  On 8/18/05, Maha Helwa <ms.helwa(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >
> > Ohlala... can't believe it.. Desoky come back alive!!!
> > Ya Ahleeen Wasahleeen.. Kefak.. Are we 5 Now?!
> >
> > On 8/18/05, Mohamed Eldesoky <m.eldesoky(a)tedata.net&gt; wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wednesday 17 August 2005 9:21 am, Munzir Taha wrote:
> > > > ?? ??? ????????? 11 ??? 1426 20:22, ??? sabdelg(a)redhat.com:
> > > > > > In summary, my votes for
> > > > > >
> > > > > > OK = ????
> > > > > > FAILED = ???
> > > > > > PASSED = ??????
> > > > > > WARNING = ?????
> > > > >
> > > > > Sounds good for me
> > > >
> > > > Fixed and committed.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Good translation, IMHO
> > >
> > >
>

[Sherif Abdelgawad]

echo_success is where it echo [OK] .. hence , I would
say "naga7" or something that convey the same thing.

For pass I would not say tagahol nor tagawoz, as it did not
ignore it. So maybe "tamma" can be for passed?

Sherif

Quoting Mohammad Ghoniem <Mohammad.Ghoniem(a)univ-ubs.fr&gt;:

>  Salâms,
>
>  تم denotes success in Arabic. We need another word for [passed] 
>  such as تجاوز or تجاهل.
>
>  salâms
>
>  Mohammad
>
>  Maha Helwa wrote:
>
> > Well..after sherif's email .. "تم أو تمت" is not enough.. how 
> > would u distingwish between [sucess] and [passed]
> >
> > On 8/15/05, *Mohammad Ghoniem* < Mohammad.Ghoniem(a)univ-ubs.fr 
> > <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
> >
> >     السلام عليكم
> >
> >     تم or تمت is a good choice as far as I can tell. I would prefer the
> >     masculin unless you have a good reason to do otherwise.
> >
> >     السلام عليكم
> >
> >     محمد
> >
>
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[Sherif Abdelgawad]

Quoting Munzir Taha <munzirtaha(a)newhorizons.com.sa&gt;:

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>  في يوم الأحد 09 رجب 1426 23:56, كتب Maha Helwa:
> > Hey Munizr.. seems u didn't like it :)) .. what do u think.. "تم 
> > بنجاح"
> > better or worse or nonsense :) am trying here..
>
>  Yes I like this translation though it's two words. If no one can come with a
>  better suggestion or an objection, I will approve it and correct the
>  translation. 
the functions file contains the following functions:

- echo_success()
     function for reporting the successful start of a program during bootup
- echo_failure()
     function for reporting the failure of the starting of a program
- echo_passed()
     function to report the passing of a system test
- echo_warning()
     function to report a warning

Not infront of a machine to verify the msgs that is being printed.

But "OK" for sccess, "FAIL" for failure", and we need to know
about
what echo passed, and echo_warning prints and come up with something
represent this.

I would not worry if it is one word or more. It is important for me
to communicate the proper information rather than trying to find
a one word.

Thanks

Sherif

[Eng. Maha Hulwa]

>  
>  the functions file contains the following functions:
>  
>  - echo_success()
>  function for reporting the successful start of a program during bootup
>  - echo_failure()
>  function for reporting the failure of the starting of a program
>  - echo_passed()
>  function to report the passing of a system test
>  - echo_warning()
>  function to report a warning
>  
>  Not infront of a machine to verify the msgs that is being printed.
>  
>  But "OK" for sccess, "FAIL" for failure", and we need to know
> about
>  what echo passed, and echo_warning prints and come up with something
>  represent this. 

We need to explain it in sentences, ok we have 4 cases:

[OK] نم البدء بنجاح 
[Passed] نم الإجتياز or تم إجتياز إختبار النظام
[Failed] حدث خطأ خلال البدء
[Warning] تحذير خلال البدء

loool.. oh my god it's horrible...Any other suggestions :)

[Munzir Taha]

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في يوم السّبت 08 رجب 1426 19:34, كتب Maha Helwa:
>  What do you mean munzir.. are you talking FC4 startingup not the
>  installation.. each service started is marked as OK or done.. mmm.. "تم
>  التحميل" or "تمت" 
Yes Maha I mean FC4 startup "[ OK ]" and "[ FAILED ]" messages.
"OK" here 
means succeed not agree and hence I didn't like موافق which refer the last 
meaning, am I wrong?

>  On 8/13/05, Munzir Taha wrote:
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>  > السلام عليكم
>  > لاحظت عند بدء تشغيل نسخة فيدورا ٤ رسائل حالة الخدمات التي تشير إلى
>  > "موافق"،
>  > "موافق"، موافق"، ... عند كل خدمة. طبعا هذه الترجمة خاطئة ولست متأكدا
> من
>  > أفضل
>  > ترجمة فما هي اقتراحاتكم؟ هل نترجمها "نجاح" أم ماذا؟
>  >
>  > أيضا لست متأكدا من مكان هذه الترجمة، هل من معين؟
>  > 

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