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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by catanzaro＠fedoraproject.org 29 Dec '19

29 Dec '19

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2019-12-30 from 09:00:00 to 10:00:00 US/Eastern At fedora-meeting-2(a)irc.freenode.net The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group. Agenda: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Chair: * Sep 30 - Michael Catanzaro * Oct 14 - Matthias Clasen * Oct 28 - Allan Day * Nov 4 - Neal Gompa * Nov 11 - No meeting - Veteran's Day * Nov 18 - Kalev Lember * Nov 25 - Chris Murphy * Dec 2 - Jens Petersen * Dec 9 - Christian Schaller * Dec 16 - Owen Taylor * Dec 23 - No meeting * Dec 30 - No meeting * Jan 6 - Langdon White More information available at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/9651/

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extreme slow down
by Damian Ivanov 20 Dec '19

20 Dec '19

Hello, I wanted to share this with you and if you point me in the right direction under what section to add something like this in the wiki I will do so! After running my system a while it continued to slow down and at some point it was so extreme that a simple copy operation would render the mouse unmovable. Note that this is an i7, 8G Ram, SSD etc. Changing to BFQ schedule, tune BFQ parameters, disabling swapping, compiling the kernel with the Muqss scheduler, nothing did help. It is not a hardware issue! It seems by default fstrim is disabled from systemd and by default nothing formats it with discard option. Running fstrim / && fstrim /home && systemctl enable fstrim.service changed the performance a dozen fold. Regards, Damian

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Workstation WG minutes, 16 December 2019
by Allan Day 17 Dec '19

17 Dec '19

See below for the minutes from yesterday's Fedora Workstation Working Group call. Allan -- Fedora Workstation Working Group: Meeting Minutes Attendance - Present: Allan, Chris, Jens, Matthias, Neal (arrived late) - Regrets: Christian, Langdon, Kalev, Owen - Missing: Michael Agenda F32 planning (#115) - Allan: is the WG the right place to do feature planning? Matthias: we can potentially get assistance from the desktop team if we identify priorities. - Chris: would like to see us close down issues that are in progress. - #116 - Broadcom wireless - it's relatively self-contained. - #101 - Impossible to see disk usage - perhaps a limited fix for this one. Outstanding disk partitioning questions are relevant here (#54 and #82): - Chris is reluctant to make big changes around disk partitioning, from a QA perspective - Matthias: isn't sure what the options are - might be hard to move away from LVM - Allan: it would be good to focus on the disk partitioning and encryption questions for F32, since these are somewhat foundational questions which impact other areas. When we do this, it would be good to get consensus over key questions (LVM or no LVM) and a sense of the direction of travel. - Matthias: with systemd-homed coming up and promising real change, making short-term changes might not be worthwhile. - Allan: seems like we have two potential themes coming out - one is trying to smooth out the more obvious pain points, the other is trying to resolve more wider architectural decisions. - Matthias: what is happening outside the workstation for F32? - Memory monitoring was happening - #98 - Chris: is low-memory monitor ready for F32? Matthias: the plumbing is getting into place for F32 (in glib and portals). - There would need to be an effort to get apps and to adopt the low memory monitor. - This could be a useful initiative for the WG to track and push for F32. - Christian Hergert has been doing some interesting work that we could draw on for this, too. - Neal raises the question of F31 being perceived to be slower than F30. General discussion about performance but no concrete takeaways. - Neal raises #117 - drop optical media criterion - General view in the discussion is that Fedora should distribute USB sticks rather than optical disks (for marketing) - Concern that the desktop experience isn't good on a DVD - Sounds like the WG should come back to this, with more data about the various hardware and use-cases, in order to state a position on the issue - WG stewardship of the F32 release - Testing and test days - it would be good to revisit the schedule and see if there's anything the WG can do to improve things or engage more - Release notes and marketing that we can push - It's fine to talk about what's included from GNOME. But what else? - The features we've talked about are potentially release notes worthy - we ought to have a list of target features that the WG can deliver for F32. - Another thing to do for F32: review the apps that are included for the release. Some of them might not be up to scratch. Our apps should work, serve a purpose, look good. We should schedule an app review as part of the release process, maybe just after beta. We should put this on our own calendar. Next meeting will be 6 January 2020.

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by catanzaro＠fedoraproject.org 17 Dec '19

17 Dec '19

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2019-12-16 from 09:00:00 to 10:00:00 US/Eastern At fedora-meeting-2(a)irc.freenode.net The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group. Agenda: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Chair: * Sep 30 - Michael Catanzaro * Oct 14 - Matthias Clasen * Oct 28 - Allan Day * Nov 4 - Neal Gompa * Nov 11 - No meeting - Veteran's Day * Nov 18 - Kalev Lember * Nov 25 - Chris Murphy * Dec 2 - Jens Petersen * Dec 9 - Christian Schaller * Dec 16 - Owen Taylor * Dec 23 - No meeting * Dec 30 - No meeting * Jan 6 - Langdon White More information available at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/9650/

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Workstation WG minutes, 9 December 2019
by Allan Day 09 Dec '19

09 Dec '19

Hi everyone, See below for the minutes from today's Workstation WG meeting. Thanks, Allan -- Switch from Pagure to Taiga - https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/112 - Neal likes the kanban board. The discussions on Taiga aren't great though. - Neal: there's a Pagure/Taiga extension, so you can have a board in Taiga and still have discussions in Pagure. - Matthias is not in favour of syncing between two tools - Langdon - issue trackers aren't really intended for discussion. He has struggled with discussion on Taiga in the past. Considers Pagure being good at issue handling to be a "trap," prefers discussion in meetings. - Neal thinks having Pagure to allow reporting issues to the working group is nice. Doesn't want to host discussions on Taiga. - Langdon suggests using both tools, Taiga for kanban and Pagure for external parties to report issues, and not syncing them. Taiga better for assigning issues as work. - Allan thinks Pagure is not nice for discussions, either. - Neal: GitLab's kanban is not good. Pagure is a better external reporting tool. Taiga is better for internal organization. - Chris: no strong opinion. - Kalev: most of Fedora uses Pagure, switching to something else will cause difficulty for other Fedora members used to Pagure. - Allan: but aren't other teams migrating to Taiga? - Langdon: Council wants to surface to the public what activity is occuring in different projects. Taiga makes this easy. But Pagure works better for FESCo, which is not a working body, it just approves issues. Hence it doesn't need the kanban. This is why some Fedora teams are slowly moving to Taiga but others are not. Workstation WG should pick whichever tool works better for it; there is no mass migration in progress. - Allan senses hesitation to move away from Pagure. Proposes vote. Option one is complete migration to Taiga. Option two is to enable Taiga extension to Pagure. - Michael suggests enabling Pagure's Taiga extension would be low-cost; people who don't like Taiga don't need to look at it. - Matthias: whether this works depends on whether the chair we select likes to use it. - Langdon: we can do a pilot/trial - VOTE 1: try Taiga for a while in addition to Pagure. - +1 Allan, +1 Michael +1 Neal, +1 Chris, +1 Jens, -1 Matthias, -1 Kalev, Abstain: Langdon, Result: (+5,1,-2) - VOTE 2: pilot Taiga for a while, without Pagure. - +1 Allan, -1 Michael -1 Neal, +1 Matthias, -1 Kalev, -1 Jens, -1 Chris, Abstain: Langon, Result: (+2,1,-5) - Approved: try Taiga alongside Pagure - Action: Langdon to find out how to set up Taiga - Done: https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/workstation-wg/timeline Appoint a permanent chair(s) - https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/114 - Discussion: should we have a chair and vice-chair, or two equal co-chairs? - Chris likes co-chair model. Also suggests having individual chair and vice-chair assigned to WG subgroups, like the encryption subgroup. - Michael and Neal also support separate chair and vice-chair. - Discussion: should we have appointed positions, or a rotation? - Langdon just doesn't want the same person in charge for a long time, but doesn't think a rotation system is necessary for that. - Consensus: appointed (elected) chair and vice-chair, terms coinciding with Fedora release cycle. - Suggestion: collect volunteers this week and appoint in the next meeting

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by catanzaro＠fedoraproject.org 08 Dec '19

08 Dec '19

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2019-12-09 from 09:00:00 to 10:00:00 US/Eastern At fedora-meeting-2(a)irc.freenode.net The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group. Agenda: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Chair: * Sep 30 - Michael Catanzaro * Oct 14 - Matthias Clasen * Oct 28 - Allan Day * Nov 4 - Neal Gompa * Nov 11 - No meeting - Veteran's Day * Nov 18 - Kalev Lember * Nov 25 - Chris Murphy * Dec 2 - Jens Petersen * Dec 9 - Christian Schaller * Dec 16 - Owen Taylor * Dec 23 - No meeting * Dec 30 - No meeting * Jan 6 - Langdon White More information available at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/9650/

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Fedora Workstation feature proposal: Tray icons
by Daniel Rusek 05 Dec '19

05 Dec '19

Hello, I would like to propose a RFE for Fedora Workstation. I think what Fedora Workstation, or GNOME in general, really misses is some support for tray icons. There are many applications that do not work properly when having no tray icon. Nowadays, tray icons are mostly implemented using an AppIndicator standard made by Canonical and supported in GNOME using the "KStatusNotifierItem/AppIndicator Support" Shell Extension also made by Canonical and packaged in Fedora as gnome-shell-extension-appindicator. This extension is preinstalled out-of-box in Ubuntu. In KDE, AppIndicators are supported out-of-box. Is there a place I could send a RFE to add the gnome-shell-extension-appindicator package to base Fedora Workstation installation or is this e-mail sufficient? No out-of-box support for tray icons is a big minus for Fedora in my opinion. Thanks! Regards, Daniel Rusek

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tpm2-abrmd installed by default, journald spammed every 5s
by Chris Murphy 03 Dec '19

03 Dec '19

Gist is tpm2-abrmd expects to find a TPM2, since it doesn't, it fails ungracefully and restarts every 5s, thus spamming the journal. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1769215 How can I find out how this package ended up in the default package set? When I try to remove it, it takes nothing else with it, so I don't know why it's on the install media. The confusion begins with Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-31-1.9.iso, which includes tpm2-abrmd-selinux-2.1.0-3.fc31.noarch tpm2-tools-3.2.0-3.fc31.x86_64 tpm2-abrmd-2.2.0-2.fc31.x86_64 tpm2-tss-2.3.1-1.fc31.x86_64 -- Chris Murphy

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by catanzaro＠fedoraproject.org 01 Dec '19

01 Dec '19

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2019-12-02 from 09:00:00 to 10:00:00 US/Eastern At fedora-meeting-2(a)irc.freenode.net The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group. Agenda: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Chair: * Sep 30 - Michael Catanzaro * Oct 14 - Matthias Clasen * Oct 28 - Allan Day * Nov 4 - Neal Gompa * Nov 11 - No meeting - Veteran's Day * Nov 18 - Kalev Lember * Nov 25 - Chris Murphy * Dec 2 - Jens Petersen * Dec 9 - Christian Schaller * Dec 16 - Owen Taylor * Dec 23 - No meeting * Dec 30 - No meeting * Jan 6 - Langdon White More information available at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/9650/

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