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Fedora Workstation WG minutes, 2022-11-01
by Chris Murphy 26 Apr '25

26 Apr '25

============================================== #fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG (2022-11-01) ============================================== Meeting started by brainycmurf at 02:31:10 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2022-11-02/workstation.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Present members: Allan, Kalev, Tomas, Michael, Chris, Jens, Neal (brainycmurf, 02:31:25) * Guests:Luna Jernberg(bittin) (brainycmurf, 02:31:25) * Regrets: Matthias (brainycmurf, 02:31:25) * Missing: Owen (brainycmurf, 02:31:25) * Secretary: Kalev (brainycmurf, 02:31:25) * F37 release status (brainycmurf, 02:31:26) * Consider limiting journal size (brainycmurf, 02:31:36) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/213 (brainycmurf, 02:31:38) * Workstation QA arrangements (brainycmurf, 02:31:53) * GNOME Software format preference (brainycmurf, 02:32:25) * Working group chair for F38 (brainycmurf, 02:32:29) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/338 (brainycmurf, 02:32:31) * Announcements, Status Updates (brainycmurf, 02:32:33) * F37 Online RC Hack Pre Release Party Friday-Sunday 4-6th November 2022 :: https://hopin.com/events/fedora-linux-37-release-party/registration (brainycmurf, 02:32:35) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Linux_37_Release_Party_Schedule (brainycmurf, 02:32:40) * The minutes from last week have been posted. (brainycmurf, 02:32:45) * LINK: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2022-10-25/workstation.2… (brainycmurf, 02:32:47) Meeting ended at 02:34:42 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * brainycmurf (41) * zodbot (7) * Allan (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.4 .. _`MeetBot`: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions

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F32, Automatic suspend isn't working.
by Chris Murphy 26 Apr '25

26 Apr '25

cross-posting test@ and desktop@ Fedora Workstation 32 (upgraded from f31) Laptop on battery power set aside, 12 hours later it's dead instead of sleeping. On F31 it reliably would sleep after 20 minutes. Sleep still happens when pressing the power button and closing the lid. It seems to be a GNOME automatic suspend timer problem. Using dconf editor, I changed the /org/gnome/settings-daemon/plugins/power/sleep-inactive-battery-timeout Custom value 30 and the problem doesn't happen. Is there a way to increase debug messages somehow to find out whether this timeout is being reached? And what process or policy is causing it to be reset? With the available information I can't figure out what's preventing sleep. -- Chris Murphy

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Plan / proposal: enable openQA update testing and potentially gating on Rawhide updates
by Adam Williamson 09 Jun '23

09 Jun '23

Hi folks! We've had openQA testing of updates for stable and branched releases, and gating based on those tests, enabled for a while now. I believe this is going quite well, and I think we addressed the issues reported when we first enabled gating - Bodhi's gating status updates work more smoothly now, and openQA respects Bodhi's "re-run tests" button so failed tests can be re-triggered. A few weeks ago, I enabled testing of Rawhide updates in the openQA lab/stg instance. This was to see how smoothly the tests run, how often we run into unexpected failures or problems, and whether the hardware resources we have are sufficient for the extra load. So far this has been going more smoothly than I anticipated, if anything. The workers seem to keep up with the test load, even though one out of three worker systems for the stg instance is currently out of commission (we're using it to investigate a bug). We do get occasional failures which seem to be related to Rawhide kernel slowness (e.g. operations timing out that usually don't otherwise time out), but on the whole, the level of false failures is (I would say) acceptably low, enough that my current regime of checking the test results daily and restarting failed ones that don't seem to indicate a real bug should be sufficient. So, I'd like to propose that we enable Rawhide update testing on the production openQA instance also. This would cause results to appear on the Automated Tests tab in Bodhi, but they would be only informational (and unless the update was gated by a CI test, or somehow otherwise configured not to be pushed automatically, updates would continue to be pushed 'stable' almost immediately on creation, regardless of the openQA results). More significantly, I'd also propose that we turn on gating on openQA results for Rawhide updates. This would mean Rawhide updates would be held from going 'stable' (and included in the next compose) until the gating openQA tests had run and passed. We may want to do this a bit after turning on the tests; perhaps Fedora 37 branch point would be a natural time to do it. Currently this would usually mean a wait from update submission to 'stable push' (which really means that the build goes into the buildroot, and will go into the next Rawhide compose when it happens) of somewhere between 45 minutes and a couple of hours. It would also mean that if Rawhide updates for inter-dependent packages are not correctly grouped, the dependent update(s) will fail testing and be gated until the update they depend on has passed testing and been pushed. The tests for the dependent update(s) would then need to be re- run, either by someone hitting the button in Bodhi or an openQA admin noticing and restarting them, before the dependent update(s) could be pushed. In the worst case, if updated packages A and B both need the other to work correctly but the updates are submitted separately, both updates may fail tests and be blocked. This could only be resolved by waiving the failures, or replacing the separate updates with an update containing both packages. All of those considerations are already true for stable and branched releases, but people are probably more used to grouping updates for stable and branched than doing it for Rawhide, and the typical flow of going from a build to an update provides more opportunity to create grouped updates for branched/stable. For Rawhide the easiest way to do it if you need to do it is to do the builds in a side tag and use Bodhi's ability to create updates from a side tag. As with branched/stable, only critical path updates would have the tests run and be gated on the results. Non-critpath updates would be unaffected. (There's a small allowlist of non-critpath packages for which the tests are also run, but they are not currently gated on the results). I think doing this could really help us keep Rawhide solid and avoid introducing major compose-breaking bugs, at minimal cost. But it's a significant change and I wanted to see what folks think. In particular, if you find the existing gating of updates for stable/branched releases to cause problems in any way, I'd love to hear about it. Thanks folks! -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA IRC: adamw | Twitter: adamw_ha https://www.happyassassin.net

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Fedora Workstation WG minutes, 2023-05-30
by Chris Murphy 30 May '23

30 May '23

============================================== #fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG (2023-05-30) ============================================== Meeting started by brainycmurf at 00:58:15 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2023-05-31/workstation.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Present members: Allan, Michael, Tomas, Kalev, Matthias, Chris, Jens, Owen, Neal (brainycmurf, 00:58:36) * Guests: (brainycmurf, 00:58:36) * Regrets: N (brainycmurf, 00:58:36) * Missing: (brainycmurf, 00:58:36) * Secretary: Chris (brainycmurf, 00:58:36) * Enable full preemption (brainycmurf, 00:58:37) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/228 (brainycmurf, 00:58:39) * ACTION: Chris to write a change proposal (brainycmurf, 00:58:55) * Discussion about setting up a Silverblue SIG (brainycmurf, 00:58:57) * LINK: https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/proposing-a-silverblue-sig/82925 (brainycmurf, 00:58:59) * AGREED: Do we think that the Silverblue SIG should be a subgroup of the Workstation WG? Probably not necessary, if there's an agreement that Silverblue shouldn't deviate from Workstation. Also if a few of us participate in the SIG. (brainycmurf, 00:59:20) * ACTION: Tomas to post on the thread and some of us to engage with the SIG discussion (brainycmurf, 00:59:24) * Automatically uninstalling Anaconda post-install (brainycmurf, 00:59:29) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/242 (brainycmurf, 00:59:31) * AGREED: Deferred until we have Neal (brainycmurf, 00:59:38) * Consider limiting journal size (brainycmurf, 00:59:40) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/213 (brainycmurf, 00:59:42) * ACTION: Chris will circle back with systemd upstream and write up a change proposal if it's ready (brainycmurf, 00:59:47) * Red Hat Bugzilla: GNOME packages are in bad shape (brainycmurf, 00:59:49) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/131 (brainycmurf, 00:59:51) * AGREED: Start with a smaller subset of packages (maybe the ones where the upstream is gitlab.gnome.org) (brainycmurf, 00:59:56) * ACTION: Tomas will talk to Matthew Miller. Allan will summarize in the ticket. (brainycmurf, 00:59:59) * Announcements and status updates (brainycmurf, 01:00:01) * The minutes from last meeting have been posted online: (brainycmurf, 01:00:08) * LINK: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2023-05-24/workstation.2… (brainycmurf, 01:00:10) Meeting ended at 01:00:13 UTC. Action Items ------------ * Chris to write a change proposal * Tomas to post on the thread and some of us to engage with the SIG discussion * Chris will circle back with systemd upstream and write up a change proposal if it's ready * Tomas will talk to Matthew Miller. Allan will summarize in the ticket. Action Items, by person ----------------------- * Allan * Tomas will talk to Matthew Miller. Allan will summarize in the ticket. * **UNASSIGNED** * Chris to write a change proposal * Tomas to post on the thread and some of us to engage with the SIG discussion * Chris will circle back with systemd upstream and write up a change proposal if it's ready People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * brainycmurf (46) * zodbot (7) * Allan (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.4 .. _`MeetBot`: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions

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Workstation WG meeting, today 30 May (secretary: Chris)
by Allan Day 30 May '23

30 May '23

Hi all, The next meeting of the Fedora Workstation Working Group is planned for today, 30 May, at 10:00 AM EDT (14:00 UTC). Join link: https://meet.opensuse.org/FedoraWorkstationWG See below for a tentative agenda. Allan -- Agenda #topic Enable full preemption #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/228 #topic Discussion about setting up a Silverblue SIG #link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/proposing-a-silverblue-sig/82925 Unclear where this proposal is going. What should the WG's role be? #topic Automatically uninstalling Anaconda post-install #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/242 Looks like this was accepted as an F39 change. Is there anything to do other than making sure that it's preinstalled for 39? #topic Consider limiting journal size #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/213 We had a proposal that seemed to get a positive response, but nothing has happened since. What are the next steps? #topic Red Hat Bugzilla: GNOME packages are in bad shape #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/131 This seems to have stalled. It would be good to figure out what, if anything, can be done. #topic Announcements and status updates #info The minutes from last meeting have been posted online: #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2023-05-24/workstation.2…

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by catanzaro＠fedoraproject.org 29 May '23

29 May '23

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2023-05-30 from 10:00:00 to 10:50:00 US/Eastern At https://meet.opensuse.org/FedoraWorkstationWG The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group Current Topics: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Etherpad: https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/fedora-workstation-wg More information available at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation Source: https://calendar.fedoraproject.org//meeting/10448/

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Fedora Workstation WG minutes, 2023-05-23
by Chris Murphy 24 May '23

24 May '23

============================================== #fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG (2023-05-23) ============================================== Meeting started by brainycmurf at 17:46:13 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2023-05-24/workstation.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Present members: Allan, Kalev, Michael, Chris, Owen, Matthias, Jens, Neal (brainycmurf, 17:46:24) * Guests: (brainycmurf, 17:46:24) * Regrets: Tomas (brainycmurf, 17:46:24) * Missing: (brainycmurf, 17:46:24) * Secretary: Neal (brainycmurf, 17:46:24) * Consider stop shipping fedora-chromium-config by default (brainycmurf, 17:46:25) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/382 (brainycmurf, 17:46:27) * GUI-based recovery environment (brainycmurf, 17:46:35) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/288 (brainycmurf, 17:46:37) * Can we make vaapi work out of the box? (brainycmurf, 17:46:48) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/209 (brainycmurf, 17:46:50) * ACTION: Matthias to ask Jonas Adahl or Dave Airlie whether they can package it. (brainycmurf, 17:47:01) * Reconsider use of adwaita-qt (brainycmurf, 17:47:03) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/351 (brainycmurf, 17:47:05) * AGREED: Revisit this topic in 1 month, with a view to making a decision. (brainycmurf, 17:47:12) * Enable full preemption (brainycmurf, 17:47:14) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/228 (brainycmurf, 17:47:16) * Announcements and status updates (brainycmurf, 17:47:20) * The minutes from last meeting have been posted online: (brainycmurf, 17:47:22) * LINK: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2023-05-17/workstation.2… (brainycmurf, 17:47:24) * Discussion about the future of Fedora and immutable OSs (brainycmurf, 17:47:27) * LINK: https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/objective-review-immutable-variants-… (brainycmurf, 17:47:31) * Discussion about setting up a Silverblue SIG (brainycmurf, 17:47:34) * LINK: https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/proposing-a-silverblue-sig/82925 (brainycmurf, 17:47:36) * ACTION: Discuss this next week (brainycmurf, 17:47:38) Meeting ended at 17:47:40 UTC. Action Items ------------ * Matthias to ask Jonas Adahl or Dave Airlie whether they can package it. * Discuss this next week Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * Matthias to ask Jonas Adahl or Dave Airlie whether they can package it. * Discuss this next week People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * brainycmurf (41) * zodbot (7) * Allan (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.4 .. _`MeetBot`: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions

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Workstation WG meeting, 23 May (secretary: Neal)
by Allan Day 22 May '23

22 May '23

Hi all, The next meeting of the Fedora Workstation Working Group is planned for tomorrow, 23 May, at 10:00 AM EDT (14:00 UTC). Join link: https://meet.opensuse.org/FedoraWorkstationWG See below for a tentative agenda. Allan -- Agenda #topic Consider stop shipping fedora-chromium-config by default #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/382 What's the status of this? #topic GUI-based recovery environment #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/288 This seems to have stalled. Do we want to reboot it, or put it on the backlog? #topic Reconsider use of adwaita-qt #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/351 #topic Enable full preemption #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/228 #topic Can we make vaapi work out of the box? #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/209 Can we have a status update? #topic Announcements and status updates The minutes from last meeting have been posted online: #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2023-05-17/workstation.2…

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by catanzaro＠fedoraproject.org 22 May '23

22 May '23

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2023-05-23 from 10:00:00 to 10:50:00 US/Eastern At https://meet.opensuse.org/FedoraWorkstationWG The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group Current Topics: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Etherpad: https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/fedora-workstation-wg More information available at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation Source: https://calendar.fedoraproject.org//meeting/10448/

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Fedora Workstation WG minutes, 2023-05-16
by Chris Murphy 16 May '23

16 May '23

============================================== #fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG (2023-05-16) ============================================== Meeting started by brainycmurf at 02:56:00 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2023-05-17/workstation.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Present members: Matthias, Tomas, Chris, Owen, Allan, Jens, Kalev, Michael (brainycmurf, 02:56:26) * Guests: (brainycmurf, 02:56:27) * Regrets: Neal (brainycmurf, 02:56:27) * Missing: (brainycmurf, 02:56:27) * Secretary: Owen (brainycmurf, 02:56:27) * Suggest upgrading KDF (Key Derivation Function) for encrypted drives (brainycmurf, 02:56:27) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/372 (brainycmurf, 02:56:29) * ACTION: : owen to comment on ticket (brainycmurf, 02:56:36) * encryption of user data (excludes system) (brainycmurf, 02:56:38) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/82 (brainycmurf, 02:56:40) * LINK: https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/future-of-encryption-in-fedora-deskt… (brainycmurf, 02:56:44) * LINK: https://hackmd.io/j0rQLW8mQ1uFKELZNliORQ?view (brainycmurf, 02:56:47) * ACTION: Owen to identify homed requirements and try to move that side of things forward. (brainycmurf, 02:57:28) * append commands to bash history instead of overwriting (brainycmurf, 02:57:35) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/364 (brainycmurf, 02:57:37) * ACTION: Michael and Chris will prepare a change proposal based on the idea of making this a drop-in #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org… (brainycmurf, 02:57:49) * can we have wifi macid randomized by default (brainycmurf, 02:57:53) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/350 (brainycmurf, 02:57:55) * ACTION: Michael to ask thaller if he can proceed based on his idea (of changing the defaults in the NetworkManager configuration) (brainycmurf, 02:58:01) * Move Fedora bookmarks to Fedora start page (brainycmurf, 02:58:04) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/313 (brainycmurf, 02:58:06) * ACTION: Deferred (brainycmurf, 02:58:10) * GUI-based recovery environment (brainycmurf, 02:58:14) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/288 (brainycmurf, 02:58:16) * ACTION: Deferred (brainycmurf, 02:58:20) * Announcements and status updates (brainycmurf, 02:58:22) * LINK: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2023-05-10/workstation.2… (brainycmurf, 02:58:26) Meeting ended at 02:58:36 UTC. Action Items ------------ * : owen to comment on ticket * Owen to identify homed requirements and try to move that side of things forward. * Michael and Chris will prepare a change proposal based on the idea of making this a drop-in #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org… * Michael to ask thaller if he can proceed based on his idea (of changing the defaults in the NetworkManager configuration) * Deferred * Deferred Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * : owen to comment on ticket * Owen to identify homed requirements and try to move that side of things forward. * Michael and Chris will prepare a change proposal based on the idea of making this a drop-in #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org… * Michael to ask thaller if he can proceed based on his idea (of changing the defaults in the NetworkManager configuration) * Deferred * Deferred People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * brainycmurf (60) * zodbot (7) * Allan (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.4 .. _`MeetBot`: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions

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