On Thu, 2014-04-17 at 12:00 +0000, desktop-request@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
Right. I could have worded my post more clearly, I suppose, but it was intended for the audience that was reading at the time, and there's an implicit assumption behind it: this is really not a Fedora-level issue, it's an upstream ecosystem one. Both the choices Fedora had were bad ones: stick with a rapidly decaying and ancient Bluetooth stack, or update it and lose some useful features. Those were literally Fedora's only choices. Either would have made someone unhappy.
I'm hopeful we can get the necessary buy-in from various folks to have slightly higher basic functionality requirements for Fedora Workstation than we did for the desktop under the ancien regime, but "working high bitrate Bluetooth audio" is probably beyond the level of 'things we're likely to block the release on' still. I recognize that it's somewhat annoying if you've just bet the farm on it, but we have practical considerations to bear in mind too - we don't have infinite development resources we can throw around to fix upstream problems.
As I said, I'm not really here to bash anyone and I understand your position. We do appreciate all the work people put into Fedora.
But I really want to help fix things, is there anything except writing code I can do to help fix things? (writing code is sadly not one of my talents :-) We're willing to put some decent testing time and QA into it.
Is there already upstream code in Rawhide?
Jorick Astrego Netbulae B.V.
On Thu, 2014-04-17 at 15:48 +0200, Jorick Astrego wrote:
On Thu, 2014-04-17 at 12:00 +0000, desktop-request@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
Right. I could have worded my post more clearly, I suppose, but it was intended for the audience that was reading at the time, and there's an implicit assumption behind it: this is really not a Fedora-level issue, it's an upstream ecosystem one. Both the choices Fedora had were bad ones: stick with a rapidly decaying and ancient Bluetooth stack, or update it and lose some useful features. Those were literally Fedora's only choices. Either would have made someone unhappy.
I'm hopeful we can get the necessary buy-in from various folks to have slightly higher basic functionality requirements for Fedora Workstation than we did for the desktop under the ancien regime, but "working high bitrate Bluetooth audio" is probably beyond the level of 'things we're likely to block the release on' still. I recognize that it's somewhat annoying if you've just bet the farm on it, but we have practical considerations to bear in mind too - we don't have infinite development resources we can throw around to fix upstream problems.
As I said, I'm not really here to bash anyone and I understand your position. We do appreciate all the work people put into Fedora.
But I really want to help fix things, is there anything except writing code I can do to help fix things? (writing code is sadly not one of my talents :-) We're willing to put some decent testing time and QA into it.
If by 'things' you mean 'this specific issue'...well, not really, upstream code is the precise thing it needs right now. If you mean 'things in general', sure, we can always do stuff with more resources. The test@ list would be most appropriate for discussing how we can best use extra QA resources. The Wiki entry point is https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Join . Hopefully we can get something started!
Is there already upstream code in Rawhide?
Last I looked, no. The place to follow would be the upstream bug report:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=73325
per the last comment, the patches for HFP are awaiting review (any patches would land in Fedora only once they're reviewed upstream and make it into a new Bluez release, unless we decide to backport the unreviewed patches). https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=73325#c12
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per the last comment, the patches for HFP are awaiting review (any patches would land in Fedora only once they're reviewed upstream and make it into a new Bluez release, unless we decide to backport the unreviewed patches). https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=73325#c12
"into a new PulseAudio release".
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