self introduction

[kendell clark]

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hi all
I'm a new user to fedora, having just switched over from arch two days
ago. My name is kendell clark, and I've been using gnu/linux since
august of 2011. I find fedora, both the operating system and the
community extremely pleasant and helpful. I'm blind, so depend on a
screen reader to use my computer. The fact that fedora not only
includes it out of the box but makes sure it's own tools are usable by
a blind person is great. Thanks to all the hard working people who
make fedora a great operating system for someone who needs assistive
technology. I plan to join the fedora documentation team eventually,
and to revive the accessibility guide which has been languerishing
abandoned since, it looks like fedora 14. Much of the information is
inaccurate, accessibility has come a long way and is a lot simpler to
set up and use now. I'm also planning to set up a
#fedora-accessibility channel for accessibility related discussions,
bugs, etc. Would anyone in the main fedora project itself be
interested in either moderating or idling in there? I was hoping for a
few package maintainers, and maybe a person or two on the installer
team? I'll of course be there, and I know of a few other fedora users
who are blind, they might be there also. I want to make fedora even
better, and make it an obvious choice for blind users everywhere. The
bot from the main fedora channel might be useful, so that bug reports,
new fedora releases, etc could be echoed there. Again, I  can't wait
to start helping out in fedora and thanks to everyone who puts their
time and effort into fedora, it's an impressive gnu/linux distro
Thanks
Kendell clark
Sent from Fedora GNU/linux version 21

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[Mark Terranova]

Greetings Kendell, I am very excited to hear your feedback. Glad to hear of
transition from user to contributor. I work with many parts of Fedora, and
can detail some later if need be.

At this point I wanted to offer any help I can with IRC channel. I already
do this, and every little bit helps.

I have a few technical ideas involving our fed-msg bus, but, that is for
another day. :)

ALL Hail Tux the Magnificent,

MarkTerranova

Doer of stuff with things



On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 8:22 PM, kendell clark <coffeekingms(a)gmail.com&gt;
wrote:

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>  hi all
>  I'm a new user to fedora, having just switched over from arch two days
>  ago. My name is kendell clark, and I've been using gnu/linux since
>  august of 2011. I find fedora, both the operating system and the
>  community extremely pleasant and helpful. I'm blind, so depend on a
>  screen reader to use my computer. The fact that fedora not only
>  includes it out of the box but makes sure it's own tools are usable by
>  a blind person is great. Thanks to all the hard working people who
>  make fedora a great operating system for someone who needs assistive
>  technology. I plan to join the fedora documentation team eventually,
>  and to revive the accessibility guide which has been languerishing
>  abandoned since, it looks like fedora 14. Much of the information is
>  inaccurate, accessibility has come a long way and is a lot simpler to
>  set up and use now. I'm also planning to set up a
>  #fedora-accessibility channel for accessibility related discussions,
>  bugs, etc. Would anyone in the main fedora project itself be
>  interested in either moderating or idling in there? I was hoping for a
>  few package maintainers, and maybe a person or two on the installer
>  team? I'll of course be there, and I know of a few other fedora users
>  who are blind, they might be there also. I want to make fedora even
>  better, and make it an obvious choice for blind users everywhere. The
>  bot from the main fedora channel might be useful, so that bug reports,
>  new fedora releases, etc could be echoed there. Again, I  can't wait
>  to start helping out in fedora and thanks to everyone who puts their
>  time and effort into fedora, it's an impressive gnu/linux distro
>  Thanks
>  Kendell clark
>  Sent from Fedora GNU/linux version 21
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[kendell clark]

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hi
 I've created a #fedora-accessibility channel and am currently idling
in there. I also regularly appear in both #fedora-users and
#fedora-docs. My accessibility feedback is mostly about gnome, but
there is one bug in the anaconda installer, on the installation
destination screen. I've also created a FAS account, but never got the
email with my initial password, so cannot log in to do anything yet.
Fedora is a nice change. I started with vinux, an ubuntu dirivitive
especially for the blind. Then went to arch, then manjaro, now fedora.
I have a very bad tendency to rant, especially when I don't feel
accessibility is given the attention it deserves, but it takes a lot
to get me there. I openly dispise microsoft windows, and proprietary
firmware. I live with the latter because it's necessary to get some
stuff working, but I hope it eventually goes away. About the irc
channel, I thought a copy of the fedora bot that the users channel
uses would be nice, so we can point people at google searches, new
releases will be announced, things like that. I'm still learning my
way around fedora's packaging system but I'm already very impressed.
Especially with  the integration with gnome shell. Gnome software is
brilliant.
Thanks
Kendell clark


Mark Terranova wrote:
>  Greetings Kendell, I am very excited to hear your feedback. Glad to
>  hear of transition from user to contributor. I work with many parts
>  of Fedora, and can detail some later if need be.
>  
>  At this point I wanted to offer any help I can with IRC channel. I
>  already do this, and every little bit helps.
>  
>  I have a few technical ideas involving our fed-msg bus, but, that
>  is for another day. :)
>  
>  ALL Hail Tux the Magnificent,
>  
>  MarkTerranova
>  
>  Doer of stuff with things
>  
>  
>  
>  On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 8:22 PM, kendell clark
>  <coffeekingms(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  
>  hi all I'm a new user to fedora, having just switched over from
>  arch two days ago. My name is kendell clark, and I've been using
>  gnu/linux since august of 2011. I find fedora, both the operating
>  system and the community extremely pleasant and helpful. I'm blind,
>  so depend on a screen reader to use my computer. The fact that
>  fedora not only includes it out of the box but makes sure it's own
>  tools are usable by a blind person is great. Thanks to all the hard
>  working people who make fedora a great operating system for someone
>  who needs assistive technology. I plan to join the fedora
>  documentation team eventually, and to revive the accessibility
>  guide which has been languerishing abandoned since, it looks like
>  fedora 14. Much of the information is inaccurate, accessibility has
>  come a long way and is a lot simpler to set up and use now. I'm
>  also planning to set up a #fedora-accessibility channel for
>  accessibility related discussions, bugs, etc. Would anyone in the
>  main fedora project itself be interested in either moderating or
>  idling in there? I was hoping for a few package maintainers, and
>  maybe a person or two on the installer team? I'll of course be
>  there, and I know of a few other fedora users who are blind, they
>  might be there also. I want to make fedora even better, and make it
>  an obvious choice for blind users everywhere. The bot from the main
>  fedora channel might be useful, so that bug reports, new fedora
>  releases, etc could be echoed there. Again, I  can't wait to start
>  helping out in fedora and thanks to everyone who puts their time
>  and effort into fedora, it's an impressive gnu/linux distro Thanks 
>  Kendell clark Sent from Fedora GNU/linux version 21
>  
> > -- desktop mailing list desktop(a)lists.fedoraproject.org 
> > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop
>  
>  
> >   
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[Mark Terranova]

Kendell, I just spoke with Fedora Admins, Im forwarding your email to
someone that help.

Mark Terranova

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 10:57 PM, kendell clark <coffeekingms(a)gmail.com&gt;
wrote:

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>
>  hi
>   I've created a #fedora-accessibility channel and am currently idling
>  in there. I also regularly appear in both #fedora-users and
>  #fedora-docs. My accessibility feedback is mostly about gnome, but
>  there is one bug in the anaconda installer, on the installation
>  destination screen. I've also created a FAS account, but never got the
>  email with my initial password, so cannot log in to do anything yet.
>  Fedora is a nice change. I started with vinux, an ubuntu dirivitive
>  especially for the blind. Then went to arch, then manjaro, now fedora.
>  I have a very bad tendency to rant, especially when I don't feel
>  accessibility is given the attention it deserves, but it takes a lot
>  to get me there. I openly dispise microsoft windows, and proprietary
>  firmware. I live with the latter because it's necessary to get some
>  stuff working, but I hope it eventually goes away. About the irc
>  channel, I thought a copy of the fedora bot that the users channel
>  uses would be nice, so we can point people at google searches, new
>  releases will be announced, things like that. I'm still learning my
>  way around fedora's packaging system but I'm already very impressed.
>  Especially with  the integration with gnome shell. Gnome software is
>  brilliant.
>  Thanks
>  Kendell clark
>
>
>  Mark Terranova wrote:
>  > Greetings Kendell, I am very excited to hear your feedback. Glad to
>  > hear of transition from user to contributor. I work with many parts
>  > of Fedora, and can detail some later if need be.
>  >
>  > At this point I wanted to offer any help I can with IRC channel. I
>  > already do this, and every little bit helps.
>  >
>  > I have a few technical ideas involving our fed-msg bus, but, that
>  > is for another day. :)
>  >
>  > ALL Hail Tux the Magnificent,
>  >
>  > MarkTerranova
>  >
>  > Doer of stuff with things
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 8:22 PM, kendell clark
>  > <coffeekingms(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  >
>  > hi all I'm a new user to fedora, having just switched over from
>  > arch two days ago. My name is kendell clark, and I've been using
>  > gnu/linux since august of 2011. I find fedora, both the operating
>  > system and the community extremely pleasant and helpful. I'm blind,
>  > so depend on a screen reader to use my computer. The fact that
>  > fedora not only includes it out of the box but makes sure it's own
>  > tools are usable by a blind person is great. Thanks to all the hard
>  > working people who make fedora a great operating system for someone
>  > who needs assistive technology. I plan to join the fedora
>  > documentation team eventually, and to revive the accessibility
>  > guide which has been languerishing abandoned since, it looks like
>  > fedora 14. Much of the information is inaccurate, accessibility has
>  > come a long way and is a lot simpler to set up and use now. I'm
>  > also planning to set up a #fedora-accessibility channel for
>  > accessibility related discussions, bugs, etc. Would anyone in the
>  > main fedora project itself be interested in either moderating or
>  > idling in there? I was hoping for a few package maintainers, and
>  > maybe a person or two on the installer team? I'll of course be
>  > there, and I know of a few other fedora users who are blind, they
>  > might be there also. I want to make fedora even better, and make it
>  > an obvious choice for blind users everywhere. The bot from the main
>  > fedora channel might be useful, so that bug reports, new fedora
>  > releases, etc could be echoed there. Again, I  can't wait to start
>  > helping out in fedora and thanks to everyone who puts their time
>  > and effort into fedora, it's an impressive gnu/linux distro Thanks
>  > Kendell clark Sent from Fedora GNU/linux version 21
>  >
>  >> -- desktop mailing list desktop(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  >> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop
>  >
>  >
>  >
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[Matthew Miller]

On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 12:57:36AM -0500, kendell clark wrote:
>   I've created a #fedora-accessibility channel and am currently
> idling
>  in there. I also regularly appear in both #fedora-users and
>  #fedora-docs. My accessibility feedback is mostly about gnome, but 
Hi Kendell! Welcome, and thank you for working on this. You might be
interested in taking a look at
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Usability
which is the Fedora Usability SIG, and which describes itself as
including accessibility. Unfortunately, it appears to be defunct;
perhaps a revival is in order?

-- 
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Fedora Project Leader

[Mark Terranova]

Sounds great. Although my time is limited, I'm able to help by idling and whatever is
needed for the irc part.
-MD



>  On Mar 16, 2015, at 8:09 AM, Matthew Miller
> <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  
> > On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 12:57:36AM -0500, kendell clark wrote:
> > I've created a #fedora-accessibility channel and am currently idling
> > in there. I also regularly appear in both #fedora-users and
> > #fedora-docs. My accessibility feedback is mostly about gnome, but
>  
>  Hi Kendell! Welcome, and thank you for working on this. You might be
>  interested in taking a look at
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Usability
>  which is the Fedora Usability SIG, and which describes itself as
>  including accessibility. Unfortunately, it appears to be defunct;
>  perhaps a revival is in order?
>  
>  -- 
>  Matthew Miller
>  <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  Fedora Project Leader
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[kendell clark]

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hi
Sounds good. I'll take a look. I'm also about to begin work on the
accessibility guide, most of which needs to be rewritten,
accessibility is much easier than it was back in 2011. I'm still not
able to log in to FAS, last I heard someone had contacted fedora admin
for my initial password, but no word back yet. I have to say, I find
fedora a really pleasant OS, not only in terms of the software it has,
which is all I need, but also in the community. The irc channels are
very helpful, and I've learned a lot so far. There are some rather
serious bugs in the upcoming gnome 3.16, and I'm not sure where to go
to report them. The #gnome and #gnome-a11y channels in irc.gnome.org
seem to be dead, not many people respond to queeries. In particular,
gdm seems to be inaccessible in 3.16. I'm almost positive this is
because it's using wayland by default, and there's some strange issue
with wayland that keeps orca from being able to read the window. If it
were to fall back to x, or the wayland issue were to be fixed it would
work fine. There are lots of unlabeled buttons in gnome's user
interface, mostly in the control center modules. There are also
duplicate buttons, in the power and notifications parts of control
center. And this is probably way off topic, just thought I'd bring it
up here. I'm unable to file a bug yet until I get my password.
Thanks
Kendell clark
Sent from Fedora 21 GNU/Linux

Matthew Miller wrote:
>  On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 12:57:36AM -0500, kendell clark wrote:
> > I've created a #fedora-accessibility channel and am currently
> > idling in there. I also regularly appear in both #fedora-users
> > and #fedora-docs. My accessibility feedback is mostly about
> > gnome, but
>  
>  Hi Kendell! Welcome, and thank you for working on this. You might
>  be interested in taking a look at 
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Usability which is the Fedora
>  Usability SIG, and which describes itself as including
>  accessibility. Unfortunately, it appears to be defunct; perhaps a
>  revival is in order?
> >   
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[Michael Catanzaro]

On Mon, 2015-03-16 at 17:02 -0500, kendell clark wrote:
>  hi
>  Sounds good. I'll take a look. I'm also about to begin work on the
>  accessibility guide, most of which needs to be rewritten,
>  accessibility is much easier than it was back in 2011. I'm still not
>  able to log in to FAS, last I heard someone had contacted fedora admin
>  for my initial password, but no word back yet. I have to say, I find
>  fedora a really pleasant OS, not only in terms of the software it has,
>  which is all I need, but also in the community. The irc channels are
>  very helpful, and I've learned a lot so far. There are some rather
>  serious bugs in the upcoming gnome 3.16, and I'm not sure where to go
>  to report them. The #gnome and #gnome-a11y channels in irc.gnome.org
>  seem to be dead, not many people respond to queeries. In particular,
>  gdm seems to be inaccessible in 3.16. I'm almost positive this is
>  because it's using wayland by default, and there's some strange issue
>  with wayland that keeps orca from being able to read the window. If it
>  were to fall back to x, or the wayland issue were to be fixed it would
>  work fine. There are lots of unlabeled buttons in gnome's user
>  interface, mostly in the control center modules. There are also
>  duplicate buttons, in the power and notifications parts of control
>  center. And this is probably way off topic, just thought I'd bring it
>  up here. I'm unable to file a bug yet until I get my password.
>  Thanks
>  Kendell clark
>  Sent from Fedora 21 GNU/Linux 
Hi!

Well bugzilla.gnome.org is the only place to report GNOME bugs. For bugs
that aren't reported against an accessibility product, add the
accessibility keyword if you can. TBH, there aren't enough people
working on accessibility nowadays and they're mostly focused on the core
frameworks rather than application issues, so just filing bugs is no
guarantee they will be fixed, but that's an important first step and the
help would be greatly appreciated.

For the most serious ones, like "gdm completely inaccessible," IRC is
absolutely a good idea, but the channel is #a11y (on irc.gnome.org) not
#gnome-a11y -- that would be your problem. :) I see joanie (Igalia) and
mgorse (SUSE) on that channel right now, both active accessibility folks
who may or may not be able to help. halfline (Red Hat, gdm maintainer)
is on that channel as well.

Thanks for your work on updating the accessibility guide! It's great to
see enthusiastic new contributors.

P.S. The upstream accessibility homepage is
https://wiki.gnome.org/Accessibility -- you can tell it's a bit out of
date by the dates on the two-year roadmap at the top. The accessibility
folks were hit hard when Oracle bought Sun and fired the accessibility
team. :(

[kendell clark]

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hi
Ah, so it's a11y not gnome-a11y. I wondered why no one was responding,
lol. i'll add to my autojoin list. I'm about to update my alpha
install on my laptop today which is supposed to contain gnome 3.15.92,
so I'll see if the issues still show up. If so, bug filing time.
Thanks
Kendell clark


Michael Catanzaro wrote:
>  On Mon, 2015-03-16 at 17:02 -0500, kendell clark wrote:
> > hi Sounds good. I'll take a look. I'm also about to begin work on
> > the accessibility guide, most of which needs to be rewritten, 
> > accessibility is much easier than it was back in 2011. I'm still
> > not able to log in to FAS, last I heard someone had contacted
> > fedora admin for my initial password, but no word back yet. I
> > have to say, I find fedora a really pleasant OS, not only in
> > terms of the software it has, which is all I need, but also in
> > the community. The irc channels are very helpful, and I've
> > learned a lot so far. There are some rather serious bugs in the
> > upcoming gnome 3.16, and I'm not sure where to go to report them.
> > The #gnome and #gnome-a11y channels in irc.gnome.org seem to be
> > dead, not many people respond to queeries. In particular, gdm
> > seems to be inaccessible in 3.16. I'm almost positive this is 
> > because it's using wayland by default, and there's some strange
> > issue with wayland that keeps orca from being able to read the
> > window. If it were to fall back to x, or the wayland issue were
> > to be fixed it would work fine. There are lots of unlabeled
> > buttons in gnome's user interface, mostly in the control center
> > modules. There are also duplicate buttons, in the power and
> > notifications parts of control center. And this is probably way
> > off topic, just thought I'd bring it up here. I'm unable to file
> > a bug yet until I get my password. Thanks Kendell clark Sent from
> > Fedora 21 GNU/Linux
>  
>  Hi!
>  
>  Well bugzilla.gnome.org is the only place to report GNOME bugs. For
>  bugs that aren't reported against an accessibility product, add
>  the accessibility keyword if you can. TBH, there aren't enough
>  people working on accessibility nowadays and they're mostly focused
>  on the core frameworks rather than application issues, so just
>  filing bugs is no guarantee they will be fixed, but that's an
>  important first step and the help would be greatly appreciated.
>  
>  For the most serious ones, like "gdm completely inaccessible," IRC
>  is absolutely a good idea, but the channel is #a11y (on
>  irc.gnome.org) not #gnome-a11y -- that would be your problem. :) I
>  see joanie (Igalia) and mgorse (SUSE) on that channel right now,
>  both active accessibility folks who may or may not be able to help.
>  halfline (Red Hat, gdm maintainer) is on that channel as well.
>  
>  Thanks for your work on updating the accessibility guide! It's
>  great to see enthusiastic new contributors.
>  
>  P.S. The upstream accessibility homepage is 
>  https://wiki.gnome.org/Accessibility -- you can tell it's a bit out
>  of date by the dates on the two-year roadmap at the top. The
>  accessibility folks were hit hard when Oracle bought Sun and fired
>  the accessibility team. :(
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[Michael Catanzaro]

On Mon, 2015-03-16 at 17:02 -0500, kendell clark wrote:
>  In particular,
>  gdm seems to be inaccessible in 3.16. 
Perhaps that was https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=729603
though it looks like a year-old bug rather than something new.