F34, pipewire and orca (screen reader)

[Adam Williamson]

Hi folks! Sending to test@ and desktop@, and CCing two folks who
reported problems.

So I finally got some time today to look into the reports of screen
reader functionality not working well in F34, with GNOME 40 and
Pipewire. I wrote the latest F34 nightly live to a USB stick, booted it
on my test laptop, and turned on the screen reader. It initially seems
to work - it reads out some of the contents of the welcome window, and
it reads out things in the GNOME environment when I click on them.

However, after I launch the installer it does not seem to read anything
in the installer. Is that normal/expected?

I do see that a bug was opened:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1940311
and closed as 'fixed' by pipewire 0.3.24:
https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2021-2c994d0609
but I'm not sure if that's the whole story.

I haven't tested how it behaves after install yet, I'll try and do that
tomorrow.
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[Matthias Clasen]

On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 9:28 PM Adam Williamson <adamwill(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
wrote:

>  Hi folks! Sending to test@ and desktop@, and CCing two folks who
>  reported problems.
>
>  So I finally got some time today to look into the reports of screen
>  reader functionality not working well in F34, with GNOME 40 and
>  Pipewire. I wrote the latest F34 nightly live to a USB stick, booted it
>  on my test laptop, and turned on the screen reader. It initially seems
>  to work - it reads out some of the contents of the welcome window, and
>  it reads out things in the GNOME environment when I click on them.
>
>  However, after I launch the installer it does not seem to read anything
>  in the installer. Is that normal/expected?
>
>  I do see that a bug was opened:
>  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1940311
>  and closed as 'fixed' by pipewire 0.3.24:
>  https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2021-2c994d0609
>  but I'm not sure if that's the whole story.
>
>  I haven't tested how it behaves after install yet, I'll try and do that
>  tomorrow.
>
>  
When I turn on orca in my Wayland session here, it speaks (of course,
there's issues
with the a11y stack in general, but it seems to work as well as it has in
F33). So the problem
you are seeing appears to be specific to the live session.

[Michael Catanzaro]

On Wed, Apr 14 2021 at 06:24:09 PM -0700, Adam Williamson 
<adamwill(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  However, after I launch the installer it does not seem to read 
>  anything
>  in the installer. Is that normal/expected? 
Yes, that is not a regression, at least not a recent one. The live 
anaconda is simply not accessible at all. I noticed this for the first 
time last year. It's a shame.

Michael

[Matthew Miller]

On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 08:54:55AM -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
>  Yes, that is not a regression, at least not a recent one. The live
>  anaconda is simply not accessible at all. I noticed this for the
>  first time last year. It's a shame. 
This seems like something worth making a priority for F35.

-- 
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Fedora Project Leader

[pvlcek]

Hi,

Anaconda is accessible, but not in Wayland session.

So, after you boot to the live session, set password for current user, 
log out and log in with Xsession and Anaconda will be accessible.

Pavel


Dne 15.04.2021 v 15:54 Michael Catanzaro napsal(a):
>  On Wed, Apr 14 2021 at 06:24:09 PM -0700, Adam Williamson 
>  <adamwill(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
> > However, after I launch the installer it does not seem to read anything
> > in the installer. Is that normal/expected?
>
>  Yes, that is not a regression, at least not a recent one. The live 
>  anaconda is simply not accessible at all. I noticed this for the first 
>  time last year. It's a shame.
>
>  Michael
>
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[Neal Gompa]

On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 11:21 AM pvlcek <pvlcek(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  Hi,
>
>  Anaconda is accessible, but not in Wayland session.
>
>  So, after you boot to the live session, set password for current user,
>  log out and log in with Xsession and Anaconda will be accessible.
>  
This is because Anaconda runs as an Xwayland app, and GNOME Wayland
does not have accessibility support for Xwayland apps.

This has been a problem for several years, unfortunately. :(



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[Michael Catanzaro]

On Thu, Apr 15 2021 at 11:27:08 AM -0400, Neal Gompa 
<ngompa13(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  This is because Anaconda runs as an Xwayland app, and GNOME Wayland
>  does not have accessibility support for Xwayland apps.
>  
>  This has been a problem for several years, unfortunately. :( 
Wow, I had no idea.