Ugly looking icons at fedora-icon-theme on Xfce

[Heiko Adams]

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Hi,
I've migrated my desktop from Gnome to Xfce for several reasons some
days ago. But currently I've got an optical problem: The
fedora-icon-theme and the echo-icon-theme seem to not provide an icon
for the bluetooth- and pulseaudio-applet and the black default icon from
the gnome-icon-theme looks absolutely ugly on Xfce. Am I the only one
with this problem?
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Regards,

Heiko Adams
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[Martin Sourada]

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Hi Heiko,

On Mon, 08 Aug 2011 23:33:13 +0200 
Heiko Adams wrote:

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>  Hi,
>  I've migrated my desktop from Gnome to Xfce for several reasons some
>  days ago. But currently I've got an optical problem: The
>  fedora-icon-theme and the echo-icon-theme seem to not provide an icon
>  for the bluetooth- and pulseaudio-applet and the black default icon
>  from the gnome-icon-theme looks absolutely ugly on Xfce. Am I the
>  only one with this problem?
>  - -- 
>  
I'd suggest you to not use pulseaudio-applet and use xfce mixer panel
applet instead. As for bluetooth, for some or other reason I see blue
echo-icon-theme's bluetooth icon... As for the black icons themselves
they are symbolic icons and I still do not comprehend why are they
preferred to usual ones even on GTK+2 and even with icon themes that
do not provide symbolic icons themselves but have their full-colour
equivalents... Is that bug or feature?

Cheers,
Martin
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[Christoph Wickert]

Am Montag, den 08.08.2011, 23:33 +0200 schrieb Heiko Adams: 
>  Hi,
>  I've migrated my desktop from Gnome to Xfce for several reasons some
>  days ago. But currently I've got an optical problem: The
>  fedora-icon-theme and the echo-icon-theme seem to not provide an icon
>  for the bluetooth- and pulseaudio-applet and the black default icon from
>  the gnome-icon-theme looks absolutely ugly on Xfce. Am I the only one
>  with this problem? 
No you are not, I already complained about this in 
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=678696 but there is no way
to change it because the icon names are hardcoded to *-symbolic. IHMO
this is fundamentally wrong as it only works with a single icon theme
(gnome-icon-theme-symbolic) and does not conform to the xdg icon naming
spec.

IHMO the right approach is 
     1. Have have gnome-icon-theme-symbolic use the normal names
        according to xdg icon naming standards 
     2. Have gnome-icon-theme-symbolic include gnome-icon-theme (done),
        so it prefers symbolic icons if available and falls back to the
        colored icons if symbolic icons are not available.

Regards,
Christoph

[Martin Sourada]

On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 13:17:38 +0200 
Christoph Wickert wrote:

>  No you are not, I already complained about this in 
>  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=678696 but there is no way
>  to change it because the icon names are hardcoded to *-symbolic. IHMO
>  this is fundamentally wrong as it only works with a single icon theme
>  (gnome-icon-theme-symbolic) and does not conform to the xdg icon
>  naming spec.
>  
>  IHMO the right approach is 
>       1. Have have gnome-icon-theme-symbolic use the normal names
>          according to xdg icon naming standards 
>       2. Have gnome-icon-theme-symbolic include gnome-icon-theme
>  (done), so it prefers symbolic icons if available and falls back to
>  the colored icons if symbolic icons are not available. 
I think the same and have another reason for this: symbolic icons don't
work the way they are supposed to with GTK+2, which means that with
some [not uncommon] panel configurations it makes the icon practically
invisible (e.g. if you use ibus input method and have the indicator
displayed even if ibus is turned off, set panel colour to #BFBFBF and
guess where the icon disappeared to...).

The question is, can we do anything with the situation? Patch icon
themes to symlink symbolic icon filenames to "proper" icons included
in the particular themes? Or mass file bugs about offending apps +
gnome-icon-theme-symbolic?

Cheers,
Martin