f33 f34 rpm changes

[Chris Murphy]

Same info I put in IRC, but it won't expire in 23 hours...

RPMs in f33, removed in f34
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1maVoS03q6jmCiB0xiA-TUuUZLVm67_1f/view?usp=s...

RPMs added to f34
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1p_uVTsJjmFsm1z_VAG9bFaiefYBEfvx0/view?usp=s...

size of packages added to f34, sorted by size
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jfZeyT2pY7TlcR-OBJbZJKoWpJ8MZKAc/view?usp=s...

diff -up f33 f34 (long but shows context of +/-)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YEdGZMc_97zg_HPMQfq8cbqC5j9Uha0I/view?usp=s...

size in bytes
2049490944  Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-33-1.2.iso
2001469440  Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-34_Beta-1.3.iso

[Chuck Anderson]

On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 12:39:41AM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:
> size in bytes
> 2049490944  Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-33-1.2.iso
> 2001469440  Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-34_Beta-1.3.iso

(What's with all the 4s and 9s in the file sizes?)

34 Beta 1.2 was:

1999503360 Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-34_Beta-1.2.iso

I tested 34 Beta 1.2 on a 2000000000 byte capacity USB stick.  I guess I'll have to find a 2GiB USB or waste a 4G stick for 1.3.

The Release-Blocking Deliverables page specifies the max image size as 2.1 GB, which means 2100000000 bytes?  Why 2.1 and not 2.0?

It is confusing that both GB (decimal) and MiB (binary) are used on that page:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/34/ReleaseBlocking

[Michael Catanzaro]

On Fri, Mar 19 2021 at 08:03:33 AM -0400, Chuck Anderson 
 wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 12:39:41AM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:
> > size in bytes
> >  2049490944  Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-33-1.2.iso
> >  2001469440  Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-34_Beta-1.3.iso
>
> (What's with all the 4s and 9s in the file sizes?)
>
> 34 Beta 1.2 was:
>
> 1999503360 Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-34_Beta-1.2.iso
>
> I tested 34 Beta 1.2 on a 2000000000 byte capacity USB stick.  I 
> guess I'll have to find a 2GiB USB or waste a 4G stick for 1.3.
>
> The Release-Blocking Deliverables page specifies the max image size 
> as 2.1 GB, which means 2100000000 bytes?  Why 2.1 and not 2.0?

It's 2.1 GB because last release cycle we exceeded 2.0 GB and didn't 
want to remove anything. :P Realistically you're indeed going to need a 
4 GB stick unfortunately, unless we can identify something really big 
that can be removed, which is doubtful. Package install footprints tend 
to grow over time and when we were strict on the size requirement in 
the past it eventually led to extreme measures that we don't want to 
repeat, e.g. shrinking user help images to try to get help packages 
smaller.

Anyway we didn't increase the size limit to 4.0 GB because we still 
want to keep an eye on the image size and ensure it's not increasing 
too quickly. The difference between 2.1 GB and 4.0 GB may be nothing to 
someone with a 2 GB USB stick and a fast internet connection, but to 
someone with a slow connection it's huge.
> It is confusing that both GB (decimal) and MiB (binary) are used on 
> that page:
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/34/ReleaseBlocking

Yeah that's not great. We shouldn't switch between units.

Michael

[Adam Williamson]

On Fri, 2021-03-19 at 08:36 -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 19 2021 at 08:03:33 AM -0400, Chuck Anderson 
>  wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 12:39:41AM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:
> > > size in bytes
> > >  2049490944  Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-33-1.2.iso
> > >  2001469440  Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-34_Beta-1.3.iso
> >
> > (What's with all the 4s and 9s in the file sizes?)
> >
> > 34 Beta 1.2 was:
> >
> > 1999503360 Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-34_Beta-1.2.iso
> >
> > I tested 34 Beta 1.2 on a 2000000000 byte capacity USB stick.  I 
> > guess I'll have to find a 2GiB USB or waste a 4G stick for 1.3.
> >
> > The Release-Blocking Deliverables page specifies the max image size 
> > as 2.1 GB, which means 2100000000 bytes?  Why 2.1 and not 2.0?
>
> It's 2.1 GB because last release cycle we exceeded 2.0 GB and didn't 
> want to remove anything. :P Realistically you're indeed going to need a 
> 4 GB stick unfortunately, unless we can identify something really big 
> that can be removed, which is doubtful. Package install footprints tend 
> to grow over time and when we were strict on the size requirement in 
> the past it eventually led to extreme measures that we don't want to 
> repeat, e.g. shrinking user help images to try to get help packages 
> smaller.
>
> Anyway we didn't increase the size limit to 4.0 GB because we still 
> want to keep an eye on the image size and ensure it's not increasing 
> too quickly. The difference between 2.1 GB and 4.0 GB may be nothing to 
> someone with a 2 GB USB stick and a fast internet connection, but to 
> someone with a slow connection it's huge.
> > It is confusing that both GB (decimal) and MiB (binary) are used on 
> > that page:
> >
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/34/ReleaseBlocking
>
> Yeah that's not great. We shouldn't switch between units.

IIRC the reason is media sizes. Max size for a writeable CD is exactly
700 MiB (not MB). Max size for a writeable DVD is exactly 4.7GB (not
GiB). 2GB and 4GB targets are considered as targeting USB sticks, which
also tend to be in decimal units.