updated gartner report on PC shipments

[Matthew Miller]

The 305million you're quoting comes from last year's Gartner report, where
they give that big number, but it's down 10% from the prior year and they
predicted another 10% fall for this year.

But check out this updated report from last month:
<http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/2791017> Here, they break out
traditional PCs from "ultramobiles and premium", and the traditional PC is
falling but the latter category is on the rise. They follow this up with
<http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/2793921>;, which is were I think we find
the great new quote:

  The PC market's installed based has been declining as buyers switched to
  tablets and smartphones for entertainment and social media consumption.
  The 2Q14 results suggest that the consumer installed base restructuring
  peaked during 2013. We are seeing a slowdown in premium tablet sales,
  which have already penetrated a large number of households. PCs are now
  growing off a smaller installed base of newer devices, with more engaged
  users.

I think it's the "smaller installed base of more engaged users" is
what's
really exciting for us.

-- 
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Fedora Project Leader

[Matthew Miller]

(This is in response to something Christian said at Flock in the Fedora
Workstation talk. I was trying to send it just to him, but apparently, I
fail at that. But, hey, it's actually nothing secret and generally relevant,
so, here you go.)

On Wed, Aug 06, 2014 at 08:24:20AM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
>  The 305million you're quoting comes from last year's Gartner
> report, where
>  they give that big number, but it's down 10% from the prior year and they
>  predicted another 10% fall for this year.
>  
>  But check out this updated report from last month:
>  <http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/2791017> Here, they break out
>  traditional PCs from "ultramobiles and premium", and the traditional PC is
>  falling but the latter category is on the rise. They follow this up with
>  <http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/2793921>;, which is were I think we find
>  the great new quote:
>  
>    The PC market's installed based has been declining as buyers switched to
>    tablets and smartphones for entertainment and social media consumption.
>    The 2Q14 results suggest that the consumer installed base restructuring
>    peaked during 2013. We are seeing a slowdown in premium tablet sales,
>    which have already penetrated a large number of households. PCs are now
>    growing off a smaller installed base of newer devices, with more engaged
>    users.
>  
>  I think it's the "smaller installed base of more engaged users" is
> what's
>  really exciting for us. 
-- 
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Fedora Project Leader

[Elad Alfassa]

On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
wrote:

>  (This is in response to something Christian said at Flock in the Fedora
>  Workstation talk. I was trying to send it just to him, but apparently, I
>  fail at that. But, hey, it's actually nothing secret and generally
>  relevant,
>  so, here you go.)
>  

I think it was Matthew Garret who said this at GUADEC:
Desktop sales are declining not because Desktop is dying, but because most
people already have at least one desktop or laptop.

-- 
-Elad Alfassa.

[drago01]

On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Elad Alfassa <elad(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  wrote:
> >
> >
> > (This is in response to something Christian said at Flock in the Fedora
> > Workstation talk. I was trying to send it just to him, but apparently, I
> > fail at that. But, hey, it's actually nothing secret and generally
> > relevant,
> > so, here you go.)
>
>
>
>  I think it was Matthew Garret who said this at GUADEC:
>  Desktop sales are declining not because Desktop is dying, but because most
>  people already have at least one desktop or laptop. 
Yeah people consider the systems they have "good enough" and see no
need to buy new devices for the sake of buying new devices.
The same is starting to happen with the tablet marked (where the
growth is shrinking). As for smartphones carriers have found ways to
let people buy new phones every or every second year.

So not sure what this thread is all about.

[Matthew Miller]

On Wed, Aug 06, 2014 at 02:37:24PM +0200, drago01 wrote:
>  Yeah people consider the systems they have "good enough"
> and see no
>  need to buy new devices for the sake of buying new devices.
>  The same is starting to happen with the tablet marked (where the
>  growth is shrinking). As for smartphones carriers have found ways to
>  let people buy new phones every or every second year. 
Citation needed. I mean, that makes some sense, but I literally linked to an
analyst report which paints a different picture. (Not a bleak picture, mind
you -- it's one where we have opportunity.)

>  So not sure what this thread is all about. 
Well, it's a little out of context since I posted it by accident.

-- 
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Fedora Project Leader

[Bastien Nocera]

----- Original Message -----
>  On Wed, Aug 06, 2014 at 02:37:24PM +0200, drago01 wrote:
>  > Yeah people consider the systems they have "good enough" and see no
>  > need to buy new devices for the sake of buying new devices.
>  > The same is starting to happen with the tablet marked (where the
>  > growth is shrinking). As for smartphones carriers have found ways to
>  > let people buy new phones every or every second year.
>  
>  Citation needed. I mean, that makes some sense, but I literally linked to an
>  analyst report which paints a different picture. (Not a bleak picture, mind
>  you -- it's one where we have opportunity.) 
Something like this?
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/08/op-ed-tables-really-are-pcsbecause...

>  > So not sure what this thread is all about.
>  
>  Well, it's a little out of context since I posted it by accident. 
I'm pretty sure that we can easily find similar stories about cars:
"Car sales are down!"
But nobody's claiming that there are less cars on the road (unfortunately)

That's probably what happens in a mature market (cars, fridges, vacuum cleaners...)