Alacarte is not installed by default

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi,

http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/comps/comps-f12.xml.in?view=markup

It's listed as a optional package in comps. Shouldn't it be default?

Rahul

[Bill Nottingham]

Rahul Sundaram ([e-mail]) said:
> http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/comps/comps-f12.xml.in?view=markup
>
> It's listed as a optional package in comps. Shouldn't it be default?

This was changed at feature freeze, before the alpha, looks to be
part of a few general desktop package set tweaks.

Bill

[Adam Williamson]

On Fri, 2009-10-23 at 11:40 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Rahul Sundaram ([e-mail]) said:
> > http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/comps/comps-f12.xml.in?view=markup
> >
> > It's listed as a optional package in comps. Shouldn't it be default?
>
> This was changed at feature freeze, before the alpha, looks to be
> part of a few general desktop package set tweaks.

Rahul probably saw the same forum post I did, from a guy who was a bit
confused that it was 'missing'. That was the only post I saw, though, so
it's hard to say how many people will be in the same position.

(worth noting that if you just run PackageKit and search for 'menu' it
doesn't show up, you have to use the not-terribly-discoverable UI for
switching to 'search by description' before it'll show up in a search).

[Rahul Sundaram]

On 10/23/2009 09:44 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Fri, 2009-10-23 at 11:40 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> > Rahul Sundaram ([e-mail]) said:
> > > http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/comps/comps-f12.xml.in?view=markup
> > >
> > > It's listed as a optional package in comps. Shouldn't it be default?
> >
> > This was changed at feature freeze, before the alpha, looks to be
> > part of a few general desktop package set tweaks.
>
> Rahul probably saw the same forum post I did, from a guy who was a bit
> confused that it was 'missing'. That was the only post I saw, though, so
> it's hard to say how many people will be in the same position

I saw it a couple of other places. Matthias Clasen has edited the
desktop beat to add a note on this after the current discussion so I
have to assume that it was not dropped accidentally.  Many of the
packages we are dropping out of the Live CD or the default set in comps
are being used often by end users still and it is not easy to find and
install them. Try search for "office" or "openoffice" in
gpk-application. Not a nice user experience.

Rahul

[Adam Williamson]

On Sat, 2009-10-24 at 12:16 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 10/23/2009 09:44 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Fri, 2009-10-23 at 11:40 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> > > Rahul Sundaram ([e-mail]) said:
> > > > http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/comps/comps-f12.xml.in?view=markup
> > > >
> > > > It's listed as a optional package in comps. Shouldn't it be default?
> > >
> > > This was changed at feature freeze, before the alpha, looks to be
> > > part of a few general desktop package set tweaks.
> >
> > Rahul probably saw the same forum post I did, from a guy who was a bit
> > confused that it was 'missing'. That was the only post I saw, though, so
> > it's hard to say how many people will be in the same position
>
> I saw it a couple of other places. Matthias Clasen has edited the

Here's another recent one:

http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=232502

[Matthias Clasen]

On Fri, 2009-10-23 at 09:14 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> (worth noting that if you just run PackageKit and search for 'menu' it
> doesn't show up, you have to use the not-terribly-discoverable UI for
> switching to 'search by description' before it'll show up in a search).

We don't have any illusions that the current gpk-application is a good
solution for application search and installation. That is going to be a
focus for improvement in F13, I think.

But is 'search by description' not the default ? I thought it was, and
if it isn't, we should make it so. I'll talk to Richard about that.

Matthias

[Adam Williamson]

On Sat, 2009-10-24 at 10:25 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> On Fri, 2009-10-23 at 09:14 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > (worth noting that if you just run PackageKit and search for 'menu' it
> > doesn't show up, you have to use the not-terribly-discoverable UI for
> > switching to 'search by description' before it'll show up in a search).
>
> We don't have any illusions that the current gpk-application is a good
> solution for application search and installation. That is going to be a
> focus for improvement in F13, I think.
>
> But is 'search by description' not the default ? I thought it was, and
> if it isn't, we should make it so. I'll talk to Richard about that.

Not on either of my systems. I'm pretty sure I didn't switch it to
'search by name' manually.

[Richard Hughes]

2009/10/24 Matthias Clasen :
> But is 'search by description' not the default ? I thought it was, and
> if it isn't, we should make it so. I'll talk to Richard about that.

It should be set to search by description by default, unless you've
got GConf settings imported from F10 era. If you "unset"
/apps/gnome-packagekit/application/search_mode in gconf-editor then it
should return to details.

Richard.