Hello,
During the first week of February, I had downloaded a Fedora 15 nightly Live CD ISO. After booting into the Live image from my USB stick and testing some of the new Fedora 15 features, I desired to restart my computer and return to my Fedora 14 installation on my SSD drives. Upon searching throughout the Gnome Shell I found no option to restart. I did not want to shut down my computer. I felt trapped in Gnome Shell.
I request a restart option in Gnome Shell. A restart option has been necessary functionality for computers since before I was born.
If usage cases are necessary I will provide a few below: -Reinitialize hardware that has frozen Some USB devices or PCI-based devices lockup and require a restart to reinitialize. -Live CD images. Users running Fedora temporarily do not need to shut down and power off the hardware. A Restart is the only option necessary. -Software updates Kernel updates require a system reboot. I do not need to shut down and power off my hardware to perform this. -Customer support When dealing with less-informed computer users, it is sometimes necessary to walk them through a restart of the system. They do not need to power off the hardware (and sometimes they do not know how to power on their hardware).
Thanks, Michael
P.S. I realize there is the "reboot" shell command, or "shutdown -r" command, however, this is a non-aesthetic solution.
On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 09:19 -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
Hello,
During the first week of February, I had downloaded a Fedora 15 nightly Live CD ISO. After booting into the Live image from my USB stick and testing some of the new Fedora 15 features, I desired to restart my computer and return to my Fedora 14 installation on my SSD drives. Upon searching throughout the Gnome Shell I found no option to restart. I did not want to shut down my computer. I felt trapped in Gnome Shell.
Known bug: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=641375
Cheers
PS: There's a little FAQ about some of the known design issues: http://www.hadess.net/2011/02/gnome-3-test-day.html
Bastien Nocera wrote:
Known bug: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=641375
Thank you for the link.
Cheers
PS: There's a little FAQ about some of the known design issues: http://www.hadess.net/2011/02/gnome-3-test-day.html
Thanks for this link, too. I don't know many "Gnome" sites and since this is all brand new, bleeding-edge stuff, wikis and Google don't know about them yet.
On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 09:42 -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
Bastien Nocera wrote:
Known bug: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=641375
Thank you for the link.
Cheers
PS: There's a little FAQ about some of the known design issues: http://www.hadess.net/2011/02/gnome-3-test-day.html
Thanks for this link, too. I don't know many "Gnome" sites and since this is all brand new, bleeding-edge stuff, wikis and Google don't know about them yet.
planet.gnome.org should have most of the interesting blogs syndicated, if you're interested in following the upstream changes.
Cheers
On 02/16/2011 03:38 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote:
On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 09:19 -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
Hello,
During the first week of February, I had downloaded a Fedora 15 nightly Live CD ISO. After booting into the Live image from my USB stick and testing some of the new Fedora 15 features, I desired to restart my computer and return to my Fedora 14 installation on my SSD drives. Upon searching throughout the Gnome Shell I found no option to restart. I did not want to shut down my computer. I felt trapped in Gnome Shell.
Known bug: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=641375
It had spurred arousal on the test list since Adam mention that the Desktop team had decide to remove the ability to reboot. ( and nobody from the desktop team well corrected him )
"It was discussed during the Test Day. I don't have a web reference for this exact issue, but the position of the design team is that they think the only common use case for rebooting is to boot into a different operating system in a multi-boot configuration, and they want to handle that as a special case somehow (a direct 'reboot to Windows' option has been suggested). They don't believe there are any sufficiently common use cases for rebooting other than that one to justify the added complexity of providing it as an option. (Desktop team, please correct me if I'm representing this wrong)."
Just so we are clear on the subject the Gnome UI designer are not going to remove the ability to reboot from the desktop? ( Old mockups suggest that the ability to reboot will not be removed [1][2] ).
1. http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/Whiteboards/UserMenu 2. http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/Whiteboards/SystemStopRestart
Cheers..
JBG
On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 16:27 +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
On 02/16/2011 03:38 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote:
On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 09:19 -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
Hello,
During the first week of February, I had downloaded a Fedora 15 nightly Live CD ISO. After booting into the Live image from my USB stick and testing some of the new Fedora 15 features, I desired to restart my computer and return to my Fedora 14 installation on my SSD drives. Upon searching throughout the Gnome Shell I found no option to restart. I did not want to shut down my computer. I felt trapped in Gnome Shell.
Known bug: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=641375
It had spurred arousal on the test list since Adam mention that the Desktop team had decide to remove the ability to reboot. ( and nobody from the desktop team well corrected him )
In my particular case, that's because I don't read test-list. I can't help it if people hastily conclude things from comments left on bugzillas.
Cheers
On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 16:31 +0000, Bastien Nocera wrote:
On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 16:27 +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
On 02/16/2011 03:38 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote:
On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 09:19 -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
Hello,
During the first week of February, I had downloaded a Fedora 15 nightly Live CD ISO. After booting into the Live image from my USB stick and testing some of the new Fedora 15 features, I desired to restart my computer and return to my Fedora 14 installation on my SSD drives. Upon searching throughout the Gnome Shell I found no option to restart. I did not want to shut down my computer. I felt trapped in Gnome Shell.
Known bug: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=641375
It had spurred arousal on the test list since Adam mention that the Desktop team had decide to remove the ability to reboot. ( and nobody from the desktop team well corrected him )
In my particular case, that's because I don't read test-list. I can't help it if people hastily conclude things from comments left on bugzillas.
sorry if I got it wrong, it was my memory of the issue being discussed at the test day, not something I got from Bugzilla. Obviously I should check the log next time. :/
On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 08:42 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 16:31 +0000, Bastien Nocera wrote:
On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 16:27 +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
On 02/16/2011 03:38 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote:
On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 09:19 -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
Hello,
During the first week of February, I had downloaded a Fedora 15 nightly Live CD ISO. After booting into the Live image from my USB stick and testing some of the new Fedora 15 features, I desired to restart my computer and return to my Fedora 14 installation on my SSD drives. Upon searching throughout the Gnome Shell I found no option to restart. I did not want to shut down my computer. I felt trapped in Gnome Shell.
Known bug: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=641375
It had spurred arousal on the test list since Adam mention that the Desktop team had decide to remove the ability to reboot. ( and nobody from the desktop team well corrected him )
In my particular case, that's because I don't read test-list. I can't help it if people hastily conclude things from comments left on bugzillas.
sorry if I got it wrong, it was my memory of the issue being discussed at the test day, not something I got from Bugzilla. Obviously I should check the log next time. :/
Feel free to CC: the desktop list or ask on #fedora-desktop on GIMPNet if questions like this occur again.
Cheers
On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 17:14 +0000, Bastien Nocera wrote:
Feel free to CC: the desktop list or ask on #fedora-desktop on GIMPNet if questions like this occur again.
I try to avoid cross-posting between MLs as much as I can because there's inevitably people who aren't subscribed to both so some replies only go to one or the other and you wind up with diverging threads and it's confusing. But will do!
On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 16:27 +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
Just so we are clear on the subject the Gnome UI designer are not going to remove the ability to reboot from the desktop? ( Old mockups suggest that the ability to reboot will not be removed [1][2] ).
Old mockups are generally not a good source for current thinking. We may well end up without a separate 'Reboot' menu item or button. I don't think the world will end.
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