1:39 p.m.
Fedora Workstation 25 Beta...
I have found a difference between Xorg and Wayland drag and drop
behavior in Gnome Shell.
In Wayland you cannot drag the icon through the hot corner and paste
into an application in a
different workspace.
The Xorg drag and drop is intuitive. You hold the mouse button down
through the entire
operation until you reach the target and then release to drop.
The Wayland drag and drop works but it is not obvious what to do. You
must drag the object
into the hot corner. When the Overview is displayed, move cursor into
the Overview. The
icon is detached from the cursor and remains at the corner. You then
release the mouse
button and move the cursor to the workspace with the target. Press and release the mouse
button to select the target. The target will be moved from the
workspace to the body
of the Overview. Move the mouse button to the target and press and
release the mouse
button. The Overview will close and the icon appears and reconnects to
the cursor. Click
the target and the object will be dropped.
I have placed a compressed file with two short videos of Xorg and
Wayland drags from an
application to an application in a different workspace at:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B52Y4vnjoV74WDVaQ1F6TjlXSk0/view?usp=s
haring
My question: Is the Wayland behavior intended by design or should I
report a bug?
Thanks,
Norman
2:10 p.m.
On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Norman L Smith <nls1729(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Fedora Workstation 25 Beta...
I have found a difference between Xorg and Wayland drag and drop behavior in
Gnome Shell.
In Wayland you cannot drag the icon through the hot corner and paste into an
application in a
different workspace.
The Xorg drag and drop is intuitive. You hold the mouse button down through
the entire
operation until you reach the target and then release to drop.
The Wayland drag and drop works but it is not obvious what to do. You must
drag the object
into the hot corner. When the Overview is displayed, move cursor into the
Overview. The
icon is detached from the cursor and remains at the corner. You then
release the mouse
button and move the cursor to the workspace with the target. Press and
release the mouse
button to select the target. The target will be moved from the workspace to
the body
of the Overview. Move the mouse button to the target and press and release
the mouse
button. The Overview will close and the icon appears and reconnects to the
cursor. Click
the target and the object will be dropped.
I have placed a compressed file with two short videos of Xorg and Wayland
drags from an
application to an application in a different workspace at:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B52Y4vnjoV74WDVaQ1F6TjlXSk0/view?usp=sha...
My question: Is the Wayland behavior intended by design or should I report a
bug?
Hmm, interesting. It does not strike me as wrong behavior off hand,
but it is remarkably different behavior. On a trackpad, continuously
holding down the button while dragging with X is a little tedious
actually, and the result you want has a good chance of failure if you
"let go" of the dragged object through inadvertent unclicking. This
is less likely with the Wayland behavior.
But it's a valid question whether the difference in behavior is
intentional or an artifact. If it's going to change, the sooner the
better, rather than having multiple different behaviors floating about
among Fedora releases.
--
Chris Murphy
4:55 p.m.
On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 01:10:19PM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Norman L Smith
<nls1729(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Fedora Workstation 25 Beta...
>
> I have found a difference between Xorg and Wayland drag and drop behavior in
> Gnome Shell.
> In Wayland you cannot drag the icon through the hot corner and paste into an
> application in a
> different workspace.
>
> The Xorg drag and drop is intuitive. You hold the mouse button down through
> the entire
> operation until you reach the target and then release to drop.
>
> The Wayland drag and drop works but it is not obvious what to do. You must
> drag the object
> into the hot corner. When the Overview is displayed, move cursor into the
> Overview. The
> icon is detached from the cursor and remains at the corner. You then
> release the mouse
> button and move the cursor to the workspace with the target. Press and
> release the mouse
> button to select the target. The target will be moved from the workspace to
> the body
> of the Overview. Move the mouse button to the target and press and release
> the mouse
> button. The Overview will close and the icon appears and reconnects to the
> cursor. Click
> the target and the object will be dropped.
>
> I have placed a compressed file with two short videos of Xorg and Wayland
> drags from an
> application to an application in a different workspace at:
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B52Y4vnjoV74WDVaQ1F6TjlXSk0/view?usp=sha...
>
> My question: Is the Wayland behavior intended by design or should I report a
> bug?
Hmm, interesting. It does not strike me as wrong behavior off hand,
but it is remarkably different behavior. On a trackpad, continuously
holding down the button while dragging with X is a little tedious
actually, and the result you want has a good chance of failure if you
"let go" of the dragged object through inadvertent unclicking. This
is less likely with the Wayland behavior.
fwiw, libinput allows you to hold the button down with one finger and use a
second finger to move the cursor. that should work on most touchpads, given
the right hardware capabilities.
Cheers,
Peter
>
> But it's a valid question whether the difference in behavior is
> intentional or an artifact. If it's going to change, the sooner the
> better, rather than having multiple different behaviors floating about
> among Fedora releases.
>
3:28 a.m.
On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 8:39 PM, Norman L Smith <nls1729(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Fedora Workstation 25 Beta...
I have found a difference between Xorg and Wayland drag and drop behavior in
Gnome Shell.
In Wayland you cannot drag the icon through the hot corner and paste into an
application in a
different workspace.
The Xorg drag and drop is intuitive. You hold the mouse button down through
the entire
operation until you reach the target and then release to drop.
The Wayland drag and drop works but it is not obvious what to do. You must
drag the object
into the hot corner. When the Overview is displayed, move cursor into the
Overview. The
icon is detached from the cursor and remains at the corner. You then
release the mouse
button and move the cursor to the workspace with the target. Press and
release the mouse
button to select the target. The target will be moved from the workspace to
the body
of the Overview. Move the mouse button to the target and press and release
the mouse
button. The Overview will close and the icon appears and reconnects to the
cursor. Click
the target and the object will be dropped.
I have placed a compressed file with two short videos of Xorg and Wayland
drags from an
application to an application in a different workspace at:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B52Y4vnjoV74WDVaQ1F6TjlXSk0/view?usp=sha...
My question: Is the Wayland behavior intended by design or should I report a
bug?
Dragging stuff accross workspaces like that was never ported to wayland.
I am surprised it even "works".
It is indeed not intentional ... please file a bug (upstream if possible).
10:15 a.m.
On Sun, 2016-10-23 at 09:06 -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
On Sun, 2016-10-23 at 10:28 +0200, drago01 wrote:
>
> please file a bug (upstream if possible)
against gnome-shell
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I found an open bug on this issue on Gnome Bugzilla.
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=765003
I added my observations and a link to the videos.
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