I see the claim of GNOME 3 being targeted at mobile or touchscreen devices again and
again, yet doesn't become more true.
What GNOME 3 did try to do was to look at various mobile and touchscreen devices and try
to think if there where innovations
in that space that should get translated back to the desktop. In terms of input devices
the primary usecase for the GNOME 3
desktop was to make it easier to use the desktop with minimal need of the mouse, letting
you keep your hands on the keyboard.
Which I think it has succeeded with, the combination of the 'windows' key and just
typing the first few letters of the app you are
looking for in the activities overview works like a charm for example.
Improving touch screen support is a goal for both GNOME and Fedora, simply because laptops
are heading that way and if we offer something
that doesn't even try to use the touchscreen where it makes sense, users will go
elsewhere. Currently if there is a conflict with something
being touchscreen optimal or desktop optimal, desktop has won. Parts of the GNOME 3 UI can
for sure be nice with
a touchscreen, but for instance the top bar (i.e. activities menu) of the desktop is to
small to be optimal for touchscreens (as one example of where the focus was on
preserving real estate for desktop applications as opposed to making it easier for people
to 'click' using potentially quite chubby fingers on the screen.
Christian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex GS" <alxgrtnstrngl(a)gmail.com>
To: desktop(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
Sent: Sunday, February 2, 2014 8:38:02 PM
Subject: Re: Underlying DE for the Workstation product
If you look at desktop market share numbers the vast majority of desktop
users are using traditional desktops. Just look a the Valve Hardware &
Software survey. This is a useful tool for gauging the #1 Student/Gamer
user-base.
If we add up the numbers:
Windows 7 + Windows XP/Vista + Mac OS = 78% --- traditional desktops
Windows 8 = 20% --- "mobile oriented" desktops
Linuix = 2% --- mixed
link:
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey
The same is true if we look at Wikipedia's "Usage share of operating
systems"
page using Net Application's statistics:
Windows 7 + Windows XP/Vista + Mac OS = 87.7% --- traditional desktops
Windows 8 = 10.58% --- "mobile oriented" desktops
Linux = 1.6% --- mixed desktops
link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems
Abandoning Gnome 2 was a fatal error on the part of several high profile
distributions such as Ubuntu and Fedora. They abandoned Gnome 2 to chase
mobile oriented ambitions when in reality the vast majority of Windows and
Mac users were still using traditional desktops. This limited the growth of
the Linux desktop as a platform and caused unnecessary confusion and chaos
in the Linux community. Current Linux desktops that are achieving success
such as Google's Chrome OS are still using traditional desktop design
patterns.
So that leads to certain questions for the Fedora Workstation WG as to what
the scope of their project is. Does the Fedora Workstation WG intend on
expanding their user-base beyond:
1. Fedora/Gnome developers and current Fedora users?
2. Linux developers and/or users?
3. Mac and Windows developers and mainstream users?
If the answer is:
#1 "We only intend on targeting Gnome and Fedora developers" then make the
default Gnome Shell and ignore Fedora.next and continue the methods and
policies of Fedora Desktop and the spins as if nothing has changed.
#2 "We would like to consolidate the Linux desktop space" make the default
MATE with Gnome Shell and KDE as optional extras at the installation screen.
#3 "We would like to market Fedora Workstation outside of the Linux community
to Mac and Windows developers" make the default MATE with Gnome Shell and
KDE as optional extras at the installation screen.
What would it take to get MATE up to current standards to be acceptable as a
default for Fedora Workstation?
+ Have the Gnome project developers provide support resources to the MATE
developers to accelerate their transition to GTK3 as well as act as
consultants.
+ Perhaps even offer to make MATE part of the Gnome foundation as a legacy
Gnome 2 fork and provide additional support resources?
+ Configure a MATE desktop that is Fedora branded that uses default Gnome
applications currently used in Gnome Shell such as Files and make sure it
integrates with MATE.
+ Bundle MATE with a lightweight compositor such as Compton or integrate
Mutter as a MATE compositing window manager.
+ Replace the default menu in MATE with 'mintmenu' a plugin that replicates
the Windows 7 start menu functionality and add additional plugins where
necessary.
You see it's not that much work at all and well within the scope of something
achievable by a distribution with sufficient resources like Fedora and/or
provided by Red Hat. It all depends on whether the WG is serious about
consolidating the Linux desktop, expanding to Mac/Windows developers and
achieving the goals set out in the PRD.
I'm beginning to take a cynical view of the whole Fedora Workstation WG
process, I don't anything will change and Fedora Desktop will continue to
decline in relevance, but please prove me wrong.
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