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On Fri, Feb 02, 2018 at 05:42:20AM -0500, Bastien Nocera wrote:
> > > If you know of branding uses that aren't in this list:
> > >
https://wiki.gnome.org/Design/OS/DownstreamBranding
> > > please add them there.
> > I see three possible recommend states, but none of the items in the
> > list have such a flag set.
> None of them have been reviewed yet, because no designer wants to touch
> the subject. The content of this thread is why.
This says to me "no GNOME designer is invested in Fedora success".
A number of the "GNOME designers" are Red Hat employees, also working
on Fedora. They read this mailing-list, they won't want to touch this
subject, and I can understand why.
(Additionally, the sole entry under "Related Links" on that
page loudly
signals that engagement is unlikely to be productive.) That's fine.
It's not their job. That's why I bring this up here, rather than
focusing on the upstream page.
> But the discussion isn't about whether to replace GNOME branding by Fedora
> branding, but how to use different kinds of branding to reach the goals we
> set out (which we didn't explicitly yet, and that might be part of the
> problem).
The high level goal is: It is important to increase Fedora brand reach
and recognition.
This is good, can you expand more about the goals?
A strong visual identity is an important part of this.
This is already getting into finding solutions when the problem(s) and goal(s)
hasn't been properly laid down.
A goal could be:
- A Fedora user should be able to differentiate Fedora Workstation from a
Debian GNOME installation looking at normal desktop use.
- A Fedora user should be able to differentiate Fedora Workstation from an
Arch GNOME installation looking at screenshots of terminal usage.
- A Fedora developer (not a Fedora-using developer) should be able to
differentiate Fedora Workstation from an OpenSUSE installation looking
at a locked screen.
(With different combinations of who is looking at what, trying to differentiate
it from what)
A non-goal could be:
- I should be able to differentiate Fedora Workstation and an updated RHEL
installation.
- I should be able to differentiate different versions of Fedora from each other
There are several things which follow from that, but that's all
there
is to the basic request.
We're not going to be able to move forward without more details on those goals,
so I hope you can find the time to articulate them further.
Cheers