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Hi Bastien,
You seem to be coming at this discussion with the positive attitude of Donald
Trump :)
I find that highly offensive, smiley or not.
I don't think Matthew, myself or anyone else is especially tied
to specific
branding items
that we currently have, what everyone cares about is the overall branding and
how it plays into our marketing of Fedora to new users. So instead of
grumpily shouting 'ok, so
lets just remove that then' try to listen and understand where people are
coming from and
then lets find an overall approach here that actually solves our needs. And
maybe very
little of the current branding survives such a setup, but lets look at the
overall picture
instead of doing what we have ended up doing the last 4 years, which is go
into the trenches
and then end up adding random branding to try to avoid thinking about the
actual goals of
the request.
Which is exactly what I'm doing. Neither GNOME upstream, nor GNOME designers
and developers in Fedora were given the opportunity to make holistic design
decisions with regards to branding.
And I don't like that "grumpy" label either. I care about what the products
I work on look and act, and I'm disconcerted, and bemused when non-GNOME
Fedora participants act as if we don't have a foot in both teams.
And the good thing here is that a lot of the upstream GNOME designers
are
working for Red Hat,
so I am sure that as part of their job they will be able to find acceptable
solutions for
both sides.
Which is what I'm currently working on with them.
Switch to upstream theme for Plymouth:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1392836
Spinner theme update:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98640
Details panel changes:
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=770593
and
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=695691
Hostname changes as branding:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1392924 (avahi)
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1392925 (systemd for hostnamed)
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1392926 (anaconda)
We still have to work on the presentation mode, which would be a much better
way to advertise Fedora during presentations (!), and discuss what to do with
those other cases of downstream branding.