Potentially for getting the word out that Fedora is actively used by people from all walks of life, we could ask for users' stories on how/why they came across Fedora and how/why they use it. The (better) stories could be published in a random loop on fedoraproject.org (of course, after review) as testimonials.
The exciting part would be asking contributors (most notably ambassadors) the same questions.
The idea is still shaky in my mind but I'd thought I'd post it to see what everyone else thought. -- ian
Sounds great!!!
I have introduced Fedora to several individuals and most of them revert back to me to give their praise for Fedora and the community.
It would be great to display user's stories on fedoraproject.org which will definitely motivate new users to get heads-up with Fedora.
Ambassadors/Contributors can post their testimonials as to how well Fedora was accepted by a new user.
-Naresh
On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 6:49 AM, Ian Weller ianweller@gmail.com wrote:
Potentially for getting the word out that Fedora is actively used by people from all walks of life, we could ask for users' stories on how/why they came across Fedora and how/why they use it. The (better) stories could be published in a random loop on fedoraproject.org (of course, after review) as testimonials.
The exciting part would be asking contributors (most notably ambassadors) the same questions.
The idea is still shaky in my mind but I'd thought I'd post it to see what everyone else thought. -- ian
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Hi Ian, Everyone loves story. Its an excellent idea to grow interest about fedora among new users by these stories. I think its a good policy to spread the word "Fedora" in this way. But you have not mentioned the way or method by which Ambassadors and experience user can submit their stories.
Cheers Gopal Das
On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 6:49 AM, Ian Weller ianweller@gmail.com wrote:
Potentially for getting the word out that Fedora is actively used by people from all walks of life, we could ask for users' stories on how/why they came across Fedora and how/why they use it. The (better) stories could be published in a random loop on fedoraproject.org (of course, after review) as testimonials.
The exciting part would be asking contributors (most notably ambassadors) the same questions.
The idea is still shaky in my mind but I'd thought I'd post it to see what everyone else thought. -- ian
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On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:20:16 +0530, "gopal das" mr.gopal.das@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Ian, Everyone loves story. Its an excellent idea to grow interest about fedora among new users by these stories. I think its a good policy to spread the word "Fedora" in this way. But you have not mentioned the way or method by which Ambassadors and experience user can submit their stories.
+1 :)
I think it's a superb idea, if you want to give some thought to how it might work in practice and run with it a bit, I'll be glad to give you all the support I can...
Best wishes,
Jon
Le samedi 22 mars 2008 à 08:05 -0600, Jonathan Roberts a écrit :
On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:20:16 +0530, "gopal das" mr.gopal.das@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Ian, Everyone loves story. Its an excellent idea to grow interest about fedora among new users by these stories. I think its a good policy to spread the word "Fedora" in this way. But you have not mentioned the way or method by which Ambassadors and experience user can submit their stories.
+1 :)
I think it's a superb idea, if you want to give some thought to how it might work in practice and run with it a bit, I'll be glad to give you all the support I can...
Best wishes,
Jon
Hi, I reckon this idea is great, it might help people who tend to think there are only problems on linux. Anyway, if you need any support, just name it, I'd be glad to help too.
Matt
On Sat, 22 Mar 2008, gopal das wrote:
Hi Ian, Everyone loves story. Its an excellent idea to grow interest about fedora among new users by these stories. I think its a good policy to spread the word "Fedora" in this way. But you have not mentioned the way or method by which Ambassadors and experience user can submit their stories.
Well, based on all the other great support, I think I'm gonna go ahead with this idea. It was half baked at the time, and I think I'm gonna get it out more...
I've brainstormed some names and I've written my thoughts under 'em. Let me know what you guys think.
- Fedora Stories of course, sometimes the word 'story' means fictional story to some - Fedora showAndTell! or any other crazy capitalization/punctuation marks. SHOWandTELL?! ;) - Your Fedora
and so on. I'm thinking it would be a good idea to get a subdomain off fedoraproject.org with our name -- i.e., stories.fedoraproject.org, showandtell.fedoraproject.org...
Unless we don't need that. It might be possible just to live with a wiki page with instructions on submitting your story, and maybe a web form with licensing instructions. Messages could be approved by a team of people every now and then, and some good quotes put in a queue for the front page.
To answer gopal's question on how one would submit their story, either a web form or an email address would work. I'd think a web form might be better, because redhat legal might want all of them licensed in a certain way for us to be able to use them.
Anywho, still baking this idea, and I'd love your input. I'm going to talk with Infrastructure to see if they're willing to make a subdomain.
Thanks for all the support! Lemee know what you think -- ian
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Hey,
Well, based on all the other great support, I think I'm gonna go ahead with this idea. It was half baked at the time, and I think I'm gonna get it out more...
Great :)
I've brainstormed some names and I've written my thoughts under 'em. Let me know what you guys think.
- Fedora Stories of course, sometimes the word 'story' means fictional story to some
This sounds good to me...
and so on. I'm thinking it would be a good idea to get a subdomain off fedoraproject.org with our name -- i.e., stories.fedoraproject.org, showandtell.fedoraproject.org...
I'm not sure this is necessary as it's maybe more of a project to come under an existing one. From the top of my head, FWN might be interested, or we could maybe work it in the same way that we're doing the interviews.
The advantage of going either of these two routes is that we've got experience with it and an existing audience.
To answer gopal's question on how one would submit their story, either a web form or an email address would work. I'd think a web form might be better, because redhat legal might want all of them licensed in a certain way for us to be able to use them.
To my mind, this is the most important question, and maybe you'd like to think about these things:
* How are you going to find people who have a story to tell? * How are they going to submit the story? * What format will they be presented in? * How will you let people know they exist?
Just my thoughts on the matter, might be that others disagree entirely with me, but I at least think this is a great starting point :)
Jon
On Sat, 22 Mar 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote:
To my mind, this is the most important question, and maybe you'd like to think about these things:
- How are you going to find people who have a story to tell?
This is one that I'm wondering about. All I can think of is maybe a link on the home page, a link in the topic of #fedora, and a link from the main page on the wiki...
- How are they going to submit the story?
Through a web form would probably be smartest, but they could probably also submit it through email.
- What format will they be presented in?
I'm thinking the most interesting ones could have quotes pulled from them and rotated on the home page, linking to the full story. An "all stories" link would also be necessary.
- How will you let people know they exist?
Having quotes pulled to the home page (fedoraproject.org home page) would make them prominent enough.
-- ian
On Sat, 2008-03-22 at 11:07 -0600, Jonathan Roberts wrote:
Ian Weller ianweller@gmail.com wrote:
Well, based on all the other great support, I think I'm gonna go ahead with this idea. It was half baked at the time, and I think I'm gonna get it out more...
Great :)
+1 to this idea overall. For practical purposes, I work in Red Hat on a marketing team (brand, communications, design), who have a similar mission to tell the Fedora story. I'll make sure to have time in my schedule to help this start and grow.
I've brainstormed some names and I've written my thoughts under 'em. Let me know what you guys think.
- Fedora Stories of course, sometimes the word 'story' means fictional story to some
This sounds good to me...
Straightforward is great, especially for this case. If the fiction sounds wrong, we could play off the old serial magazines of the 1950s: "Fedora True Stories."
Designers -- salivating yet?
and so on. I'm thinking it would be a good idea to get a subdomain off fedoraproject.org with our name -- i.e., stories.fedoraproject.org, showandtell.fedoraproject.org...
I'm not sure this is necessary as it's maybe more of a project to come under an existing one. From the top of my head, FWN might be interested, or we could maybe work it in the same way that we're doing the interviews.
The advantage of going either of these two routes is that we've got experience with it and an existing audience.
+1
To take this further, I'm going to dangerously delve into process and technical solutions with a little workflow, to explain why I think using news.fp.org is a good idea.
1. Web form takes in stories; +1 to this as a way to get the individual contribution (story) under a CLA and appropriate license. Conceivably, we could ask people to choose from amongst several license choices.
2. The 'story editorial board' receives the results of this web form and decides which stories to tell. Presuming the original license allows derivative works, we can edit for clarity, word smith, etc. Another option is to have an iterative round with the original author to get all changes approved. In all this, try not to erase the individual style/voice.[1]
3. We publish stories directly to news.fp.o via the blog mechanism. Why is a blog engine our best tool? This is aside from Jon's notes that using existing story channels gives us instant audience. a. Instant RSS feed with categories b. Simple publishing - team-viewable drafting, on screen review, fast updates, works well for a small editorial/writing team c. News outlets traditionally tell human interest stories, so this easily fits under the FWN banner d. News == truth, making it unnecessary to label our stories as non-fiction e. Linking across to other blogs is easy with tracebacks f. Gives another reason to visit news.fp.o other than once-a-week
4. If we have a special location on e.g. fedoraproject.org to highlight a story, we do it as an RSS feed of a specific category we use in the blog engine. Then an editor only has to tag a story with this category, and it automatically appears in the queue. That queue can rotate serially, or rotate the latest five choices, or so forth. AIUI, the RSS feed code is ready, we might need to do some small tweaks for this use.
5. Red Hat Magazine will surely want to pick up some of these stories. The blog engine helps this. Especially having the CLA and ability to republish from an original license. There might be another rewrite or reformatting at that time, because a different group of editors are involved. Once this relationship is started, we'll all find this very beneficial.
To answer gopal's question on how one would submit their story, either a web form or an email address would work. I'd think a web form might be better, because redhat legal might want all of them licensed in a certain way for us to be able to use them.
To my mind, this is the most important question, and maybe you'd like to think about these things:
- How are you going to find people who have a story to tell?
- How are they going to submit the story?
- What format will they be presented in?
- How will you let people know they exist?
Just my thoughts on the matter, might be that others disagree entirely with me, but I at least think this is a great starting point :)
Jon, you have hit upon the most important part of this. We can have the technical materials up in a few days, with all the process we need empowering a team (three, four of us already.) But from there, we need other word-spreaders. We need to get people to submit stories to us they have read from other places; we may need to do some posts as a rewrite of the story around another post that we link to v. publishing it as fresh. If we're motivated, some folks could crawl e.g. fedoraforum.org and look for what might be an interesting story, then post the URL to tell the story. Hopefully we'll get an army of people passing the URL to the web form. :)
Think of how it will be once we get the flow working:
As seen on #fedora from quaid's Crystal Ball o' De Futah:
someKid [foo] has joined #fedora < EvilBob> Hey, someKid, how did that university computer lab install go? < someKid> EvilBob: Man, it was wicked easy. It took me an hour to write up the three .ks files and other parts Cobbler needed, mounted an Everything install image on my install server, and now we are re-installing three times daily for each different class's needs. < EvilBob> someKid: That's a great story. Maybe you want to tell others about it? http://fedoraproject.org/tell-my-story someKid goes to look < someKid>: Cool, that was quick. I'd love everyone to hear how easy it is to run Fedora for programming classes ...
(Thanks to Bob Jensen for unwittingly starring in this fictional IRC chat.)
- Karsten
[1] There is a series of adverts running in the States for an insurance company, where they get a real person to tell a real story. To support that person in their story telling, a famous person is along to help interpret. For example, in one the woman is telling about how easy it was to get an insurance payment after her cars were wrecked in a storm; the celebrity with her was the person who does a huge % of the movie adverts voiceovers, and his voiceover for her went like, "Payback - this time, it's for real."
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZJMGS7l0wT8
And now to make this email even longer. ;)
On Sun, 23 Mar 2008, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote:
On Sat, 2008-03-22 at 11:07 -0600, Jonathan Roberts wrote:
Ian Weller ianweller@gmail.com wrote:
Well, based on all the other great support, I think I'm gonna go ahead with this idea. It was half baked at the time, and I think I'm gonna get it out more...
Great :)
+1 to this idea overall. For practical purposes, I work in Red Hat on a marketing team (brand, communications, design), who have a similar mission to tell the Fedora story. I'll make sure to have time in my schedule to help this start and grow.
Cool!
and so on. I'm thinking it would be a good idea to get a subdomain off fedoraproject.org with our name -- i.e., stories.fedoraproject.org, showandtell.fedoraproject.org...
I'm not sure this is necessary as it's maybe more of a project to come under an existing one. From the top of my head, FWN might be interested, or we could maybe work it in the same way that we're doing the interviews.
The advantage of going either of these two routes is that we've got experience with it and an existing audience.
+1
To take this further, I'm going to dangerously delve into process and technical solutions with a little workflow, to explain why I think using news.fp.org is a good idea.
- Web form takes in stories; +1 to this as a way to get the individual
contribution (story) under a CLA and appropriate license. Conceivably, we could ask people to choose from amongst several license choices.
I was just thinking one license to keep it simple and not scare people away. I've seen where license picking, if *necessary*, has sorta confused people. CC-BY-SA should work just fine IMHO, or Legal could pick a license.
- The 'story editorial board' receives the results of this web form and
decides which stories to tell. Presuming the original license allows derivative works, we can edit for clarity, word smith, etc. Another option is to have an iterative round with the original author to get all changes approved. In all this, try not to erase the individual style/voice.[1]
Once again on the pull quote thing... I think it's really important we pull the strongest quote from each story and put it in a rotator on the fp.o front page.
- We publish stories directly to news.fp.o via the blog mechanism. Why
is a blog engine our best tool? This is aside from Jon's notes that using existing story channels gives us instant audience. a. Instant RSS feed with categories b. Simple publishing - team-viewable drafting, on screen review, fast updates, works well for a small editorial/writing team c. News outlets traditionally tell human interest stories, so this easily fits under the FWN banner d. News == truth, making it unnecessary to label our stories as non-fiction e. Linking across to other blogs is easy with tracebacks f. Gives another reason to visit news.fp.o other than once-a-week
+1
- If we have a special location on e.g. fedoraproject.org to highlight
a story, we do it as an RSS feed of a specific category we use in the blog engine. Then an editor only has to tag a story with this category, and it automatically appears in the queue. That queue can rotate serially, or rotate the latest five choices, or so forth. AIUI, the RSS feed code is ready, we might need to do some small tweaks for this use.
+1
- Red Hat Magazine will surely want to pick up some of these stories.
The blog engine helps this. Especially having the CLA and ability to republish from an original license. There might be another rewrite or reformatting at that time, because a different group of editors are involved. Once this relationship is started, we'll all find this very beneficial.
To answer gopal's question on how one would submit their story, either a web form or an email address would work. I'd think a web form might be better, because redhat legal might want all of them licensed in a certain way for us to be able to use them.
To my mind, this is the most important question, and maybe you'd like to think about these things:
- How are you going to find people who have a story to tell?
- How are they going to submit the story?
- What format will they be presented in?
- How will you let people know they exist?
Just my thoughts on the matter, might be that others disagree entirely with me, but I at least think this is a great starting point :)
Jon, you have hit upon the most important part of this. We can have the technical materials up in a few days, with all the process we need empowering a team (three, four of us already.) But from there, we need other word-spreaders. We need to get people to submit stories to us they have read from other places; we may need to do some posts as a rewrite of the story around another post that we link to v. publishing it as fresh. If we're motivated, some folks could crawl e.g. fedoraforum.org and look for what might be an interesting story, then post the URL to tell the story. Hopefully we'll get an army of people passing the URL to the web form. :)
If we could get whoever runs fedoraforum.org to put a link in their header, that would be neat.
Think of how it will be once we get the flow working:
As seen on #fedora from quaid's Crystal Ball o' De Futah: someKid [foo] has joined #fedora < EvilBob> Hey, someKid, how did that university computer lab install go? < someKid> EvilBob: Man, it was wicked easy. It took me an hour to write up the three .ks files and other parts Cobbler needed, mounted an Everything install image on my install server, and now we are re-installing three times daily for each different class's needs. < EvilBob> someKid: That's a great story. Maybe you want to tell others about it? http://fedoraproject.org/tell-my-story someKid goes to look < someKid>: Cool, that was quick. I'd love everyone to hear how easy it is to run Fedora for programming classes ...
(Thanks to Bob Jensen for unwittingly starring in this fictional IRC chat.)
+1 ;)
- Karsten
[1] There is a series of adverts running in the States for an insurance company, where they get a real person to tell a real story. To support that person in their story telling, a famous person is along to help interpret. For example, in one the woman is telling about how easy it was to get an insurance payment after her cars were wrecked in a storm; the celebrity with her was the person who does a huge % of the movie adverts voiceovers, and his voiceover for her went like, "Payback - this time, it's for real."
Ha, I love these.... good example.
On Sun, 2008-03-23 at 11:16 -0500, Ian Weller wrote:
Once again on the pull quote thing... I think it's really important we pull the strongest quote from each story and put it in a rotator on the fp.o front page.
I missed this in the thread, that's an elegant idea.
- Karsten
Ian Weller wrote:
Potentially for getting the word out that Fedora is actively used by people from all walks of life, we could ask for users' stories on how/why they came across Fedora and how/why they use it. The (better) stories could be published in a random loop on fedoraproject.org (of course, after review) as testimonials.
The exciting part would be asking contributors (most notably ambassadors) the same questions.
The idea is still shaky in my mind but I'd thought I'd post it to see what everyone else thought. -- ian
I think this is an awesome idea. I think if possible we should ask for photos of the people submitting stories if their story is selected. It will make the website more personable. It's always more inviting to see a website with smiling people right? :)
~m
On Mon, 24 Mar 2008, Máirín Duffy wrote:
Ian Weller wrote:
Potentially for getting the word out that Fedora is actively used by people from all walks of life, we could ask for users' stories on how/why they came across Fedora and how/why they use it. The (better) stories could be published in a random loop on fedoraproject.org (of course, after review) as testimonials.
The exciting part would be asking contributors (most notably ambassadors) the same questions.
The idea is still shaky in my mind but I'd thought I'd post it to see what everyone else thought. -- ian
I think this is an awesome idea. I think if possible we should ask for photos of the people submitting stories if their story is selected. It will make the website more personable. It's always more inviting to see a website with smiling people right? :)
+1 -- ian
Máirín Duffy wrote:
Ian Weller wrote:
Potentially for getting the word out that Fedora is actively used by people from all walks of life, we could ask for users' stories on how/why they came across Fedora and how/why they use it. The (better) stories could be published in a random loop on fedoraproject.org (of course, after review) as testimonials.
The exciting part would be asking contributors (most notably ambassadors) the same questions.
The idea is still shaky in my mind but I'd thought I'd post it to see what everyone else thought. -- ian
I think this is an awesome idea. I think if possible we should ask for photos of the people submitting stories if their story is selected. It will make the website more personable. It's always more inviting to see a website with smiling people right? :)
~m
Are we going to have real people take real photos of real fedora users smiling? or should we just find ourselves some stock photos? :P
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| Are we going to have real people take real photos of real fedora users | smiling? or should we just find ourselves some stock photos? :P
real people, real stories and real photographers as well :) when does one begin ? the one piece that comes to mind is http://youtube.com/watch?v=zQaYKcg0WAE thanks to kushal
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Michael Beckwith wrote:
Máirín Duffy wrote:
Ian Weller wrote:
Potentially for getting the word out that Fedora is actively used by people from all walks of life, we could ask for users' stories on how/why they came across Fedora and how/why they use it. The (better) stories could be published in a random loop on fedoraproject.org (of course, after review) as testimonials.
The exciting part would be asking contributors (most notably ambassadors) the same questions.
The idea is still shaky in my mind but I'd thought I'd post it to see what everyone else thought. -- ian
I think this is an awesome idea. I think if possible we should ask for photos of the people submitting stories if their story is selected. It will make the website more personable. It's always more inviting to see a website with smiling people right? :)
Are we going to have real people take real photos of real fedora users smiling? or should we just find ourselves some stock photos? :P
I was thinking of asking for the submitter's actual photos. Stock photos are... well, stock. And Fedora is not. :)
~m
On Wed, 26 Mar 2008, Máirín Duffy wrote:
Michael Beckwith wrote:
Máirín Duffy wrote:
I think this is an awesome idea. I think if possible we should ask for photos of the people submitting stories if their story is selected. It will make the website more personable. It's always more inviting to see a website with smiling people right? :)
Are we going to have real people take real photos of real fedora users smiling? or should we just find ourselves some stock photos? :P
I was thinking of asking for the submitter's actual photos. Stock photos are... well, stock. And Fedora is not. :)
+1000 ;) -- ian
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