Re: rotating banners, first idea
by chasd
> Here's some mockups, I'm not really happy with any of them right
> now but
> I need to sleep :)
Yes, seeing the banners in context makes a difference.
My comments below are meant to be constructive, excuse me if they
appear harsh.
> - http://linuxgrrl.com/misc/new-mock-1.png (bottom of sidebar)
> - feels a little unbalanced but not too bad
I actually like this layout the best of the three. I think the reason
it seems unbalanced is because of the large white area to the right
of the logo and above the title graphic ( I won't call it a banner to
avoid confusion ).
All layouts need "breathing space" however that top area is prime
visual real estate. I think adding a tag line to that area would
benefit the layout ( of all the pages, even if no banner is used ).
> - http://linuxgrrl.com/misc/new-mock-2.png (along top of page)
> - im afraid this is going to be too busy unless the banners are
> carefully designed to not stand out in comparison to the main banner.
I think the banner is too close to the title graphic, they compete
visually.
If the separation line between the top part of the page with the logo
and the banners could be a little stronger, that might help. I feel
the first mock up to be a stronger possibility.
> right now they are not :) thus they are too busy.
> - http://linuxgrrl.com/misc/new-mock-3.png (top of sidebar)
> - a little more balanced than the other but the banners don't
> line up
Again, I think the banner and the title graphic compete too much, and
the white space between them seems uncomfortable. This also makes the
navigation less important ( farther down the page ).
I took the liberty of moving the headline above the title graphic to
demonstrate what adding _something_ to the blank area at the top
could do to balance the layout for mock up number one. I placed it on
the website of the company I work for -
<http://www.silveroaks.com/images/new-mock-4cd.png>
In that mock up, I would like to see the "What's new in Fedora . . .
" link to be bigger and maybe have the type be heavier in weight, but
for the purposes of this demonstration I thought this was sufficient.
I also am not enamored with that specific tag line for the top right
area, I simply used something that already existed in the layout and
threw it up there. I also think the color of that tag line ( grey )
is not the best solution, or even the size of the type. The baseline
of the tag line is aligned with the baseline of "infinity | freedom |
voice" however it seems a bit low. When I placed it higher, it seemed
too "floaty" for me.
One other possibility is to fade the bottom of the title graphic to
white. Since the separation between the logo and the rest of the page
is a subtle fade, adding this touch to the title graphic may add some
consistency, This would also differentiate the banner from the title
graphic.
Apologies if my comments are out of line, or if I have violated some
rule established for the design of the web site.
Charles Dostale
16 years, 10 months
3rd party repositories vs the floppy disk
by Jonas Karlsson
Hello all,
This is my first post to this list, hopefully some of you can agree to
what I'm writing.
I've been an Unix user since early 90's and did test Linux for the first
time in 1993. I've also been running fedora since core 1 and has been a
frequent user of radhat distributions over the years. Not that I've
never used other distributions, well I have and most of you guys have.
Back in the early Linux years it was debian on firewalls and slackware
for coding and redhat for the graphical stuff, well that have since
changed. Today I feel happy just running Fedora and release 7 for the
moment. But one thing that has always nagged at me is why do the Linux
community often have a hard time at working toghether. This is probably
the one thing that still makes Linux not go all the way in many offices,
because of 3rd party problematics.
I (after all my years) still do have big troubble selecting a 3rd party
repository every time a new version of fedora comes around. Do I use
this or that with this version of fedora, which works best.. and help me
upstairs.. you have to choose because they are not campatible and might
break your system and kill all of your dependencies, shit!..
Does this sound familiar? No? .. YES!!!
This is year 2007 and the problematics above describes scenarios that
should have been gone many years ago.. It's like the floppy disk. That
sucker still remains in pc systems even today. If you need to install
(dont speak #¤%#¤ in the church!, well I'm a scientist so I guess I
can.) Windows with advanced scsi options, your driver is on a floppy..
Darn, well luckily for me I do try not to use MS$ server as often as
possible so that problem is soon past me.
Ok back on track (3rd party repositories) It's way over time to have
guys like livna, freshrpms, rpmforge and atrpms etc start a collective,
collaborative and functional repository (for the greater good). There
are many guys doing the same work that the other one already has done,
and some times one repository does not work, the next time it's the
other way around. Just start one big community 3rd party repository,
define rules, let everyone contribute and mirror it.
Now that we finally are past Core and Extras and it is merged into one.
The next step shold be to clean up the above described mess that is
doing harm to the Fedora users and the general community by creating
confusion and eventually breaks your installation. So please guys keep
up the good work, but do it together!
// Jonas
16 years, 10 months
LinuxMall
by Rodrigo Padula
Hello Guys!
Here in Brazil we have a Linux Mall
http://www.linuxmall.com.br/
This site sell fedora itens like T-shirts, Caps, Pens and others, but, this
site dont contribute with the community and i think, dont has permission to
sell fedora itens
Fedora is a trademark of red hat, so the site would need the Red hat
autorization ?
I'm right ?
Rodrigo Padula
http://www.projetofedora.org
16 years, 10 months
Fedora Project - Response to GITEX Questiionnaire
by John Babich
Mr. Samer:
Here is the Fedora Project's response to your questionnaire concerning
our organization.
I am the primary contact for the Fedora Project for this event. Please
direct any future correspondence to me and I will be happy to handle
any of your requests in preparation for GITEX.
Best Regards,
John Babich
Volunteer, Fedora Project
1. What does your company do?
The Fedora Project (www.fedoraproject.org) is a collection of projects
sponsored by Red Hat (www.redhat.com) and developed as a partnership
between the open source community and Red Hat engineers. The goal of
Fedora is the rapid progress of free and open source software (FOSS)
and content. Public forums. Open processes. Rapid innovation.
Meritocracy and transparency. All in pursuit of the best operating
system and platform that free software
(http://www.fsf.org/licensing/essays/free-sw.html) can provide.
2. What are your company's key product lines and services?
Our key product is the Fedora Linux distribution. It comes out twice a
year or so. It's completely free, and we're committed to keeping it
that way. It's the best combination of robust and latest software that
exists in the Free software world.
Our mindset is Doing the Right Thing. To us, that means providing Free
and open source software, at no cost, freely usable, modifiable,
redistributable, and unencumbered by software patents.
3. Why is your company appearing at GITEX Technology Week?
The Fedora Project is part of the free and open source (FOSS)
movement, which is currently revolutionizing the way companies, large
and small, do business using cutting-edge information technology. We
want to encourage the use of FOSS products and approaches among the
business community in the Middle East.
4. What products or services will your company be promoting at the show?
The Fedora 7 Linux distribution is our primary "product". A
full-featured operating system and suite of applications, Fedora 7 is
also the basis for the award-winning Red Hat Enterprise Linux, the One
Laptop Per Child OS, and various other Linux-based systems. Our
"services" are enabling businesses to apply Linux and other open
source products, like Firefox web browser or OpenOffice.org office
suite, to solve their IT challenges, by developing and distributing a
world-class operating system and collection of Free software.
5. What does your company hope to achieve by appearing at GITEX Technology Week?
The Fedora Project hopes to promote the further adoption of Free and
Open Source technologies in the enterprise business community in the
Middle East.
6. How important is GITEX Technology Week to your company's success in
the Middle East?
GITEX Technology Week is important to us because it gives us the
opportunity to meet a very significant cross-section of businesses in
the Middle East region.
7. How does your company feel about the Middle East market and the
opportunities it presents?
The Fedora Project recognizes the tremendous growth of information and
communications technologies (ICT) in the region. Free and open source
software allow companies to optimize their IT expenditures and invest
their budgets wisely. We also have a strong team focussed on
internationalization (I18N) and localization (L10N) efforts to meet
the needs of end users in this region.
8. What are your 3 strategic business objectives within the Arabian
market for 2007?
1. To promote the adoption of Free, open source software and content
in the Middle East region.
2. To promote greater awareness of all the options for implementing
business solutions.
3. To encourage regional participation in the development of free and
open source solutions.
16 years, 10 months
Linux.org: The Feodra 7 Year Itch
by Bryan Smith
After 4 years, I've gotta say it. I understand there are some legal issues or tardemark concerns showing the lineage of Red Hat Linux to Fedora Core. Plus there are also marketing aspects on Fedora v. Enterprise. But the general ignorance of those who have never followed the Red Hat / Fedora development line, or left after Red Hat Linux 9, constantly want proof and debate me.
We *NEED* Red Hat, or at least via Fedora, to put up a page - linked on the front page - that covers both the 2-2-2 month Rawhide/Development-Beta/Test-Release cycle, followed by the 6-6/6-6-6/6-6-6-6 month release cycler of community to enterprise release (every 2-4 community releases). This would include the full plot going back to Red Hat Linux 4.0, as well as the first Red Hat Linux 6.2E (retroactively called "Enterprise 1"), and how that *PROVEN* lifecycle of package, integration and post-release test has held up. Especially with the regular cycle of community
I'm tired of having virtually *NO* pages but my own to refer to on this, to the point I've been writing a book on Enterprise Configuration Management: Fedora/Red Hat Linux (of which I've had not time to complete in the last 18 months worth of 60+ hour/weeks of consultant, not including travel and other time). I used to maintain an unofficial FAQ on this, and I should probably re-blog an update of it.
Fedora Core is not more "Beta" than Red Hat Linux was before it. And until Red Hat clarifies that - Enterprise Linux marketing be damned - those who want to demonize it that way will continue, with nothing professionals like myself can point to - other than our own publications or blog articles on the matter.
--
Bryan J Smith - mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org
http://thebs413.blogspot.com
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
16 years, 10 months
Re: Infinite Freedom??? -- More Insignificant Wisdom ...
by Bryan Smith
Now that I'm away from my Crackberry ...
More Insignificant Wisdom ...
On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 13:34 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote:
> An absolutely reasonable suggestion. As a matter of fact, the Board
> considered that initially, but opted not to separate this content over
> concerns of simply not identifying any significant justification/payoff
> (and not having the time to implement in time for F7 either).
First off, by "suggestion," I merely meant, "okay, if this is what is to
happen, here's one way it should happen." Not that I necessarily agree.
Secondly, why doesn't this not surprise me that the Board already
considered it? Everytime I make a suggestion, as a counter "due
process" to what I consider to be -- oh, how can I put this, an
"inconsiderate demand" -- it seems the Fedora Project already thought of
it. Wow!
Now does that mean I understand things, Fedora, etc...???
Is it that maybe my "screwed up" values are similar???
Hmmm, I won't think too long on that.
Or maybe, just maybe, the Fedora Board is "Being Bryan Smith." ;)
Oh yeah, no ego there (BTW, that's trademarked! Royalties bay-bee!)
On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 01:29 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Removing firmware outside of the kernel is easy. Removing kernel in the
> firmware is going to be difficult but you or whoever wants to drive such
> a effort can probably get in touch with gNewSense folks to coordinate
> the effort. If there is a real need for it someone should step up to it.
> Let's see if that happens.
At what point does this really cross into the kernel space? Or even
beyond that, at what point does this cross into someone stepping forward
-- outside of Fedora (even if they work on Fedora, for Red Hat, etc...)?
A generic facility for user-space loading, update, initrd, etc... would
be a nice facility, although I'm not sure it would be entirely feasible.
But it would and could, possibly, address some issues.
But one thing is for sure, I don't see this being an endeavor for Fedora
at all -- at least not a consideration for the distribution. It's
really a larger detail to be tackled outside of distribution tools
themselves -- especially at the kernel level.
Unfortunately, the "screaming experts" tend to cause this stuff to be
non-PC, regardless of the legal and GPL compatible bundling or other
details it may be. Not sure I want to touch this any further.
On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 01:08 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Sure. Do you want to do it? can you explain on what you consider 100%
> Free?
<tongue-in-cheek>What the FSF does you fool!</tongue-in-cheek> ;->
Seriously now, I don't know or think subjective -- or even if truly
objective -- suggestions can and should be made outside of not just
merely the Fedora board, but outside of many, community associations.
And that includes maybe including this other entity ... like the FSF
itself. ;->
What facilities, forums, etc... can Fedora advocates and/or contributors
tap to get this discussion rolling? Especially in a more open, and
probably more technical arena, to solve the real considerations that
some people will have.
I mean, even though I used the word "ignorant" -- and strongly feel it
applies when I used it (despite the lack of tact) -- we can't ignore
that there seems to be significant (majority?) of people who will feel
this way. We need an avenue to better explain the issues -- especially
since they go outside Fedora itself.
In other words, get a crapload of smarter and more civil people than
myself together and hash them out. There's got to be a series of both
marketing and possibly even technical solutions.
On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 13:40 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote:
> Rodrigo,
> Actually... I'd like to thank you for speaking up, especially about
> something you are clearly passionate about. Just because not everyone
> agrees with you 100% doesn't mean that you aren't being heard. Please,
> keep up the good work (and the good fight)!
The great thing about Freedom is also its greatest downfall, especially
in an ignorant majority. Not everything is about ignorant majority.
Basic social constructs themselves are about majority. Unfortunately,
technical specifics tend to be about the expertise that only applies to
a minority, and the ignorant majority must be careful not to let their
majority view become the self-fulfilling truth -- outside that
expertise. I see it regularly with engineering and law myself.
Freedom requires careful consideration, due process and analysis -- not
merely from an outsider, but as an insider, a stakeholder, someone who
has a point to make. We have to remain vigilant in not merely a
"stance," but our utmost consideration for the technical _specifics_ and
real issues -- from copyright to licensing to trademark to technical
ability or even just technical feasibility -- to implement that stance,
if possible. That's why it's very important not to merely say "the FSF
blah" but to put forth the concerned, technical argument and -- most
importantly -- technical _solution_ that implements it.
If you cannot provide a technical _solution_, then you must be
considerate of the processes _already_ in place to best deal with such
consideration, such due process, such "expertise" in moving forward.
And as it has been suggested in many ways in this thread now, if you do
_not_ like that still, then you are also _free_ to install your own
organization, your own due process, your own "expertise" into solving
the problem outside these existing processes. Otherwise, you accept the
existing processes as they are, and you either take the time and effort
to involve yourself in them, and its solution, or you decide to trust
those who have already taken your views -- which are rarely (if never)
unique -- into account and tried to accommodate them best.
On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 01:08 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Sure. Do you want to do it? can you explain on what you consider 100%
> Free?
<tongue-in-cheek>What the FSF does you fool!</tongue-in-cheek> ;->
Seriously now, I don't know or think subjective -- or even if truly
objective -- suggestions can and should be made outside of not just
merely the Fedora board, but outside of many, community associations.
And that includes maybe including this other entity ... like the FSF
itself. ;->
What facilities, forums, etc... can Fedora advocates and/or contributors
tap to get this discussion rolling? Especially in a more open, and
probably more technical arena, to solve the real considerations that
some people will have. Especially since it touches core design and
implements in the kernel itself, especially as how all parties address
firmware updates, run-time, etc... in drivers today.
I mean, even though I used the word "ignorant" -- and strongly feel it
applies when I used it (despite the lack of tact in doing so) -- we
can't ignore that there seems to be significant (majority?) of people
who will feel this way. We need an avenue to better explain the issues
-- especially since they go outside Fedora itself.
In other words, get a crapload of smarter and more civil people than
myself (since I'm the stupidest and most ignorant fool in the world --
let alone a very biased and land-locked/narrow-minded American engineer)
together and hash them out. There's got to be a series of both
marketing (and possibly even technical solutions) to address this. But
as I've pointed out, this is hardly Fedora on its own.
-- Bryan "really going to STFU now" Smith
--
Bryan J. Smith Professional, Technical Annoyance
mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com
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Fission Power: An Inconvenient Solution
16 years, 10 months
Linux.org: The Fedora 7 Year Itch
by Luya Tshimbalanga
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" A while back, after publishing a review praising a past version of
Fedora Core, I was chided by a reader who objected to my referring to
it as 'beta' software. In my mind, it was always understood that the
Fedora project was the test bed for Red Hat Enterprise Linux
<http://www.linux.org/dist/reviews/fedora7-2.html#>, but with the
latest versions, the project has been trying to get away from Fedora's
being identified with the word 'beta'. Well, I'm afraid I'm going to
have to say that I think Fedora 7 is clearly back to beta."
http://www.linux.org/dist/reviews/fedora7.html
Food for thought: Any operating system is in beta stage because they
will never be complete.
Luya
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16 years, 10 months
Infinite Freedom???
by Rodrigo Padula
Comments!!!
- FREE SOFTWARE DEFINITION - By Free Software Foundation
Free software is a matter of the users' freedom to run, copy,
distribute, study, change and improve the software. More precisely, it
refers to four kinds of freedom, for the users of the software:
* The freedom to run the program, for any purpose (freedom 0).
* The freedom to study how the program works, and adapt it to your
needs (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a precondition for this.
* The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor
(freedom 2).
* The freedom to improve the program, and release your improvements
to the public, so that the whole community benefits (freedom 3). Access
to the source code is a precondition for this.
These firmwares below affect us directly, affect our freedom!
- ipw2100-firmware-1.3-8.noarch.rpm Redistributable, no modification
permitted
- ipw2200-firmware-3.0-9.noarch.rpm Redistributable, no modification
permitted
- iwlwifi-firmware-2.14.3-2.noarch.rpm Redistributable, no modification
permitted
- zd1211-firmware-1.3-4.fc7.noarch.rpm GPL (hex dump, not source code)
A member of the FSF commented, "these firmwares are not free, if the
firmwares are not free, the software are not free!".
If fedora include non free software, we are not a 100% Free Distribution.
Where is the our INFINITE FREEDOM ?
What is the position of the project on non free firmwares?
ASS: Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira
www.projetofedora.org
16 years, 10 months
Max Spevack's interview on LWN
by Rahul Sundaram
Hi
"In what is surely one of the best interviews of the year, Fedora's Max
Spevack talks to LWN about the just released Fedora 7, the upcoming
changes in the project's development infrastructure, and the new
features in Fedora 8: "We're looking at a far less ambitious Fedora 8.
With so much new stuff in Fedora 7, we'd like to give all of our
infrastructure changes a chance to settle in and get some polish, and
also give some of the contributors who have been going non-stop on
Fedora for the last few months a development cycle that is a bit less
stressful. But that doesn't mean we don't have some things planned. The
best thing for people who are interested in Fedora 8 to do is look at
our Wiki, where we will be tracking potential features over the course
of the release cycle." Don't miss it"
http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20070618#news
Rahul
16 years, 10 months
