"If these comments seem to nitpick or damn with faint praise, they also
reflect the growing maturity of major distributions like Fedora. For the
most part, Fedora 7 is a polished and stable distribution that almost
anyone can use -- but it is by no means a revolutionary departure from
earlier releases. The trouble is that, these days, there is simply less
to say about most distributions -- and that, in itself, gives the lie to
any claims that GNU/Linux is not ready for the desktop."
This review has focused on virt-manager, revisor and package management
"The Linux distribution impresses with a variety of customization options."
"In addition to the structural changes that the Fedora project has made
to its software repository framework, the team has noticeably sped up
the distribution's Red Hat Package Manager/Yum package management
backend. Also, as we mentioned earlier, Fedora's graphical tool for
creating and managing virtual machines is much improved as well. For one
thing, the tool now lists idle VMs alongside running VMs, which is
something that only the system's command-line tool was capable of in
At first glance it seems to be a bit of a odd outlook to consider Fedora
as a competition to Sun but there comparisons are really directed
between opensolaris where the current project requires Sun employees to
commit anything into the distribution vs the direction of Fedora in
merging core and extras. A related blog is
Some interesting quotes from
"With its release of Fedora 7.0 last week, Red Hat has signalled that it
is acutely aware of the threat that Sun could pose to its market share
in the years ahead."
"...Red Hat has, thus far, not been half as bureaucratic in this area
but with the release of Fedora 7.0, the company has gone the extra step"
"..Another change in Red Hat's approach has been in its attitude to the
"Fedora 7 was released last week, a little bit behind schedule, with a
spate of new features, updates, and live CD installable "spins" of
Fedora in KDE and GNOME flavors. I found a lot of good in this release,
but a bug in the FireWire stack that attacked my external backup drive
made this release just a little shy of perfect."
One other comment that I forgot until I ate some lunch -
I think the vertical height of the banner needs to be a bit less ( or
the vertical height of the title graphics needs to be more). The two
vertical dimensions are a bit too much the same to my eye. By
increasing the vertical dimension difference, it would increase the
distinction of the messages imparted by the two graphics. You might
want to invoke the old Greek Golden Section rule which would make the
banner 84 pixels tall instead of 89.
I again took the liberty of editing your mock up -
I put yours in one Firefox tab and mine in the other and then clicked
back and forth between the tabs to see the difference.
Maybe too subtle of a change to be worth while.
Thanks again for listening,
> What do you think about having some promos/banners/etc that have very
> strict visual style guidelines
I think having some kind of guide is a good idea. Too strict of a
guide could make for promo graphics to look all the same. That would
be similar to seeing the same commercial on the telly over and over
again. Attention and impact are reduced. I think each banner should
use a similar treatment to images, a suggested color palette, maybe
even have each banner require a certain effect so that there is a
consistency across all of the graphics. However there does need to be
some individuality between all the promo graphics as well.
There is a need to draw attention to the promos the graphics are
stumping for. Unlike advertising banners where they want to steal
attention away from the page content, on the Fedora site the banners
need to be complementary to the page content, and not more important
than the page content.
> (eg must have a particular light-colored
> background and a particular (let's say light grey) foreground in this
Maybe the ability to pick from one of ( I'll pull a number out from
under my hat ) three backgrounds. Too many colors and you have a
circus. To me, the grey seems too bland. A light blue might be better ?
> See the updated new-mock-2 (and squint and pretend the dj promo is
> much much lighter :) ):
I like the idea of a column-type structure. That way you can have 5
one-column promos, fill all five slots with one important promo, or
mix and match. The changing sizes could help to keep repeat visitors
( or hits on subsequent pages by the same visitor ) visually interested.
As an aside, I think each Fedora release should have a branding
color. There are the colors that are used in the logo, which is the
basis of the main Fedora brand and the whole website design. One of
the things that makes the banner you did appealing is that it sneaks
in the teal-aqua-blue/green color from the background title graphic.
It creates a relationship on the page. If we were to assign that teal-
aqua-blue/green color as the branding color for F7, that would help
keep all the banner graphics ( or other F7 stuff ) hanging together
and support F7 as a "sub-brand". I guess that goes back to one of my
earlier suggestions about a color palette, or maybe it is the
background color for the promos instead of grey.
For F8, a different "secondary" color could be used to signify a
change, and to group all F8 promo graphics together as a unit.
Perhaps it is a color to the red side of blue instead of the green
side. F9 could move to a burnt orange, F10 a yellow-green ,etc.
> I think you were able to verbalize what
> was wrong with each mock really well. I was uncomfortable with each
> and not quite how to explain why;
I used to be a designer before I was kicked downstairs to work on
computer stuff instead ;)
Again, I hope my comments have helped and not hindered the birth
process of these banners.
We discussed the idea of doing rotating banners on the front of
fedoraproject.org, once we get over ourselves for the successful F7. ;)
The idea is, once every $TIME_PERIOD, we rotate the front page banner.
Ideas are proposed and vetted on this list (f-marketing-l), then kicked
over to the Art team for production. They drop them into a queue that
Infrastructure sets up, all around the self-service idea.
Before I go all Wiki on this idea and make a canonical page for it, is
it a good idea? Should we do it? Why not?
And my first proposed idea, from a Linux Watch quote of Max:
'Spevack concluded, "We'll advertise the most popular spins on Fedora on
the Fedora site. So, if someone created a very small distribution it
might be advertised as Damn Small Fedora Linux." This is a play on the
popular DSL (Damn Small Linux) distribution.'
The first rotated banner promotes either i) that effort (points to a
special 'popular spins' page), or ii) directly promotes one or more
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On Tue, 2007-06-05 at 12:02 +0300, Bogomil "Bogo" Shopov wrote:
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> Stefan Held wrote:
> > Am Dienstag, den 05.06.2007, 11:41 +0300 schrieb Bogomil
> >> Because Fedora is community driven distro. Ubuntu and suse
> >> community driven
> > LOL.
> Action, my friend actions. Suse (not OpenSuse) ans Ubuntu
depends a lot
> of theirs company sponsors, but NOT Fedora. This is community
> think. Please ask Ubuntu and/or SUSE developers for that and
> procedures to make anything. Those are NOT community driven
Please show us how you think Fedora is going to thrive as it
without Red Hat paying people that are a big part of Fedora
Novell and Canonical pay people that develop *open*Suse (!) and
respectively. What's the difference?
There may well be differences in the details, and Red Hat has a
different business model than for example Canonical, but let's
immature. Since Fedora was created by Red Hat in the first
not get into semantic discussions that end up being
other-distro-bashing, which is, correct me if I'm wrong, not
are looking for on this list.
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PS (I tried to send this earlier but somehow it was returned,
sorry if it is not in the right place of the thread)
Promoting respins does seem the best first target for banners.
What other items might be "promoted" ?
* Link to the known issues page for those seeking install/config help
* Announcements for important updates such as Firefox 184.108.40.206
* Release of the Weekly News
* Download number milestones ( 2 million served ! )
* FUDCons or other shows/ gatherings
* Why Free Software ?
Yes, these ideas may suck for various reasons,
however they might jostle loose some actual, good ideas from someone
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