Hi,
We have to review the complaints here and address them. If anyone wants to take a closer look, please do.
http://news.idg.no/cw/art.cfm?id=E800C1E1-17A4-0F78-316FA48755E1A1AB
"On the whole, Fedora is a solid Linux distribution that will probably serve you well for desktop usage. Red Hat can rightly claim extensive experience as a commercial Linux vendor; it practically invented the market. Installing Fedora is a good way to ensure an extensive repository of prebuilt software. The hardware support is right up there with any other user-friendly distribution.
But my experiences with trying a multiboot install make me leery of recommending it to anyone who wants to use it in a dual-boot environment. The distribution may be robust, but the installer needs to learn to play better with others. It's also a little too intimidating for nongeek users, so if you're going to get any less-experienced friends on Fedora, you might want to schedule an afternoon to help them out."
Rahul
On Wed, 2008-05-14 at 23:52 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Hi,
We have to review the complaints here and address them. If anyone wants to take a closer look, please do.
http://news.idg.no/cw/art.cfm?id=E800C1E1-17A4-0F78-316FA48755E1A1AB
"On the whole, Fedora is a solid Linux distribution that will probably serve you well for desktop usage. Red Hat can rightly claim extensive experience as a commercial Linux vendor; it practically invented the market. Installing Fedora is a good way to ensure an extensive repository of prebuilt software. The hardware support is right up there with any other user-friendly distribution.
But my experiences with trying a multiboot install make me leery of recommending it to anyone who wants to use it in a dual-boot environment. The distribution may be robust, but the installer needs to learn to play better with others. It's also a little too intimidating for nongeek users, so if you're going to get any less-experienced friends on Fedora, you might want to schedule an afternoon to help them out."
I'm confused by the article's premise. The author claims to be testing on the basis of whether a "newbie" could install Fedora, but he tests it on a system that is completely unrelated to that use case -- a previously multi-boot system with what sounds like several existing (or previously existing) Linux distributions.
Some of the errors he encounters are certainly bugs, and I've already seen some of these reported in other places. An example is the Anaconda error loop, which the author reports but did not file, although he filed another bug, so bravo there.
I think something our QA folks (Will et al.) should think about is a way to expose more details about the test configurations they use for banging on the installer. These could be exposed to the media for our Alpha or Beta test release, as well as our larger user base, to make sure that people are expanding on those configurations, rather than duplicating them endlessly to the exclusion of others.
2008/5/15 Paul W. Frields stickster@gmail.com:
I think something our QA folks (Will et al.) should think about is a way to expose more details about the test configurations they use for banging on the installer. These could be exposed to the media for our Alpha or Beta test release, as well as our larger user base, to make sure that people are expanding on those configurations, rather than duplicating them endlessly to the exclusion of others.
Our test matrix is available here:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestResults/Fedora9Install/FinalRelease
Admittedly, we need A LOT more detail on the tested hardware in these, but these are the high-level test cases that we use. Note the absence of dual-boot systems in there - that very probably is a gap in our test coverage, but all of these are manual test cases, since we currently have no viable automated test harness, and every one of these tests take time. A dual-boot test would take even more time (which is, unfortunately, a finite resource) A lot of testing is also done in KVM/QEMU/VMWare (yes, that's me using proprietary software, but given our usage profile, I think that it's essential test coverage), and not on real hardware. I know that one of the proposals that we were floating in the QA team was requiring smolt profiles for each test case, so that we could tell how it was tested and that the test succeeded. We'll probably be talking more about this internally in QA in the future, no decision has yet been made to my knowledge (but I think it's an excellent idea).
We have here 2 bugs who is not been seen as a advantage for Fedora. Some users are angry, and Ubuntu users love these problems to show that our distro has bugs in the release too. The first one is 3 versions old (yes, Fedora 6 problem): https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=221336
Second, this is not a bug, is a decision made and users who has Synaptic Touchpad are angry with that: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=439386
Questions, this problems should be fixed, but when?
Cheers,
Rodrigo Menezes
--- "Paul W. Frields" stickster@gmail.com escreveu:
On Wed, 2008-05-14 at 23:52 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Hi,
We have to review the complaints here and address
them. If anyone wants
to take a closer look, please do.
http://news.idg.no/cw/art.cfm?id=E800C1E1-17A4-0F78-316FA48755E1A1AB
"On the whole, Fedora is a solid Linux
distribution that will probably
serve you well for desktop usage. Red Hat can
rightly claim extensive
experience as a commercial Linux vendor; it
practically invented the
market. Installing Fedora is a good way to ensure
an extensive
repository of prebuilt software. The hardware
support is right up there
with any other user-friendly distribution.
But my experiences with trying a multiboot install
make me leery of
recommending it to anyone who wants to use it in a
dual-boot
environment. The distribution may be robust, but
the installer needs to
learn to play better with others. It's also a
little too intimidating
for nongeek users, so if you're going to get any
less-experienced
friends on Fedora, you might want to schedule an
afternoon to help them
out."
I'm confused by the article's premise. The author claims to be testing on the basis of whether a "newbie" could install Fedora, but he tests it on a system that is completely unrelated to that use case -- a previously multi-boot system with what sounds like several existing (or previously existing) Linux distributions.
Some of the errors he encounters are certainly bugs, and I've already seen some of these reported in other places. An example is the Anaconda error loop, which the author reports but did not file, although he filed another bug, so bravo there.
I think something our QA folks (Will et al.) should think about is a way to expose more details about the test configurations they use for banging on the installer. These could be exposed to the media for our Alpha or Beta test release, as well as our larger user base, to make sure that people are expanding on those configurations, rather than duplicating them endlessly to the exclusion of others.
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Rodrigo Menezes wrote:
We have here 2 bugs who is not been seen as a advantage for Fedora. Some users are angry, and Ubuntu users love these problems to show that our distro has bugs in the release too. The first one is 3 versions old (yes, Fedora 6 problem): https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=221336
Second, this is not a bug, is a decision made and users who has Synaptic Touchpad are angry with that: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=439386
Questions, this problems should be fixed, but when?
Post to fedora-devel list about this. That's a much better list for such discussions. Also other distributions aren't really in a state to be throwing stones right now. I could point out their bug trackers too but that would be scooping down way too low.
Rahul
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