Sorry for breaking the thread and top posting w my awful mobile client....
Do we have stats showing any difference in traffic to community vs user oriented content?
I'd argue planet.fpo is the contributor version.... and magazine is the user version. I liked Paul's idea of having the default on the front page being user focused content instead of all. An idea is that the contributor focused stuff could get posted to planet via fedora mags rss feed which links back to fedoramag, but not promoted as the user content is.
I think youre going to get a better site overall by making a choice rather than straddling the two audiences. There is such a dearth of Fedora user-focused content in general I really think better to make fedoramag for them since they need it. You could better serve contributors with some curation on planet.fpo (display planet.fpo curated by default?) or by getting individuals already listed on planet to make more better posts. (And the hubs, when they are ready :) )
Re underground silo.... what kinds of critical contributor content are you most concerned about? would planet.fpo not serve that content well?
If the concern is that planet posts are fleeting, could we stand up another wp - very informal - for the contrib focused stuff... but no front end, brand identity, or anything, just an rss feed to be slurped into planet but the posts / comments / stats would be stored in the wp?
~m
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<div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Matthew Miller mattdm@fedoraproject.org </div><div>Date:03/10/2015 7:04 PM (GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: Fedora Marketing team marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org </div><div>Subject: Re: New Magazine theme </div><div> </div>On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 05:55:39PM -0400, Ryan Lerch wrote:
It does. One of my concerns has been the invasion of inward-looking Fedora community articles, which seem out of place for appealing to a broad audience. (e.g. "What's FESCo?") At first the idea of a separate site appeals to me.
I really like this idea. It would allow us to have select content about the community on the user-facing site, with a link to the post on the community-focussed site.
So, what I was going for in suggesting the user/contributor categories kind of _is_ like having a mini separate site, like this suggestion but with a lot less overhead both in systems administration and in blog administration. A whole 'nother site would double the workload, and we're largely depending on (awesome — thanks!) volunteer efforts for this as it is.
I'm also concerned with too strong of a divide meaning that the important contributor-focused articles end up in yet another underground silo somewhere... we've had a hard enough time building up the magazine as a place to look.
On 03/10/2015 10:46 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
Sorry for breaking the thread and top posting w my awful mobile client....
Do we have stats showing any difference in traffic to community vs user oriented content?
Here are the top 10 posts of all time:
It’s Here! Announcing Fedora 21! -- 38,199 GNOME on Wayland in Fedora 21 -- 34,665 Shellshock update: bash packages that resolve CVE-2014-6271 and CVE-2014-7169 available -- 34,417 Shellshock: How does it actually work? -- 30,613 Upgrading to Fedora 21 Workstation from Fedora 20 -- 19,771 Running GNOME 3.12 on Fedora 20. -- 16,368 Rejuvenate your Fedora desktop with Moka -- 13,477 Start developing Android apps on Fedora in 10 minutes -- 12,344 What’s new in the graphics stack in Fedora 21? -- 10,583 See what’s coming in Fedora 22 Workstation -- 9,783
full list here: http://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/admin.php?page=stats&view=postviews&a...
--ryanlerch
I'd argue planet.fpo is the contributor version.... and magazine is the user version. I liked Paul's idea of having the default on the front page being user focused content instead of all. An idea is that the contributor focused stuff could get posted to planet via fedora mags rss feed which links back to fedoramag, but not promoted as the user content is.
I think youre going to get a better site overall by making a choice rather than straddling the two audiences. There is such a dearth of Fedora user-focused content in general I really think better to make fedoramag for them since they need it. You could better serve contributors with some curation on planet.fpo (display planet.fpo curated by default?) or by getting individuals already listed on planet to make more better posts. (And the hubs, when they are ready :) )
Re underground silo.... what kinds of critical contributor content are you most concerned about? would planet.fpo not serve that content well?
If the concern is that planet posts are fleeting, could we stand up another wp - very informal - for the contrib focused stuff... but no front end, brand identity, or anything, just an rss feed to be slurped into planet but the posts / comments / stats would be stored in the wp?
~m
Sent from my phone, which is not an iphone.
-------- Original message -------- From: Matthew Miller Date:03/10/2015 7:04 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Fedora Marketing team Subject: Re: New Magazine theme
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 05:55:39PM -0400, Ryan Lerch wrote:
It does. One of my concerns has been the invasion of inward-looking Fedora community articles, which seem out of place for appealing to a broad audience. (e.g. "What's FESCo?") At first the idea of a separate site appeals to me.
I really like this idea. It would allow us to have select content about the community on the user-facing site, with a link to the post on the community-focussed site.
So, what I was going for in suggesting the user/contributor categories kind of _is_ like having a mini separate site, like this suggestion but with a lot less overhead both in systems administration and in blog administration. A whole 'nother site would double the workload, and we're largely depending on (awesome — thanks!) volunteer efforts for this as it is.
I'm also concerned with too strong of a divide meaning that the important contributor-focused articles end up in yet another underground silo somewhere... we've had a hard enough time building up the magazine as a place to look.
-- Matthew Miller mattdm@fedoraproject.org Fedora Project Leader -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org List info or to change your subscription: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 10:46:58PM -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
Sorry for breaking the thread and top posting w my awful mobile client....
Do we have stats showing any difference in traffic to community vs user oriented content?
I'd argue planet.fpo is the contributor version.... and magazine is the user version. I liked Paul's idea of having the default on the front page being user focused content instead of all. An idea is that the contributor focused stuff could get posted to planet via fedora mags rss feed which links back to fedoramag, but not promoted as the user content is.
This is a good idea to consider, also. And +1000 to the Planet point you made. I talked about Planet in another post from a different POV (content is kind of a firehose without grouping or audience definition) but I think we may be in agreement.
I think youre going to get a better site overall by making a choice rather than straddling the two audiences. There is such a dearth of Fedora user-focused content in general I really think better to make fedoramag for them since they need it. You could better serve contributors with some curation on planet.fpo (display planet.fpo curated by default?) or by getting individuals already listed on planet to make more better posts. (And the hubs, when they are ready :) )
+1 here too.
Re underground silo.... what kinds of critical contributor content are you most concerned about? would planet.fpo not serve that content well?
If the concern is that planet posts are fleeting, could we stand up another wp - very informal - for the contrib focused stuff... but no front end, brand identity, or anything, just an rss feed to be slurped into planet but the posts / comments / stats would be stored in the wp?
This is an interesting idea; does it mean that we would route *only* contributor-focused articles to Planet? I actually think that could be smart to improve Planet relevance/coherence.
On 03/11/2015 11:44 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
I think youre going to get a better site overall by making a choice rather than straddling the two audiences. There is such a dearth of Fedora user-focused content in general I really think better to make fedoramag for them since they need it. You could better serve contributors with some curation on planet.fpo (display planet.fpo curated by default?) or by getting individuals already listed on planet to make more better posts. (And the hubs, when they are ready :) )
+1 here too.
FWIW I brought up the dilemma between user and contributor that we're talking about here to Rikki Endsley, who has a ton of experience as a magazine publish & managing editor for a bunch of publications like Ubuntu User, Linux Pro Magazine, SysAdmin magazine, etc. ... I thought with her experience she'd probably run into similar dilemmas and might have some good advice / words of wisdom.
She agreed that having the magazine focus on one audience would make it stronger and that Fedora's contributors don't really need a magazine - she recommended focusing on howto articles, tutorials, lists of best apps, tips/tricks, updating advice and that kind of content with a strong user focus.
Re underground silo.... what kinds of critical contributor content are you most concerned about? would planet.fpo not serve that content well?
If the concern is that planet posts are fleeting, could we stand up another wp - very informal - for the contrib focused stuff... but no front end, brand identity, or anything, just an rss feed to be slurped into planet but the posts / comments / stats would be stored in the wp?
This is an interesting idea; does it mean that we would route *only* contributor-focused articles to Planet? I actually think that could be smart to improve Planet relevance/coherence.
It could mean that :) If we did that I'd suggest maybe a prominent link to Fedora Magazine from Planet somewhere (so the contributors know where to point their friends who use Fedora, and also so if a user ends up at Planet Fedora they find a place that is more helpful for them?)
~m
On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 11:58:33AM -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
She agreed that having the magazine focus on one audience would make it stronger and that Fedora's contributors don't really need a magazine - she recommended focusing on howto articles, tutorials, lists of best apps, tips/tricks, updating advice and that kind of content with a strong user focus.
I agree that this seems awesome. However, we need a lot more people generating that kind of content to get to that point.
On 03/11/2015 11:58 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
FWIW I brought up the dilemma between user and contributor that we're talking about here to Rikki Endsley, who has a ton of experience as a magazine publish & managing editor for a bunch of publications like Ubuntu User, Linux Pro Magazine, SysAdmin magazine, etc. ... I thought with her experience she'd probably run into similar dilemmas and might have some good advice / words of wisdom.
She agreed that having the magazine focus on one audience would make it stronger and that Fedora's contributors don't really need a magazine - she recommended focusing on howto articles, tutorials, lists of best apps, tips/tricks, updating advice and that kind of content with a strong user focus.
Hrm. I'm going to disagree here. We have a wide and diverse community that (I feel) benefits from having content for contributors as well as users on Fedora Magazine.
I guess my question here is, if I come to Fedora Magazine with a contributor-focused article - is it going to be turned away? Traditional publishing structures have value, but we're also lacking the same incentives (e.g. money) for writing content that a publication like Linux Pro Magazine has.
Is the focus being proposed here going to lead to more or less material being written about Fedora?
Re underground silo.... what kinds of critical contributor content are you most concerned about? would planet.fpo not serve that content well?
Planet.fpo does not serve the same function as the magazine well.
Best,
jzb
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 10:46:58PM -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
I'd argue planet.fpo is the contributor version.... and magazine is the user version. I liked Paul's idea of having the default on the front page being user focused content instead of all. An idea is that
planet.fpo is kind of a firehose. We need something a little more like devel-announce list to planet's devel list. (Well, except planet isn't even as focused as the devel list.)
planet to make more better posts. (And the hubs, when they are ready :) )
Yeah, it may be that the hub is a solution there.
Re underground silo.... what kinds of critical contributor content are you most concerned about? would planet.fpo not serve that content well?
I don't think it _has_ been serving that well. I'm thinking largely of the work to explain and socialize the various Fedora.next ideas, and similar future things which will be coming out of the Council. Things which we'd like everyone in the project to be aware of.
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