Fwd: Proposing fedora to govt dept

[Vidur Mittal]

HI,

I am trying to give presentation of FEDORA to few of the govt. deptt.. I am
trying to make a presentation over fedora i want all the team to come
forward and help in this regards.The points which i am thinking to include
in presentation are as follows:

1. Objective
2. Benefits
3.Comparison between Windows and Linux
4.Comparison between different flavour of Unix
5.Why use fedora
6.A short introduction of redhat and fedora project
7.Help and support of fedora.

Now i want every one to come and help me in this regards so that i can
complete the presentation. Please also guide me that i have included all the
point for the presentation.
Thanks in advance
-- 
With Best Regards
Vidur Mittal
Meerut

Proposing fedora to govt dept

[nihed mbarek]

Hi,
you can use presentations available in this link
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Presentations

2008/8/7 Vidur Mittal <vidurmittal(a)gmail.com&gt;

>  HI,
>
>  I am trying to give presentation of FEDORA to few of the govt. deptt.. I am
>  trying to make a presentation over fedora i want all the team to come
>  forward and help in this regards.The points which i am thinking to include
>  in presentation are as follows:
>
>  1. Objective
>  2. Benefits
>  3.Comparison between Windows and Linux
>  4.Comparison between different flavour of Unix
>  5.Why use fedora
>  6.A short introduction of redhat and fedora project
>  7.Help and support of fedora.
>
>  Now i want every one to come and help me in this regards so that i can
>  complete the presentation. Please also guide me that i have included all the
>  point for the presentation.
>  Thanks in advance
>  --
>  With Best Regards
>  Vidur Mittal
>  Meerut
>
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[Nicu Buculei]

Vidur Mittal wrote:
>  
>  I am trying to give presentation of FEDORA to few of the govt. deptt.. I 
>  am trying to make a presentation over fedora i want all the team to come 
>  forward and help in this regards.The points which i am thinking to 
>  include in presentation are as follows: 
First of all, are *you* sure Fedora is the best tool for that job?

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[Paul W. Frields]

On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 14:32 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote:
>  Vidur Mittal wrote:
>  > 
>  > I am trying to give presentation of FEDORA to few of the govt. deptt.. I 
>  > am trying to make a presentation over fedora i want all the team to come 
>  > forward and help in this regards.The points which i am thinking to 
>  > include in presentation are as follows:
>  
>  First of all, are *you* sure Fedora is the best tool for that job? 
Right.  What are the use cases this government department wants to
cover?  Do these use cases accommodate a fast-moving, leading-edge Linux
distribution, or are they better off using a slower-paced, extended
lifecycle support model?

While Fedora is incredibly flexible and can help solve a huge number of
problems, it is not always the best tool for every IT job.  That's why
distributions like RHEL exist.  It's important for anyone who wants to
stand up in front of an audience to "pitch" Fedora to know exactly what
the differences are, and articulate clearly (to themselves and others)
what's right for a potential user or customer.  Otherwise you risk
actually doing the *opposite* of good marketing!

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RHEL 

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Proposing fedora to govt dept

[Nayyar Ahmad]

2008/8/7 Vidur Mittal <vidurmittal(a)gmail.com&gt;

>  HI,
>
>  I am trying to give presentation of FEDORA to few of the govt. deptt.. I am
>  trying to make a presentation over fedora i want all the team to come
>  forward and help in this regards.The points which i am thinking to include
>  in presentation are as follows:
>  
I once did this for our Ministry of Finance's clients machines, although i
was successful, we replace more than 3000 windows clients country wide with
fedora, the biggest problem i had to face to convince management was
Fedora's unstable image "as per word of mouth" as compare to RHEL or other
enterprise linux/unix. second they were having fear against the short life
cycle.

you have to first keep in mind the use of machines, whether you are
proposing them for server machines or clients, what level of critical jobs
they are doing on those machines?...it would be better if you suggest them
use enterprise linux RHEL etc... "for server room".

moreover, if they are running some licensed software/application such as
database or business suite, do that support fedora on client/server machines
?

PS: i do not want to discourage you, but you have to be honest before
recommending something.


>  1. Objective
>  2. Benefits
>  3.Comparison between Windows and Linux
>  4.Comparison between different flavour of Unix
>  5.Why use fedora
>  6.A short introduction of redhat and fedora project
>  7.Help and support of fedora.
>
>  Now i want every one to come and help me in this regards so that i can
>  complete the presentation. Please also guide me that i have included all the
>  point for the presentation.
>  Thanks in advance
>  --
>  With Best Regards
>  Vidur Mittal
>  Meerut
>
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Proposing fedora to govt dept

[Vidur Mittal]

HI,
Thanks for the kind response
I have understand the need of the dept. What my objective is that i will be
recommending it as the client , I have planned few things from the valuable
inputs which i have gotten from all:
1 if we talk about short life span of fedora I will suggest them to upgrade
the machine at regular intervals using yum it will not only solve the
problem regarding the life span but would be as comparable to windows
update.
2.I am also keeping in mind while recommending i will be getting support
from my friends who will take care for the training session of fedora they
will take 1 month training for them so that they are easily comfortable to
use fedora.
3. Regarding server room i would recommend RHEL.

 Kindly guide me further so that I can make good strategy for marketing from
all the valuable inputs which I would be getting .

Regards
Vidur Mittal

2008/8/7 Nayyar Ahmad <nayyares(a)gmail.com&gt;:

>  2008/8/7 Vidur Mittal <vidurmittal(a)gmail.com&gt;
>
> > HI,
> >
> > I am trying to give presentation of FEDORA to few of the govt. deptt.. I
> > am trying to make a presentation over fedora i want all the team to come
> > forward and help in this regards.The points which i am thinking to include
> > in presentation are as follows:
> >
>
>  I once did this for our Ministry of Finance's clients machines, although i
>  was successful, we replace more than 3000 windows clients country wide with
>  fedora, the biggest problem i had to face to convince management was
>  Fedora's unstable image "as per word of mouth" as compare to RHEL or other
>  enterprise linux/unix. second they were having fear against the short life
>  cycle.
>
>  you have to first keep in mind the use of machines, whether you are
>  proposing them for server machines or clients, what level of critical jobs
>  they are doing on those machines?...it would be better if you suggest them
>  use enterprise linux RHEL etc... "for server room".
>
>  moreover, if they are running some licensed software/application such as
>  database or business suite, do that support fedora on client/server machines
>  ?
>
>  PS: i do not want to discourage you, but you have to be honest before
>  recommending something.
>
>
> >
> > 1. Objective
> > 2. Benefits
> > 3.Comparison between Windows and Linux
> > 4.Comparison between different flavour of Unix
> > 5.Why use fedora
> > 6.A short introduction of redhat and fedora project
> > 7.Help and support of fedora.
> >
> > Now i want every one to come and help me in this regards so that i can
> > complete the presentation. Please also guide me that i have included all the
> > point for the presentation.
> > Thanks in advance
> > --
> >
> > --
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> > Fedora-marketing-list(a)redhat.com
> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
> >
>
>
>
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>
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[Paul W. Frields]

On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 21:47 +0530, Vidur Mittal wrote:
>  HI,
>  Thanks for the kind response
>  I have understand the need of the dept. What my objective is that i
>  will be recommending it as the client , I have planned few things from
>  the valuable inputs which i have gotten from all:
>  1 if we talk about short life span of fedora I will suggest them to
>  upgrade the machine at regular intervals using yum it will not only
>  solve the problem regarding the life span but would be as comparable
>  to windows update. 
Yes, but is that really a workable solution?  The short life span and
frequent updates are usually a *problem* for most locations that want a
long-term solution.  Plus, Fedora is only updated actively for 13
months.  That means that 13 months after having Fedora 10 installed,
every machine will have to be upgraded to either Fedora 11 or Fedora 12.
Does that seem like something this department's IT staff is going to
want to do?  I know the answer for the office where I used to work would
be an emphatic "no."

I'm the last person to try and convince people *not* to use Fedora.
It's a great platform for people who always want the latest and greatest
Linux software wrapped up in a manageable platform.  But that
description often does not fit a group that's looking for a long-term,
"set and forget" solution.

I would not be asking "How can I fit Fedora into this office?"  That
seems like a recipe for disaster.  What you should be asking -- and what
only you can answer -- is, "What are this department's needs, and how
can Fedora meet them?"

Maybe you can tell us what those needs and requirements are.

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[Nayyar Ahmad]

2008/8/7 Vidur Mittal <vidurmittal(a)gmail.com&gt;

>  HI,
>  Thanks for the kind response
>  I have understand the need of the dept. What my objective is that i will be
>  recommending it as the client , I have planned few things from the valuable
>  inputs which i have gotten from all:
>  1 if we talk about short life span of fedora I will suggest them to upgrade
>  the machine at regular intervals using yum it will not only solve the
>  problem regarding the life span but would be as comparable to windows
>  update.
>  
For fedora update in our case we did local yum repo. mirror, because in my
case the clients were on Intranet, so we made our own mirror, second you
have to check whether there are some devices/equipment that is attached to
clients, e.g. Camra/Scaner/Printer etc...although installing most of them
are not an issue for fedora, but still you have to check whether they are
compatible with Fedora?

>  2.I am also keeping in mind while recommending i will be getting support
>  from my friends who will take care for the training session of fedora they
>  will take 1 month training for them so that they are easily comfortable to
>  use fedora.
>  
Training is nice idea, but before training you have to check it out...what
level of end user you got there...e.g. they only use browser + Office etc...
or they are involved in more intense work...later you can plan a targetted
training....


>  3. Regarding server room i would recommend RHEL.
>  
check out their budget...in my case i would even suggest them CentOS... ;)

>   Kindly guide me further so that I can make good strategy for marketing
>  from all the valuable inputs which I would be getting .
>  
It would be better if you make a list of their need "what they are doing on
windows" & then make a list of replacement you have in fedora/linux....later
when you give them presentation you can easily get them....



>  Regards
>  Vidur Mittal
>
>  2008/8/7 Nayyar Ahmad <nayyares(a)gmail.com&gt;:
>
> >
> >
> > 2008/8/7 Vidur Mittal <vidurmittal(a)gmail.com&gt;
> >
> >> HI,
> >>
> >> I am trying to give presentation of FEDORA to few of the govt. deptt.. I
> >> am trying to make a presentation over fedora i want all the team to come
> >> forward and help in this regards.The points which i am thinking to include
> >> in presentation are as follows:
> >>
> >
> > I once did this for our Ministry of Finance's clients machines, although i
> > was successful, we replace more than 3000 windows clients country wide with
> > fedora, the biggest problem i had to face to convince management was
> > Fedora's unstable image "as per word of mouth" as compare to RHEL or
> other
> > enterprise linux/unix. second they were having fear against the short life
> > cycle.
> >
> > you have to first keep in mind the use of machines, whether you are
> > proposing them for server machines or clients, what level of critical jobs
> > they are doing on those machines?...it would be better if you suggest them
> > use enterprise linux RHEL etc... "for server room".
> >
> > moreover, if they are running some licensed software/application such as
> > database or business suite, do that support fedora on client/server machines
> > ?
> >
> > PS: i do not want to discourage you, but you have to be honest before
> > recommending something.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> 1. Objective
> >> 2. Benefits
> >> 3.Comparison between Windows and Linux
> >> 4.Comparison between different flavour of Unix
> >> 5.Why use fedora
> >> 6.A short introduction of redhat and fedora project
> >> 7.Help and support of fedora.
> >>
> >> Now i want every one to come and help me in this regards so that i can
> >> complete the presentation. Please also guide me that i have included all the
> >> point for the presentation.
> >> Thanks in advance
> >> --
> >>
> >> --
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> >> Fedora-marketing-list(a)redhat.com
> >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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Proposing fedora to govt dept

[Sreeram Vasudevan]

Hi vidur,
Greetings
Once you are through your presentation, If can help you with corrections and
editing.And I suggest you to keep the major details such as the introduction
objectives very crisp and clear.In my view point you need to shuffle your
order of contents..I mean, Comp b/w linux and win should follow the
objective.And the benefits are actually a part of your "Why use Fedora".Try
to avoid redundancy.Use attractive sideheadings as the govt offices
generally pay heed to appearance as compared to the content comparatively.
good luck..If I may b of any help 2 u, feel free to drop me a mail.


2008/8/7 Vidur Mittal <vidurmittal(a)gmail.com&gt;

>  HI,
>
>  I am trying to give presentation of FEDORA to few of the govt. deptt.. I am
>  trying to make a presentation over fedora i want all the team to come
>  forward and help in this regards.The points which i am thinking to include
>  in presentation are as follows:
>
>  1. Objective
>  2. Benefits
>  3.Comparison between Windows and Linux
>  4.Comparison between different flavour of Unix
>  5.Why use fedora
>  6.A short introduction of redhat and fedora project
>  7.Help and support of fedora.
>
>  Now i want every one to come and help me in this regards so that i can
>  complete the presentation. Please also guide me that i have included all the
>  point for the presentation.
>  Thanks in advance
>  --
>  With Best Regards
>  Vidur Mittal
>  Meerut
>
>  --
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>  Fedora-marketing-list(a)redhat.com
>  https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
>  


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Sriram :-)